Ratings & Divisions

[damonshort]

Are X-Tiers rated? If a tournament is an XB-Tier do you get a rating or just points?

For example, the Pickle Open was an XB tier and was not factored into the ratings.

Pickle Open has been X-tier for as long as I've played it, but 05 was the first year it wasn't rated. Don't know what the deal is.

[Bruce Brakel]

Why is it an X-tier?

[damonshort]

Why is it an X-tier?

Special rules - there are various 'OB' circles at strategic spots near most baskets. If you land there or go 'normal' OB, your next shot has to be with your off-hand. No stroke penalty. PDGA had no 'issue' with it before this last time, apparently.

[Bruce Brakel]

Last year they announced in some obscure document that they were no longer going to rate X-tiers, and they were going to limit X-tiers to doubles, match play and team competitions.  Maybe they remembered half of that?

[damonshort]

Last year they announced in some obscure document that they were no longer going to rate X-tiers, and they were going to limit X-tiers to doubles, match play and team competitions. Maybe they remembered half of that?

nice of them to hide it.

[can't putt]

My understanding was that the dropping of rounds only happens to new rounds before they go into your rating.  I don't think rounds get dropped retroactively, or that included rounds are dropped later on if your rating goes up.

It turns out that previous included rounds that are less than one year old are dropped if your average goes up.

[Dan Michler]

My understanding was that the dropping of rounds only happens to new rounds before they go into your rating.  I don't think rounds get dropped retroactively, or that included rounds are dropped later on if your rating goes up.

It turns out that previous included rounds that are less than one year old are dropped if your average goes up.

Yes that is true.  And it goes the other way too.  If something is currently dropped from my rating because it is over 100 points below my average, but then my average goes down and that round is now less than 100 below the average, it then is no longer dropped.  So a round can go from dropped to included, or from included to dropped.  And if you have more than 20 rounds in the last year then only rounds from the last year before your most recent rated round are included in your rating.

[can't putt]

Another piece of the ratings calculation puzzle, from the PDGA forums:

I checked with Roger and the reason your rating seems higher than it should is the three oldest rounds were on a 24-hole course and are weighted accordingly. No rounds get double weighted with fewer than 8 rounds. Here's the math:

RR H Weight
881 x 18 = 15858
943 x 18 = 16974
946 x 18 = 17028
891 x 18 = 16038
951 x 24 = 22824
997 x 24 = 23928
974 x 24 = 23376
SUM = 144 136026

136026 / 144 = 944.625

(emphasis added)

Maybe in 10 years I'll finally have enough information to know how ratings are actually calculated. 

[can't putt]

Slowly, still more information on the ratings calculation comes to light:

The 2.5SD or 100pt drop calculation is done before double weighting the most recent rounds. So, it's possible to have a regular average of 954 before double weighting to get 963, especially for fast improving players and those with fewer rounds.

This is at odds with what I was told a year and a half ago.

[Bruce Brakel]

When I was on the board we decided to keep the ratings process obscure so that it would remain the PDGA's thing.  Looks like they are succeeding at that at least.  This is all you really need to know:

Lowest score gets the prizes.  Most fun wins. 

[can't putt]

Lowest score gets the prizes.  Most fun wins. 

Wiser words have never been written.

[Bruce Brakel]

I roughed up some ratings for myself at Bowling Green based on last year's SSAs.  I'm thinking I shot around 920, 960, 980 and 960, in that order, more or less.  The 980 was a pool hot round and one of the 960s was a stroke off the pool hot round so those ratings are probably close.  If I shot a 960, Kelsey shot a 960.   She tied me that round.   

My "double weight eight" sanctioned rounds going into the next ratings update will have averaged 945.  I guess I can kiss my Intermediate rating goodbye.    

Looks like Open Half-In for me at the IOSeries. 

[Bruce Brakel]

I think I'll make IOS #1 my final bow in intermediate.  But I could be wrong about the ratings. 

I'll play in whatever Saturday division I can play in.  It works best for me to play Saturday. 

[Bruce Brakel]

When I was on the board we decided to keep the ratings process obscure so that it would remain the PDGA's thing.  Looks like they are succeeding at that at least.  This is all you really need to know:

Lowest score gets the prizes.  Most fun wins. 

This is the bit about ratings I'm always trying to remember:

At least five propagators who are players with at least 800 ratings based on at least 8 rounds on a layout of at least 13 holes. Only three props are needed if the same course layout is played twice under what the TD deems similar conditons in the AM and PM. Plus, if a layout has been played by more than enough props in another round, that same layout could be played again even with no props in another round if the weather remains the same. Their unofficial ratings won't show up online for that round but they will get official ratings when processed.

[Jon Brakel]

New ratings are out today. Looks like Maddisen is the most improved Brakel...might be most improved club member. She moved up 38 points.

[DiscGolfSchodt]

UP 4 

[discpro99]

UP 5 

[DiscGolfSchodt]

UP 5 

[discpro99]

UP 5 

Sorry i thought i was up 5 also but it was only 3 when i looked. Finally broke the 940 bar.

[stpitner]

hey cool - up 4!  that was unexpected.  Still proudly AM4 lol