IOS #6 @ Round Lake, IL--10/20&21/07

[airspuds]

southsiders are on the way

kev c  if your lurking ill be there in 5 minutes

[SERG]

aces ?

Joe Weitzel 14A
John Jordan 13
Justin Machado 14A

[can't putt]

I heard several, sometimes vehement, complaints about the 11A o.b. but I, for one, enjoyed the hole.  I thought the concept fun and the implementation well done.  It was short enough to entice lots of players to take the risk, but long enough to make it quite difficult for most.  Re-teeing added to both the risk and the fun.  Most of the complaints I heard were from people who would re-tee several times and never consider laying up.  Sorry, but using your head should be part of the game too.

I would have liked to have seen the o.b. on 14A marked a little more clearly so it could be seen from the tee, particularly where it wrapped around behind the basket.

As always, nicely done guys and gals.  Thanks!

[pickax]

I liked the OB. Using your head is good. I think it would be really interesting to make all the tall grass at Fairfield OB. I'm sure there are a lot that would complain, but it would force people to think about their shot and how much risk they would be willing to take for the distance.

[damonshort]

I liked the OB. Using your head is good. I think it would be really interesting to make all the tall grass at Fairfield OB. I'm sure there are a lot that would complain, but it would force people to think about their shot and how much risk they would be willing to take for the distance.

It'd make for reaaallly long rounds though. 

[stpitner]

I liked the OB. Using your head is good. I think it would be really interesting to make all the tall grass at Fairfield OB. I'm sure there are a lot that would complain, but it would force people to think about their shot and how much risk they would be willing to take for the distance.

Intriguing idea, but I'm not really sure how that would fly (no pun intended) *especially on windy days like today.  I throw a disc expecting it to do one thing (even accounting for wind) but then it goes and does something completely opposite.

and thank you thank you thank you Diana for rescuing my disc because that was my primary go-to driver, and I was having a bad enough of a day - I wasn't sure what I was going to do for the rest of the round!

[airspuds]

first off - a big thx to everyone who ran all the events all year - enjoy the time off and get the batteries recharged
for next year

i liked the island hole - landed on ob line both times- whew-  got one duece out of two
again
its risk vs reward - kinda of like ball golf

i think in disc golf _ on most courses in our area - there isnt the concept of course management
its grip it and rip it - if its a bad shot you most likely get a par or bogie- depending on your up
there isnt a thought of "hey i got to play my drive here so i have a look at my next shot which leads to the next shot which allows me to putt

the wind was managable

i was happy with an 8 over on the first round as the leader was +1
with the ob i thought there was a shot at moving up
but i let the ob on 12 get into my head after duecing 11a  and struggled thru
the holes i know i could have done better

after 18  i set a goal of par for 1 thru 6 which i acheived
4 pars 1 duece and 1 bogie ( my up shot skipped down the hard ground and down the hill on hole 6)
i par'd hole 1 while the group struggled with the wind

i could see roping off the long grass in the summer but not in the fall as the wind was a major factor

again thx to all parites involved running the events

[Jon Brakel]

I am hoping to have scores up tonight. Maddisen put in all the names after the rounds were complete but she didn't get to scores before dinner was done. We never got to do it during the second round because Bruce and Brett were taking care of an administrative problem and I thought my services were better spent "flagging" on hole 11a. Then during the last half hour of play we had the annual IOS Fall Summit right there at hole 11a where we decided stuff for next year.

Game on for 2008!

[pickax]

Is someone going to publish the summit notes?

[CEValkyrie]

I absolutely love when Bruce brings out the rope. I live 2 miles from Fairfield and play it less than any area course. I get bored with half the holes out there. The rope adds some pucker factor.

11a was a good hole. You are rewarded for making a good shot or a few average shots. I played it deep and right both rounds for a 2,3. I saw a Rec player who didn't have the arm to make it to the basket and threw just short of the ropes both times. He pitched up and hit his putt both rounds for a 3,3. I would like to see the average for the weekend.

The rope on the swamp is great. It speeds up play from people looking and playing outta the swamp. You have to decide if you can make it or not.

I laid the rope on 14a. I'll make sure it gets marked with flags next year. I left the rope out and hoping it's used all year. Talk about some serious pucker factor on a hole under 200 feet. How often do you get those feelings that you had on 14a on other holes under 200 feet in the area?

[skipache]

personally i thought that 11A was a good hole because most of the pro/adv players would go for it and there was a clear "landing zone" to lnad the disc on. I thought it was kind of a Winthrop #17 situation.

on 14A i didnt understand why the OB was so close behind the basket and to the left side, I just thought that too many ppl were just bailing out, turning over a beat disc and laying up for three, i think the hole could be improved if say it was a complete "island" were you actually had to make the shot to stay  inbounds, i did however like the risky drop zone, i missed my jump put from right next to the zone for two, went OB, then made the jump from the zone for a four

just some ideas.... i do like watching people throw OB 

[Schwinn2]

So did Bruce get arrested?

I was wondering if it was possible to make the long grass and swamp on the right side of hole 10 OB.  I saw many golfers wading in the water and coming out empty handed.  Not to mention, so many people were confused about how to play casual water/lost disc on that hole.  Two years ago, the swamp was also filled with water, and I was up to my knees in gunk.  It was my lucky day, however.  I found my disc, and I had a sighting of Yoda.   

[Bruce Brakel]

So did Bruce get arrested?

I was wondering if it was possible to make the long grass and swamp on the right side of hole 10 OB.  I saw many golfers wading in the water and coming out empty handed.  Not to mention, so many people were confused about how to play casual water/lost disc on that hole.  Two years ago, the swamp was also filled with water, and I was up to my knees in gunk.  It was my lucky day, however.  I found my disc, and I had a sighting of Yoda.   

We should make that o.b. on 10.  I would like to make that o.b. and bring back the island hole on hole 5.  After I took a 7 on 11a and Jon wet his pants laughing, I think 11a will be a permanent fixture.  11a was just too much fun for the tournament staff not to set it up every time now.  And, any good player who wants to take a three can take a three.  It is not a hard 3. 

I too thought 14a was too much risk and not enough reward.  I played a safe drive there every time and got a three.  Maybe for pros it was more tempting. 

[pickax]

I wonder if hole 10 should have a mando and cut out the local route over the top.

[smyith]

On Int and Rec day the rope overkill is just wrong. ESPECIALLY with wind like that. The swamp i understand being OB but the other OB marks were rediculous. Anytime a whole is taking some players double digit strokes to get through the whole that is that short there is a design flaw. Pro/Adv should have no problem handling that course marked up like that and I think that many of the IOS courses should have that more regularly implemented on Pro/Adv day. But Int/Rec are your average and inconsisent players who are working on their game. Having to play that kind of layout is discouraging. I had forgotten why I boycott this particular event but now I remember.

[discpro99]

On Int and Rec day the rope overkill is just wrong. ESPECIALLY with wind like that. The swamp i understand being OB but the other OB marks were rediculous. Anytime a whole is taking some players double digit strokes to get through the whole that is that short there is a design flaw. Pro/Adv should have no problem handling that course marked up like that and I think that many of the IOS courses should have that more regularly implemented on Pro/Adv day. But Int/Rec are your average and inconsisent players who are working on their game. Having to play that kind of layout is discouraging. I had forgotten why I boycott this particular event but now I remember.

[stpitner]

ok, the only double digit score I heard about was because a player tried 6 times to throw his disc past the OB on 11A and failed 5 out of the 6 times.  Perhaps they didn't understand that you could throw it short and then lay up from there.  With the wind and all it was tough to hear Jon yelling out to them after he had to keep holding up the red disc to "lay up!" (I was walking from 18 to 1 at the time this was happening), but that hole is an entirely easy 3.  It just so happened that he walked away with a 14.

[CEValkyrie]

Adam,

   Unfortunately Lake County doesn't offer what disc golf is around the country. What would you have done if there was standing water to the left on 14A or in front of the basket on 11A? I could go down the list of holes i've played at tournaments that offer similar situations.

As for design flaw. I watched players attempt  to throw drives on 11A all day yesterday. Players knew the wind conditions. It was very easy to tell it was a 20+mph wind blowing right to left.  The players throwing multiple drives into the OB knew the risk they were taking when attempting the shot. To me taking multiple drives is jut like the situation in Tin Cup. That is poor decision making. Not skill level.

   

[pickax]

11a was great hole. I was out there warming up Friday trying to figure out which disc would land in the short grass safely (last year it was an island hole). Teebird occasionally, Surge definitely, Buzzz no way. Then I found out Sunday that were I was landing was going to be OB. No  brainer. Throw the Buzzz as I knew I would not make it out of the tall grass and layup for the easy three. (Except my layups were short leaving me with a long putt but anywho). If you are inconsistent or are not used to the wind, then you shouldn't have been gunning for the pin. That really is a no brainer. Good thing this isn't the PDGA board, or I'd get banned for that comment.

[CEValkyrie]

I wonder if hole 10 should have a mando and cut out the local route over the top.

I'm actually hoping a few of those dead trees to the right fall and open the gap a bit tempting more throws. I heard several players talk about throwing that way but never witnessed any. I was hoping to do so for the awwww factor .Any mistake throwing that route leads to a lost disc and retee. Putting thru the gap and taking a 2 would be sick to see.