2008 PDGA Format

[pickax]

Dave is outtabounds on the Competition Thread.

[Chainmeister]

Dave- Nice rant on the PDGA message board on this topic btw.

Dave who?  How about a link?

It was me.  Page 17 of this thread.
http://www.pdga.com/msgboard/showflat.php?Cat=0&Number=738839&page=0&fpart=17&vc=1
Brett, Neal and Tom et al, you know I support our local pros. This guy just pissed me off.

[Bruce Brakel]

In unsanctioned anything goes. In sanctioned tournaments, the only divisional change is the number and cutoffs for the am non-age protected divisions. (I don't know what they've done with the women ams). If you are a 40+ 865 male, you are eligible for MPO, MPM, MA1, MA2, MA3, MM1.

I believe that they eliminated FW3.  I don't know whether they intended to or whether it was an oversight.  They did not vote to eliminate it.  They voted to adopt the proposal and it was not on the draft proposal I saw. 

[mirth]

Way to get wicked with the flamethrower Dave!

[Bruce Brakel]

I cannot find the post.  Did it get deleted by the moderators? 

[pickax]

Its still there. Try my link above as I reference the post number directly.

[Bruce Brakel]

I think those links only work if you are using default settings. 

[damonshort]

msg #739882

[mirth]

Just go to page whatever Krupicka said and go about halfway down.

[can't putt]

Mike referenced the wrong page in his link.  Dave's post (just after Mike's) has a link referencing the correct page.

[kyle]

Isn't this essentially the same thing the PDGA tried with the Pro 2 division about 3 years ago?
Other than it being an Am division this time around, I don't really remember that system being much different.

[pickax]

Pro2 was a TD headache.

[Bruce Brakel]

Really this is the same thing we've been doing since 2001 but with different ratings breaks to reflect the reality that most amateurs are staying amateur a little longer. 

[Bruce Brakel]

The PDGA decided that it didn't really like the names it adopted for the amateur divisions next year.  These are the new names

Advanced -- 935 and up
Intermediate -- less than 935
Recreational -- less than 900
Novice -- less than 850

We're still calling them Am 1, Am 2, Am 3 and Am 4. 

We're still going with Open, 2, 4 Saturdays and 1, 3, age, gender Sundays. 

I'm still not sure what womens amateur divisions are part of the format.  I think we will continue to offer the full range we have in the past

[airspuds]

clear as mud

gee whiz lawyerspeak

Advanced -- 935 and up            IOS  translates it to AM 1       SUN
Intermediate -- less than 935     IOS  translates it to AM 2       SAT
Recreational -- less than 900     IOS  translates it to AM 3      SUN
Novice -- less than 850             IOS  translates it to AM  4     SAT

We're still calling them Am 1, Am 2, Am 3 and Am 4. 
We're still going with Open, 2, 4 Saturdays and 1, 3, age, gender Sundays. 

I'm still not sure what womens amateur divisions are part of the format.  I think we will continue to offer the full range we have in the past

[pickax]

By the table, it looks like Rec Women is still a division for 2008.

[Bruce Brakel]

Can you post a link to the table?  Is the table the document or the summary of the document?

The document that they approved did not have a Rec Women division.  Someone on the Competition Committee told me that was an intentional decision so as to not increase the number of divisions by adding Am 4.   Someone on the Board told me they did not discuss that and it might have been an oversight. 

What it will come down to is whether anyone changes the TD report to remove FW3 as a division choice.  I think if no one brings it up pointedly with Gentry or Graham it will slide by and still be on the TD report.  If someone brings it up, they will have to make an intentional decision.  But if no one brings it up, no one is going to notice and delete it from the TD report. 

[Working Stiff]

So now instead of telling the 935 and up rated Ams that they are moving up to Expert (which they had to do) they are asking the players rated 915-934 that were Advanced to move down to Intermediate, which the don't have to do?

Genius.   

[pickax]

2008 Division Grid

If they had named the divisions this way to begin with there wouldn't have been nearly as much for people to argue about on the message board.

[Bruce Brakel]

It will probably take two or three years for the players to start following the new ratings breaks.  It took about four years for the current ratings breaks to really catch on. 

But that's o.k.  It will give an advantage to PDGA members who adapt to the new system.  And the new system won't result in a lot of uninformed players accidentally bagging in the wrong division.  The new system will punish the idiots instead of rewarding them. 

I'm still curious to see what the $10 nonmember fee is going to do to attendance or membership numbers.  I think most of the people who don't join, don't join because the $40 is too much for them.  I think the $10 will be too much for them too.