Innova Cro

[stpitner]

*has a lightbulb moment* I was wondering what in the world the HOB meant on the bottom of the skeeters lol.  The stuff that I picked up from Innova at the beginning of may (still receiving 1st runs then, don't know about now), 1 says HOB, the other 4 say SK.

At least they made a cool first run hot stamp

[Working Stiff]

Hey, Innova has ANOTHER disc due out in late July...a faster Wraith-like disc called Destroyer.  It is on the PDGA approved list.  What does that make...18 drivers?    

Can we still complain about Innova flooding the market on this thread, or do we have to start another one.

[jsun3thousand]

The more drivers the better. I hope it is sidearm friendly- us backhand deficient need more options. Jason 

[Mukey]

The more drivers the better. I hope it is sidearm friendly- us backhand deficient need more options. Jason 

The driver market is already flooded, which is why I didnt make mention of that, only of the recent mid-range us to death mentality.

[drift]
Sidearm friendly is all relative. For me it means something stable 'cause I can't control the turnover on a sidearm shot as well. Which is why I forced myself to learn a backhand shot. A slight backhand turnover works better for those shots where a sidearm will fall off too much right at the end.
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[Working Stiff]

There are already 38 new PDGA approved discs in 2007.  At this rate there could be 80 new discs on the market this year, not to mention the different plastics they are released in.

I don't think Innova, Discraft, Lightning, Wham-O, Dynamic and DGA COMBINED had 80 different discs when I started playing.

[stpitner]

yeah, it's tough to keep up on all of this stuff.  But this is what you get when whater that 20-year law is dealing with patents (maybe it's 25 years) passes by - fair use or something like that?  It's causing an explosion of discs because they don't have to get permission from Innova to make discs.

I'm bugged about the Destroyer.  It would be sweet if it's a faster Wraith, but it's terrible from my reselling point of view - they are just now coming out with the standard stock Champion Wraith, which I think will be very popular.  Then probably come August they will start telling people to buy the Destroyer because it will fly better than the Wraith?  How does that kind of marketing make sense?  Ah well, people will probably buy both...

There's only so much you can do with a disc - although Quest is definitely challenging that line of thinking!  It will be interesting to see what happens to all of these companies over the next couple of years - who will stay vs. who may have to close up shop.

Scott

[Working Stiff]

20 year fair use exception=10 M Brick   Bring back the Innova Monopoly!

I never understood the whole thing since Discraft, Wham-O, Gateway and all the rest were licensed by Innova, but Lightning beat Innova in court and were never licensed.  I could never figure out why the Lightning ruling did not open things up earlier, but I'm no lawyer.

The only thing I can figure about the Destroyer is that the Inferno is actually faster than the Wraith according to some folks.  I don't know how they test that, so again what do I know.  Quest might be pushing Innova so that if they want to claim that they have the hands-down fastest driver on the market, they have to keep pushing the envelop to stay ahead.  Otherwise, they are just messing up the sales of a huge hit disc that has been out what?  Less than two years?

[Jon Brakel]

I wonder if at some point the PDGA needs to regulate discs such that they can't get longer and faster. It would really change the game if eventually everyone could throw 450 feet. They could make golf balls that fly farther but the PGA regulates how they can be designed and manufactured in order regulate how far someone can hit them. Same thing applies to clubs. Just a thought...

[Working Stiff]

I wonder if at some point the PDGA needs to regulate discs such that they can't get longer and faster. It would really change the game if eventually everyone could throw 450 feet. They could make golf balls that fly farther but the PGA regulates how they can be designed and manufactured in order regulate how far someone can hit them. Same thing applies to clubs. Just a thought...

Hey, isn't this the part where someone casts themselves in the role of Chuck Kennedy-style PDGA apologist and brings up the time 15 or so years ago that the Aerobie was ruled Illegal-even though that was done mostly to protect the business interests of Dave (I've got the PDGA in my hip pocket) Dunipace-as an example of how the PDGA will protect the integrity of disc golf from products that change the nature of the game?

Whoever does that, make sure you forget to mention all the courses that have been re-designed and lengthened over the last five years because of all the PDGA approved thin-plate, beefy rimmed drivers that people can throw 100 ft further than the Cyclones and Gazelles that proceeded them.   

The guys who benefit most from the super-mega-maximum distance discs are the top 1% of players...the guys who win Open Men divisions.  The rest of us can probably still take 4's on a 400 ft hole because we really can't get enough snap to take advantage of a speed 11 disc anyway.  But you end up with a Club trying to rework the design of the course so that they can hold an "A" tier for those 1% of players, and end up with courses that beginners who throw 150 ft cannot play with any level of success.  That hurts the growth of the sport.  So far, the PDGA has had nothing to say about this, and I don't think they will anytime soon.

[stpitner]

time to start designing more stuff to help people improve their wrist snap   But perhaps this is where we are able to start to draw the line between pro and am and start having some big time tournaments with big time payouts and start molding the sport into something huge.  Sure you can still have some shorter courses for those learning to play, but just like with golf, they need to have those championship courses for that 1% to go play.  We just need to go watch


For those that are interested, the Cro is being released by Innova on July 9th.  I plan on ordering a large stock of them probably on Monday or Tuesday.  Let me know if I need to custom order anything for someone trying to find some specific weights and stuff.

[stpitner]

Star Cro's have arrived - all first runs, some really nice colors.  Actually has a really nice feel.  Itching to take one out of my stock to go toss it lol.  I have 20 available presently.