Intermediate players and rules

[pickax]

I know we often go out of order for all sorts of "speed of play" reasons. But I could not find that weasel wording anywhere. Anyone know where that is?

[pickax]

I must have glanced over it. 801.02.C "After all the players in the group have teed off, the player farthest from the hole (the away player) throws first. To facilitate flow of play, a player who is not farthest away may play next if the away player consents."

Therefore, if you have been teeing off out of order for the past N holes. The "away" player must have consented. No courtesy violation here.

[Mukey]

Stroking someone for throwing out of order is really stupid.  Never go there.  In all the years I've played tournaments I've never seen anyone stroke anyone for throwing out of order but in Iowa some guy on the first tee threatened to stroke me if I threw out of order.  He played like crap the rest of the day. 

I 2nd Bruce's comments on this one. There IS a difference between being a resonable enforcer of the rules & being a rule Nazi. Don't be anal.

[tacimala]

If someone tried to stroke me for throwing out of turn off the tee I would make sure their round was not very fun from then on out.

What's worse? Someone that stands behind the tee pad for 2 minutes because they don't know that it's their turn or someone that thinks it is their turn and just goes up to throw to keep speed of play? (This is rhetorical really, I'm not looking for an answer here)

[mirth]

I think its fine to be a rules Nazi when you're preventing someone from getting a competitive edge as a result, eg: dead but not detached limbs, holding back branches or brush, foot faults, etc.

Nobody gets a competitive edge by being throwing out of turn on the tee. If you think its your turn & they're not running up then question it. If you feel its too late and its important to you say something after the group's teed off.

[pickax]

There is a competitive edge to throwing later.

[Mukey]

I think its fine to be a rules Nazi when you're preventing someone from getting a competitive edge as a result, eg: dead but not detached limbs, holding back branches or brush, foot faults, etc.

Nobody gets a competitive edge by throwing out of turn on the tee.

There is a competitive edge to throwing later.

Exactly. If some idiot wants to be your wind-dummy, then let him.

[mirth]

for some, I guess. me - not so much. my point really was that if you feel its your turn and its not infringing on the person currently on the tee then its within your right to verify the order is correct.

I personally just let it go and it tends to get corrected before the next hole anyhow. I also don't mind being last on the tee...

[Working Stiff]

I guess I like to talk too much...I always ask "who is up?" when it is my turn.  That way whoever I shot better than the last hole has to look at me and say "you."  It also keeps me from throwing out of turn. 

Of course when I'm last on the card I shut up. 

The speed of play rule does not come into play off the tee, but again it's a "who cares" violation. 

[can't putt]

Last year was my first year playing tournaments.  At IL States I was stroked for teeing off out of turn (first violation).  Since I didn't know the rule, I said "OK".  That's when I decided to learn the rules. 

I agree it's asinine to stroke someone for throwing out of turn, but the rule is there and should be understood.

[Jon Brakel]

Last year was my first year playing tournaments.  At IL States I was stroked for teeing off out of turn (first violation).  Since I didn't know the rule, I said "OK".  That's when I decided to learn the rules. 

I agree it's asinine to stroke someone for throwing out of turn, but the rule is there and should be understood.

Hopefully you will always remember who he is and never cut him any slack!