Innova discs that fly like these Discraft discs?

[stpitner]

To date I've thrown almost every driver that Innova has to offer.  Of course every single one of them acts differently.  I'm looking into picking up some discraft discs (in part because of the Discraft-only CTP's and just because I want to try out discraft stuff), and for those of you who have thrown these Discraft discs, what Innova disc can they be compared to?  Or can some of them not be compared to anything at all?

ESP Surge
Z Avenger
Z Predator - I was told this was like a Starfire
Z Wildcat
Z Crush

I don't remember where I read it, but I thought I was told Surge was maybe in between Wraith and TeeRex?  I know that the Cyclone is similar to a TeeBird-L or Gateway Sabre (and it's actually thrown very much like the Innova Ace too).

I know that it will be hard for people to agree on what disc it's really like because we all throw differently, but it will at least give me some sort of idea.  I throw primarily LHBH.  I've just started learning how to throw a controlled side arm less than 100'.  I haven't made it to the point where I'm throwing for distance on that yet.

If you know other comparison's (like the Flick or Venom) feel free to let me know.  It's the list above that I'm looking at buying currently though.

Thanks!
Scott

[Bruce Brakel]

My opinion

ESP Surge - Between Wraith and Starfire
Z Avenger - T-Birdish
Z Predator - The most overstable of the five.  Maybe Firebirdish
Z Wildcat - The flippiest of the bunch - Valk-like?
Z Crush - Orcish

Other opinions will be different.  Often what disc is most like another disc is very specific to the way a person throws and the sample of those discs they've thrown.

[MDR_3000]

Surge - Wraith
Z Avenger - more overstable Orc
Z Predator - Firebird w/ more glide
Z Wildcat - Valk
Z Crush - Champ Beast

I think whoever told you a Predator was like a Starfire must have just come back from the 5 O'clock Free Crack Giveaway.

[DougEDawg]

I disagree with the Z-Wildcat being like a Valkerie.  It is like a Valk in the lower grade of plastic, but in Z it is very stable.  Hard to flip.  Kinda of like a little less stable Firebird.

[Bruce Brakel]

This is where different throwers can have legit differences of opinion.  For me Z-Wildcats were too flippy but Crushes were just right.  I've thrown Champ Valks and for me those were just as flippy as Wildcats.  If you throw them at a different speed or with different rotational velocity, maybe you see differences.  For me Beasts were too flippy also, but I don't know if those were the original Beasts or the newer L-Beasts. 

I don't think there are necessarily right and wrong answers.  Maybe the three Valks I grabbed that day were all from a flippy run, or maybe my crappy form and worn out parts make them fly differently. 

[maa4208]

I think the Predator is like a Monster.....

[Bruce Brakel]

Mark Ellis just got on the Discraft team.  He has replaced his Firebirds with Predators. 

Mark's throwing plastic was a primo collection of discs you cannot buy, like FX Firebirds and those $200 Rocs, which he got for below retail prices.  He was asking me not so long ago if I knew how the whole e-bay thing works, before I knew he had joined the team.  Now I'm putting 2 and 2 together.