2007 Worlds Qualification

[CEValkyrie]

I've had quite a few players asking if they would qualify for Am Worlds in 2007. Attached are the qualifying standards for 2006. You can get a pretty good idea of what you have to do to get in or not.

[CEValkyrie]

Pro Worlds

[CEValkyrie]

Am Worlds

[CEValkyrie]

If those standards stay the same there are almost 60 ams in IL that have over 1000 points.

[Chainmeister]

Thanks for posting Brett.  Just this afternoon I was searching for that info on the PDGA website.  I turn 49 this year so its grandmasters next.  Even I can't blow this one.  It looks like it only takes 100 points and I have played enough to qualify to play in Milwaukee.  Can't wait!  July 23-28, 2007.

[Bruce Brakel]

The point minimum might go up or down.  They work backwards to arrive at that number.  How many is a full field?  How many should we invite to be pretty sure we can accomodate everyone who accepts an invitation?  How many points is that in each division? 

Usually they don't fill and plenty of players get in from the waiting list.  I think the huge numbers of Illinois players who want to attend may change that scenario for 2007. 

[tacimala]

Looks like I need to get in lots of sanctioned events between now and the end of the year!

[CEValkyrie]

Tim posted in another thread so I figured i'd bump this one up. Last year any amateur that had 1000 or more points automatically qualified for worlds. That might change this year but I think you are safe with 1700 Tim.

[can't putt]

OK, I'm slightly confused (what else is new).  According the the 2006 PDGA Tour Events Guide "Invitations will be sent to the top 25% of 2005 Points earners in each division in each state/province, with a certain minimum # of points required in each division."

Nothing is said about automatic qualification by exceeding some point threshold, although the documents above clearly show otherwise.  Are the actual qualification requirements/procedures documented somewhere?

[Bruce Brakel]

The point minimum might go up or down.  They work backwards to arrive at that number.  How many is a full field?  How many should we invite to be pretty sure we can accomodate everyone who accepts an invitation?  How many points is that in each division? 

Usually they don't fill and plenty of players get in from the waiting list.  I think the huge numbers of Illinois players who want to attend may change that scenario for 2007. 

[can't putt]

Thanks, Bruce, I read your original post.  It just seems to me that PDGA policy and procedure that should be transparent (i.e. ratings, qualifying) are not.  In fact, they are seemingly pretty arbitrary.  If someone were to try and figure out qualifications standards for am worlds and did not have access to the expertise of this or similar clubs they don't have a chance.  While the language of the published events guide is clear, that obviously is NOT the actual standard.

[DougEDawg]

when do invites go out?  is it via mail?

[Bruce Brakel]

Invitations go out after they wrap up 2006 stats.  Late January or early February is likely.  They switched to out e-mail notifications sometime this century.  Before that I think it was always by mail. 

[tone=sarcasm]The PDGA is all about arbitrary opacity.  The membership overwhelmingly voted for arbitrary opacity in the last election.[/tone]

If they go with 1000 points and the other typical criteria [all women and juniors who have played a tournament, etc.] they'll be inviting about 750 players.  That sounds about right. 

If you call the office and ask for Dave Gentry he is usually helpful. 

[Chainmeister]

I guess the guestion I have is can a lousy player who showed up at enough tournaments to amass 307 points get in because he will have just crossed the line to a new age protected division? He hopes he doesn't regret getting talked into leaving Crystal Lake and getting no points when there were plenty of worse players just because there was a little old monsoon.

[tjdub42]

The point minimum might go up or down.  They work backwards to arrive at that number.  How many is a full field?  How many should we invite to be pretty sure we can accomodate everyone who accepts an invitation?

Attempting to "work backwards" for the regular old Advanced Men's division, the number of participants have been:

  2003 - 213 (Kansas City)
  2004 - 278 (Des Moines)
  2005 - 158 (Arizona)
  2006 - 244 (Tulsa)

Assuming the "full field" goal is 250-300 for Milwaukee & there are about 550 potential qualifiers with 1,000+ points, that would mean 50% of the invitees would compete.  Does that sound typical?

[can't putt]

[tone=sarcasm]The PDGA is all about arbitrary opacity.  The membership overwhelmingly voted for arbitrary opacity in the last election.[/tone]

[Bruce Brakel]

My best recollection is that they invite two or three times as many as would fill the courses.  They almost never fill.  They filled Pro Worlds this year because they did not have as many courses as normal.

300 points will probably get you in Barish.  You are about 225th on the points list for Am Masters. 

[CEValkyrie]

The point minimum might go up or down.  They work backwards to arrive at that number.  How many is a full field?  How many should we invite to be pretty sure we can accomodate everyone who accepts an invitation?

Attempting to "work backwards" for the regular old Advanced Men's division, the number of participants have been:

  2003 - 213 (Kansas City)
  2004 - 278 (Des Moines)
  2005 - 158 (Arizona)
  2006 - 244 (Tulsa)

Assuming the "full field" goal is 250-300 for Milwaukee & there are about 550 potential qualifiers with 1,000+ points, that would mean 50% of the invitees would compete.  Does that sound typical?

What an AWESOME week of disc golf that was!

[discglfr]

As the Am Worlds TD I'll just stress the importance of 'not stressing out' about all of this stuff just yet.  VERY RARELY are people ultimately turned away from Am or Pro Worlds.  Yes, there are various qualification criteria and sometimes a certain amount of points will get you in and sometimes you can have less than that but if you are in the top % of your region you can earn an invite that way.

The PDGA sends out tons of invites but only a small percentage actually reply and register right away.  So then the PDGA normally sends out a second wave of invites.  After that is they usually open things up to the waiting list.  The flood gates open and registrations come pouring in.  Before you know it the people that got the original invites are complaining because their spots are quickly dwindling.

If you get an invite - send in.

We plan to max out somewhere around 500.  We are NOT trying to break attendance records at this event.  Our 4 courses can only handle so much golf.  I'm post here (and on many other message boards) simply for 'rumor control'.  I will certainly post more details as they develop. 

Thanks,

PS:  We have a D-Tier coming up next weekend (Dec 9th) and I might do another one before the year is over as well.  Those are a couple of opportunities to earn even a few more points for next year.  Remember, only the points you've earned in the 2006 calendar year are the points that count towards Am or Pro Worlds invites. 

[widiscgolf]

The point minimum might go up or down.  They work backwards to arrive at that number.  How many is a full field?  How many should we invite to be pretty sure we can accomodate everyone who accepts an invitation?

Attempting to "work backwards" for the regular old Advanced Men's division, the number of participants have been:

  2003 - 213 (Kansas City)
  2004 - 278 (Des Moines)
  2005 - 158 (Arizona)
  2006 - 244 (Tulsa)

Assuming the "full field" goal is 250-300 for Milwaukee & there are about 550 potential qualifiers with 1,000+ points, that would mean 50% of the invitees would compete.  Does that sound typical?

What an AWESOME week of disc golf that was!

YOu bet that was a AWESOME WEEK!!  I had a blast in Iowa~!