Paper or Plastic Sports Presents Chains of Pain II - Nov 17/18, C-Tier, Bevier

[skipache]

great tournament, congrats Dana one the pro win!

[Fox Metro Discer]

Thanks Scott. Great time and well run for your first event. Cannot wait to play another one of yours.

[stpitner]

Saturday was probably low 40's, breezy, and drizzly.  No hard rain, but just enough to be very annoying.  Sunday was much better, although it was still probably mid-40's, a little breezy at times, but the rain sprinkles were gone pretty much by about 8AM.  The sun even peeked out every now and then!

A major thank you to Adrian Sr., Aaron Scott, Jason Rose, Keith Pitner, my wife Sara, Matt, and John Cleaveland for helping with all sorts of things from unloading, setting up, tear down, putting out flags and baskets, clearing flags and baskets, loading up, all that help is greatly appreciated!

Thanks to Fox Valley Metro Disc Golf Club for 2 CTP's worth of awesome goodies.
Thanks to Disc Golf Alley Club for 2 - 2008 club memberships.
Thanks to Discontinuum for donating a large chunk of money towards the port-a-potty.  That really helped my weekend go (no pun intended) a lot better.
Thanks to Paper or Plastic Sports for the $100 donation added to the pro purse, 8 ctp's (4 each day), and providing the vending for this event.

I had a TON of positive feedback on the player handbooks.  I feel bad that I only had enough time to print 20!  It wound up to be enough.  I will post the entire thing here soon (I hope), although it will be a little difficult to follow unless you print it out and make it a booklet yourself.  I'm also adding in a couple revisions for somethings that were pointed out to be incorrect or forgotten.

Rounds for both days are posted:
Saturday Results
Sunday Results

I don't know why you can't see the ratings for Sunday yet.  There's an email out to Dave Gentry about that right now.  I'm wondering if it's because there were so many people that were not pdga members playing, so the calculations could be way off.  I made sure to tell people that the fee was going up to $10 next year for non-members, and almost had a couple people sign up.  They didn't because they didn't have enough money on them.

Once I do have the handbook posted, I'd appreciate additional feedback from members of the board for future courses.  I have a feeling a lot of people are going to have higher expectations for future tournaments that I may run   "what, no handbook?" lol   At least the next time I run a tournament at Bevier I'm good to go!

Scott

[skipache]

i believ that you need 6 pdga members with ratings, in order to calculate ratings for a tournament, im not sure but i think that is how it works

[stpitner]

It was an intriguing finish for the Rec division too.  Pat should have won by 3 strokes with a score of 63, but the scorecard was turned in listing him at 62.  So with the corrected score + 2 penalty strokes the round was turned into a 65.  So in the end he wound up only winning by 1 stroke.

Too bad the turnout wasn't a little bigger on Sunday - wouldn't have the problem of not enough people for the quick unofficial ratings calculations!

[tacimala]

I think it's along what Jason said, but I think it's a few more players. On top of that, those players have to also have at least 8 or so rated rounds calculated as well or else they don't count.

[pickax]

Looks like you only have 3 gators for Sunday. Gators must have 8 rated rounds and a rating > 799.

[Bruce Brakel]

One time I ran a tournament that was a bust on attendance and we did not have enough gators.  I called a friend of mine and got his permission to use him as a gator so long as he also happened to shoot his rating both rounds. 

I'm not suggesting you do that. 

[pickax]

If you claim the weather was the same for both days, they might be able to use the previous days SSA for Sunday's round ratings.

[stpitner]

unfortunately the weather Sunday was better than Saturday.  I don't know if it was a LOT better, but from watching people play hole 1, it was definitely easier on Sunday to get the results that you wanted from your throws.  I guess I'll just have to wait and see what happens?

[tacimala]

I'm not sure if this was covered before, but something I had been wondering was why did you do a split day tourney?

[stpitner]

A number of reasons, but honestly I'm surprised that so many people are concerned over running a split day tournament.  Running a split day opens up the field so that up to 100 people could come out each day.  I was expecting as many people to be interested in playing a tournament in that area as I see people that are responding to going to the Cold Turkey this weekend.  Was I expecting to max out? no, but I was expecting at least twice as many people each day.

With that said, I ran it as two-day for these other reasons:
-Say I only had 50 people each day --- 50 people = more 4-somes on a card instead of everyone on 5-somes.  That leads to quicker rounds, and everyone gets out of there before dark.
-Being the first tournament where my name is the TD (I've helped run a sanctioned event before), I wanted to split the divisions so that it was a little bit easier on myself to calculate stuff like payouts and not screw it up.
-I want everyone to know that if I'm going to run a tournament out here, I intend to run a high-caliber tournament.  I feel a split day tournament emphasizes it.
-There weren't any other tournaments in the local area that were scheduled at the time I turned in the sanctioning agreement (the doubles at Kenosha was announced after my event was announced)
-Lastly, Why not?

[Dan Michler]

Running split day does show your commitment as a TD Scott.  However I think running it on 1 day would help maximize your total field.  Then people from int/rec can travel with adv/pros.  Since many 1 day events have been run at Bevier in the past and none of them have ever filled, I would think that for that particular course you are safe in running it as a 1 day event.

Scott put a great effort into running this event.  If you play his events next year you can expect a very very good disc selection.  Good luck in the future Scott!  I think you'll do much better in warmer months.

[tacimala]

I was just wondering the reasoning, that was all. Please in no way take it as a complaint from me!

[stpitner]

I was just wondering the reasoning, that was all. Please in no way take it as a complaint from me!

No problem, just surprising how many people asked me about that.

On a completely different side note: the Country Inn & Suites in Zion, IL - about 5 minutes from the course, is a very comfy, coze place to stay lol.  $95 for the night, free wireless internet allowing me to post the scores

And somehow part of my thank yous was clipped when I was trying unsuccessfully last night to make a post about the tournament.

Thanks Tom McManus for the use of your basket on Saturday.
Thanks Adrian Sr. for the use of your basket for Sunday.

I don't have all of the numbers in front of me, but we had something like a 148% payout to Pro's, and something like 130% - 140% to each division Advanced, Intermediate, and Recreational.

I hope to have the personalized pictures for the trophy frames mailed out by Friday.  I'm hoping sooner than that though since there is no mail Thursday and Friday is a BEAR at the post office with everyone starting to send out Christmas cards.  I had 1 trophy for Open, 3 for advanced, 1 for Intermediate, and 3 for Rec.

[stpitner]

Some weather.com statistics from what the weather conditions were like each day...

Saturday, Nov 17th, Pro/Adv:
  Round 1 - 43 degrees, Wind 10-12mph, light to medium rain
  Round 2 - 40 degrees, Wind 12-16mph, light to medium rain

Sunday, Nov 18th, Int/Rec:
  Round 1 - 41 degrees, Wind 10-14mph, wet ground but no rain
  Round 2 - 41 degrees, Wind 7-9mph, wet ground but no rain

So I can't really say the weather was the same both days.  It was similar yes, but the same? no.  I'm also posting this here because I'm sure that I'll need to include it with my TD report once I get that in.  That will probably go in early next week.

-Scott

[discpro99]

Running split day does show your commitment as a TD Scott.  However I think running it on 1 day would help maximize your total field.  Then people from int/rec can travel with adv/pros.  Since many 1 day events have been run at Bevier in the past and none of them have ever filled, I would think that for that particular course you are safe in running it as a 1 day event.

Scott put a great effort into running this event.  If you play his events next year you can expect a very very good disc selection.  Good luck in the future Scott!  I think you'll do much better in warmer months.

this dont sound like dan. do we have an imposter on our hands?

[stpitner]

let's see if I can get this to post...

I have the handbook available for download, but I decided that since it did take me quite a bit of work to get it done, I added a watermark of my logo to all of the pages.  It's also varying page sizes and makes it a little bit tougher to print.  If you do want to print it out so that it reads better, print out pages 1-6 and then put 7 on the back of 6, 8 on the back of 5, 9 on the back of 4, etc.

let me know what you think.  I'd like some thoughts on how I can mark some baskets as elevated on a hill.

http://www.paperorplasticsports.com/discgolf/playerhandbook-bevier.zip

thanks,
scott

[stpitner]

Minor side note, I updated the Saturday results to show the winnings for the Pro players.  1st took $176, 2nd took $106.  This included my $100 added cash sponsorship.

[Dan Michler]

Running split day does show your commitment as a TD Scott.  However I think running it on 1 day would help maximize your total field.  Then people from int/rec can travel with adv/pros.  Since many 1 day events have been run at Bevier in the past and none of them have ever filled, I would think that for that particular course you are safe in running it as a 1 day event.

Scott put a great effort into running this event.  If you play his events next year you can expect a very very good disc selection.  Good luck in the future Scott!  I think you'll do much better in warmer months.

this dont sound like dan. do we have an imposter on our hands?

dan michler sux balls.  by next year he'll be a recreational player at his current pace of getting worse.