Flight Life vs Round 2 CTPs

[Bruce Brakel]

I can't find the icon for inserting a poll.  Did we lose that option? 

At my doubles thing it was really windy, snowy and the ground was frozen, so instead of doing Round 2 CTPs we did a Flight Life for brass.  Flight Life is that game where if you win on your card for the second round, you win the prize.  That concept went over well and it was easy for me, a lot easier than CTPs.

Should we try that at an IOS?  The advantages include that the flags won't get ruined by rain, lost in the schule, picked up by casuals or blown away by the wind because there are no flags.  It does not slow down awards because you pick up the prize at the beginning of the round and settle it in your group.  I suppose the biggest disadvantage is that your odds of winning two or more prizes are zero. 

It isn't all or nothing.  We could alternate, or go by the forecast. 

[Tom McManus]

At a few tourneys I have played the card decided which hole they wanted to be CTP.  It worked pretty well. No worrying about handing out flags and flags being left on the course or flags being passed over.  The group picks the CTP, they all go for it and then mark on the card which hole and who is the winner.  Keeps it closer to the spirit of a CTP than having the winner of the card.

[Jon Brakel]

I like both ideas. I think flight life is a really good option for the lower day. It spreads the prizes out better and I like that for the lower day. Group CTPs is a good idea also. I think we should incorporate the group CTP and/or flight life starting with IOS number 1. I think the 18 CTPs in the second round were getting too unmanageable. It was nice to have Krupika to help out with them but on days when he wasn't there there wasn't always someone stepping up to do it.

[Chainmeister]

  Flight Life ...Should we try that at an IOS? 

Its an interesting idea especially in the second round.  In that round everybody is grouped by score and presumably pretty close in ability.  Everbody should feel they have a chance to compete. The good is that a wider assortment of players has a chance to compete for a prize.  However, the prizes can't be that substantial if you are giving one out to every group.  Its also one less thing you guys have to worrry about.  No "D'oh, didn't anybody pick up the CTP card on 16?" 

[Bruce Brakel]

  Flight Life ...Should we try that at an IOS? 

Its an interesting idea especially in the second round.  In that round everybody is grouped by score and presumably pretty close in ability.  Everbody should feel they have a chance to compete. The good is that a wider assortment of players has a chance to compete for a prize.  However, the prizes can't be that substantial if you are giving one out to every group.  Its also one less thing you guys have to worrry about.  No "D'oh, didn't anybody pick up the CTP card on 16?" 

If we were doing it in lieu of divisional CTPs, it would be the same prize, 15 Brass for a fivesome or 12 Brass for a foursome. 

Diana observed that Flight Life works better for large divisions than small ones.  Sometimes in the one-flight divisions they kind of know who has a chance to win the round and who doesn't. 

[damonshort]

...Tom's method also avoids tie-breaks if two or more 'win' the card.

[pickax]

I like the Flight Life idea as it spreads the bonus around and gives everybody something to play hard for second round. Whatever you do, it needs to be well defined and remove the decision making from the group. If the group needs to decide what hole to make their CTP or how to break ties, then you have to work on group consensus. Keep em like sheep. If you do something by card, I would hand out the prize when they turn the scorecard in.

[Bruce Brakel]

A card CTP maybe makes more sense for the lead card since they already have trophies and payouts as an incentive to win the card.

I agree with Krupika that it should not be group consensus what hole to play for the CTP.  If it is consensus, that means the alpha dog is going to pick the hole and everyone else is going to go along with that. 

[mirth]

I can't find the icon for inserting a poll.  Did we lose that option? 

Should be right next to New Topic when viewing the board index, or at the bottom of the thread I see insert poll.

If you don't see either it may be a rights thing (although rights haven't changed since going to Joomla)

[SERG]

I agree with Krupika that it should not be group consensus what hole to play for the CTP.  If it is consensus, that means the alpha dog is going to pick the hole and everyone else is going to go along with that. 

Take one hole, make each group (or division) play that hole as CTP. Each group will mark on their card who won. I liked the Flight Life concept until the "tie" issue came about. What would you do with a tie? Another CTP? The winner could also be the one responsible for turning in the group's cards...they'll want to claim their prize.

[Bruce Brakel]

I think what we wind up doing on the upper day will depend on what Jon gets ready while we're playing the morning round.  He likes the Flight Life concept and the posts here have been very helpful. 

For IOS #2 and #3, I think we'll have $140 worth of sponsored CTPs each day.  So there'll we'll do Flight Life and CTPs!  I'll announce it when the time is right but it is still a bit premature.

[stpitner]

maybe you could have each group have an informal CTP on a designated hole by the TD.  Rank the group's CTP and that's their tie-breaker value.  If there is a tie on the card at the end, whoever had the best CTP for the informal CTP hole wins the tiebreaker.  Some groups may struggle with that as it's not something commonly done...

[Bruce Brakel]

O.k.  Vote.  But don't feel like it is a vote.  It is more of a poll.  If you feel passionately about the topic, you might be able to vote more than once.

[stpitner]

I like the round 2 flight life idea.  It's a lot more rewarding knowing that you have a one in four or five chance to win something instead of do you have the biggest arm to win the CTP on the bomb holes or having to worry about bringing in all of the flags etc etc.  It gives everybody a fair chance to win something.

[Dan Michler]

personally i would rather have CTP's.  i only have to make 1 good shot to win one of those.  to beat my whole group i have to play good the whole round which is pretty unlikely.  maybe you can have the group pick a hole to be their CTP for the flight life.  or maybe have half the CTP's worth 2 times as much so it takes less time to do.

[mirth]

I like both, but I was pretty happy to find out after the round that I had won the card and got the brass....

[Tom McManus]

I prefer a CTP.  The group can pick a hole or it can be chosen by the TD.  It can be one of the shorter holes on the course if people are concerned about big arms winning the hole.  I think holes 3, 9, or 16  would have been good choices for IOS #1.

[tree]

I liked the flight-life thing.  I also like the multidivisional, "best improved" option we did yesterday.

[Bruce Brakel]

When I saw the 950 junior on the same card as a couple of 850 juniors, most improved made a lot of sense. 

I liked winning Josh Hamm's CTP!  Thanks to Josh Hamm for donating the cool dyed discs. 

[smyith]

I think it should be left up to the group as to wether they compete for the brass as a CTP that they agree upon before the round or best score wins.

It would be cool to also do something for most improved from round 1 to round 2 (for everyone in the tourn), give those people who had a bad first round to actually stay and finish the tourn (not that im not happy when i get to beat someone automatically). I dont know how you would necessarily determine most improved but i would have to say strokes.