Brett Favre

[Dan Michler]

I say good riddance.  The season starts NOW.  Favre hasn't shown up to any camps or practices, or shown any kind of commitment to the team.  There's no guarantee that he's in any kind of playing shape, or ready to start the season.  If any other guys on the team pulled this kind of stuff, they would be dropped or traded too.  He's being a selfish drama queen.  You can't expect the team to hold out forever- they went out of their way to be accomodating ALL year.  How many times did he say he wasn't coming back?

I hope he goes 4-12 with 30 INT, retires in shame and regrets all of it.

The Packers forced Favre's hand by making him make a decision in January. He wanted to wait a couple of months to decide. The Packers got what they deserved by forcing him to decide then.

I remember a basketball player that played for the Bulls wanted to chase his baseball dreams for a few years...when he wanted to come back to basketball the Bulls said "Welcome back!!! Of course that was the Jordan Rules. I guess there aren't any Favre Rules.

I hope Favre has a good year. I hope Rodgers has a good year. I hope the Bears beat the Packers three times this year! I also hope that the Bears beat the Jets in post season play...when I hope, I hope big. 

People can say all they want that the Packers forced Favre into this situation, but that is just ridiculous.  They let him waffle about retirement the past 2 offseasons until training camp.  Excuse the Packers for wanting to have an idea of who their QB is before the draft and free agency is over.  I'm sure they applied pressure on him to make his decision quickly this offseason, but at the end of the day there is only 1 man responsible for saying 'I'm retired' and that is Brett Favre.  If he wasn't sure if he wanted to retire, then he shouldn't have had his teary little goodbye press conference.  Why can't he man up and take some responsiblity for his situation?  Ask yourself this:  if you quit your job today, would you expect it to be there for you the same as you left it if you decide to come back in 2 months?  The NFL is a business, maybe Brett didn't realize that.

Lets not compare Jordan's comeback to the Bulls to Favre.  When Jordan decided to comeback in 1995, he was still the best basketball player in the world, period.  Favre is so far from being the best player in the NFL its laughable.  If Peyton Manning decides to announce his retirement for the next 3 offseasons, then yes the Colts will take him back as the starter everytime even if they spent their 1st rd pick on a QB.  Is it not possible that the Packers are tired of an aging QB who throws picks at the end of games?  With Favre, you know thats what you are getting.  He may still be a top 15 QB, but maybe the Pack believes Rodgers is better than that?  I'm not saying I agree, but maybe thats what they think.

My prediction is that Favre finally gets an injury that keeps him out of some games this year and he goes away quietly at the end of the year after a disappointment.  I actually think Aaron Rodgers could be a solid QB.  I think the RB situation is more of a question mark in GB.  I predict the Bears, Lions, and Packers all go 9-7 and tie for the division title.  10 years from now all the Packer fans will have blocked this out from their memory.

[can't putt]

I've never been a fan of the Packers without Favre as the QB.

That's what I said once ... except it was Starr. 

[discpro99]

What about the Vikings Dan?

[Dan Michler]

What about the Vikings Dan?

AP will run for 1500 yds and the Vikings will go 6-10.

[Jon Brakel]

I say good riddance.  The season starts NOW.  Favre hasn't shown up to any camps or practices, or shown any kind of commitment to the team.  There's no guarantee that he's in any kind of playing shape, or ready to start the season.  If any other guys on the team pulled this kind of stuff, they would be dropped or traded too.  He's being a selfish drama queen.  You can't expect the team to hold out forever- they went out of their way to be accomodating ALL year.  How many times did he say he wasn't coming back?

I hope he goes 4-12 with 30 INT, retires in shame and regrets all of it.

The Packers forced Favre's hand by making him make a decision in January. He wanted to wait a couple of months to decide. The Packers got what they deserved by forcing him to decide then.

I remember a basketball player that played for the Bulls wanted to chase his baseball dreams for a few years...when he wanted to come back to basketball the Bulls said "Welcome back!!! Of course that was the Jordan Rules. I guess there aren't any Favre Rules.

I hope Favre has a good year. I hope Rodgers has a good year. I hope the Bears beat the Packers three times this year! I also hope that the Bears beat the Jets in post season play...when I hope, I hope big. 

People can say all they want that the Packers forced Favre into this situation, but that is just ridiculous.  They let him waffle about retirement the past 2 offseasons until training camp.  Excuse the Packers for wanting to have an idea of who their QB is before the draft and free agency is over.  I'm sure they applied pressure on him to make his decision quickly this offseason, but at the end of the day there is only 1 man responsible for saying 'I'm retired' and that is Brett Favre.  If he wasn't sure if he wanted to retire, then he shouldn't have had his teary little goodbye press conference.  Why can't he man up and take some responsiblity for his situation?  Ask yourself this:  if you quit your job today, would you expect it to be there for you the same as you left it if you decide to come back in 2 months?  The NFL is a business, maybe Brett didn't realize that.

Lets not compare Jordan's comeback to the Bulls to Favre.  When Jordan decided to comeback in 1995, he was still the best basketball player in the world, period.  Favre is so far from being the best player in the NFL its laughable.  If Peyton Manning decides to announce his retirement for the next 3 offseasons, then yes the Colts will take him back as the starter everytime even if they spent their 1st rd pick on a QB.  Is it not possible that the Packers are tired of an aging QB who throws picks at the end of games?  With Favre, you know thats what you are getting.  He may still be a top 15 QB, but maybe the Pack believes Rodgers is better than that?  I'm not saying I agree, but maybe thats what they think.

My prediction is that Favre finally gets an injury that keeps him out of some games this year and he goes away quietly at the end of the year after a disappointment.  I actually think Aaron Rodgers could be a solid QB.  I think the RB situation is more of a question mark in GB.  I predict the Bears, Lions, and Packers all go 9-7 and tie for the division title.  10 years from now all the Packer fans will have blocked this out from their memory.

You can't compare Favre's job to mine (for a number of reasons!). I can quit my job today and go across the street and get a job doing the same exact thing. I can even go to a competitor of the company that I work for and get a job. Those options were not available to Favre otherwise I think when he sent his text message to the Packers saying that he wanted to return and they said no thanks then Favre would have just gone to whatever team he wanted to go to. In the NFL you are not free to go work for anyone that you want to unless a team has released you.

I think Favre has "manned up" and taken responsibility for himself and his decisions. He said he made a decision and it was a mistake. All he was asking was to play for the Packers or be able to play somewhere else. I think anyone with the talent should be allowed to do that as long as the NFL hasn't kicked them out for doing something bad. I just think the Packers should have told him to come back and see what happens. I think everything would have worked out for the best for the Packers if they had welcomed him back. The world is like that. Chances are Favre will be finishing this season on the DL anyway...he is the cover guy for Madden this year! 

[SIUFrolf]

I also remember that Bulls player retiring and coming back and looking like a parody of his old self on a new team.  We still have the memories of the glory days but to me it was kind of sad seeing him struggle at the end of his career.  You retire for a reason, not to come back and realize your too old and it's too late to re-re-retire

[Jon Brakel]

I also remember that Bulls player retiring and coming back and looking like a parody of his old self on a new team.  We still have the memories of the glory days but to me it was kind of sad seeing him struggle at the end of his career.  You retire for a reason, not to come back and realize your too old and it's too late to re-re-retire

You mean "struggle" winning championships? Or are you talking about Jordan's second retirement from the Bulls and his comeback with the Wizards? His first year with the Wizards he tore a tendon or something and missed 60 games. His second year with the Wizards was pretty much up to par with his years with the Bulls.

[pearso66]

Favre has no one to blame for this but himself.  I'm sure if he would have made his decision to come back before the Draft, I'm sure the Packers would have welcomed him back with open arms, but he didn't, the Packers took 2 QB's, and made a commitment to Rogers since then.  He decided to retire, even if he was "pressured" into it, and he decided to wait until the week before training camp basically to say he wanted to come back.

As for Jordan with the Wizards, he was never up to par as he was with the Bulls, at least from what I remember.  He had numerous games under 10 points, which he never had after his rookie season, and he looked slow.  Sure he could still shoot, but he wasn't the same player.  Sure he was better than everyone on his team, but that wasn't hard with the team on there.

[can't putt]

God asks Peyton Manning first: 'What do you believe?'

Peyton thinks long and hard, looks God in the eye, and says, 'I believe in
hard work, and in staying true to family and friends. I believe in giving. I
was lucky, but I always tried to do right by my fans.'

God can't help but see the essential goodness of Manning, and offers him a
seat to his left.

Then God turns to Tony Romo and says, 'What do you believe?'

Tony says, 'I believe passion, discipline, courage and honor are the
fundamentals of life. I, too, have been lucky, but win or lose, I've always
tried to be a true sportsman, both on and off the playing fields.'

God is greatly moved by Tony's sincere eloquence, and he offers him a seat
to his right.

Finally, God turns to Brett Favre: 'And you, Brett, what do you believe?'










Brett replies, 'I believe you're in my seat.'

[Dan Michler]

Well, the jury is just about in on this whole preseason Favre drama.  It seems like most Packer fans I've spoken with agree that QB was not the problem with the Packers this season.

Some numbers...

                  QB rating
Favre          84.0 (18th in the NFL)
Rodgers     91.8  (7th in the NFL)
Pennington  96.4  (2nd in the NFL)

Favre led the NFL in interceptions with 19 and had the worst int% of any QB with atleast 400 attempts.  He was intercepted on 3.9% of his passes, compared to Rodgers at 2.6%.  Rodgers also has 23 TD's to Brett's 21, despite Brett throwing 100 more passes.

The Jets and Dolphins square off next week, the Jets must win and hope the Pats or Ravens lose to get in the playoffs.  I'm wondering how Jets fans are going to feel if Pennington comes in and knocks them out, giving the Dolphins the division title over the Pats, 1 year after Miami went 1-15 with the Pats at 16-0.  They have to be wondering why they paid so much when they could have just kept Chad, the #2 rated QB in the NFL?

And after saying he was committed to atleast 2 years in New York, Favre is now saying this "may" be his last year.  Have fun waiting for July for Brett to make his final decision!  I guarantee the Packers management is very glad right now to atleast be rid of that headache.

[CEValkyrie]

With Favre the Packers were 13-3 last year. He brings an attitude to the field. Something this years Packers team did not have. The Packers just plain sucked this year without that attitude. Saying that they'll beat the Bears tonight.

The Jets were absolutely terrible last year. 4-12. To be talking about them making the playoffs is unreal to me especially in that division. Favre has been asked to go out there and win games by throwing the ball. He's changed the culture with the Jets. Just like the Bears the Jets had many opportunities to get in the playoffs already.

Pennington had his chances with NYJ. He was absolutely terrible the past few years and add injuries to compounded that problem. I give credit to Parcels and the coaching staff utilizing 2 deadly weapons at RB. I can't believe the turnaround. There was not 1 Jet fan that wanted Pennington back. He absolutely sucked. It was a win/win for the Jets and Dolphins.

I can't say it was a win for the Packers. They have no shot at the playoffs. They went from a few plays from being in the Super Bowl last year to being the bottom in a pretty brutal division.

[Tom McManus]

Well, the jury is just about in on this whole preseason Favre drama.  It seems like most Packer fans I've spoken with agree that QB was not the problem with the Packers this season.

Some numbers...

                  QB rating
Favre          84.0 (18th in the NFL)
Rodgers     91.8  (7th in the NFL)
Pennington  96.4  (2nd in the NFL)

Favre led the NFL in interceptions with 19 and had the worst int% of any QB with atleast 400 attempts.  He was intercepted on 3.9% of his passes, compared to Rodgers at 2.6%.  Rodgers also has 23 TD's to Brett's 21, despite Brett throwing 100 more passes.

The Jets and Dolphins square off next week, the Jets must win and hope the Pats or Ravens lose to get in the playoffs.  I'm wondering how Jets fans are going to feel if Pennington comes in and knocks them out, giving the Dolphins the division title over the Pats, 1 year after Miami went 1-15 with the Pats at 16-0.  They have to be wondering why they paid so much when they could have just kept Chad, the #2 rated QB in the NFL?

And after saying he was committed to atleast 2 years in New York, Favre is now saying this "may" be his last year.  Have fun waiting for July for Brett to make his final decision!  I guarantee the Packers management is very glad right now to atleast be rid of that headache.

How about some cogent analysis about Thomas Jones?

[CEValkyrie]

Plain & Simple. The Bears were idiots for getting rid of Thomas Jones for nothing and keeping Cedric Benson.

[Chainmeister]

Plain & Simple. The Bears were idiots for getting rid of Thomas Jones for nothing and keeping Cedric Benson.

Yup.

[stpitner]

I gave up on the Packers after the Saints game.  What a joke.  To be fair, they were hit hard with guys that weren't just injured, but went to IR and lost for the season.  Cullen Jenkins (DE) was a huge loss at the beginning of October, and then Nick Barnett (LB) was lost 12/1.  AJ Hawk has handled filling Barnett's shoes well (from what I understand of the game), but the Packers need both of them out there.  I'm glad to see that Bigby is done for the year heh, he was so bad on so many occasions, but now that just means someone even worse will probably fill in for the remaining 2 games. 

On the offensive side, Grant did not do as well as expected this year, and losing Mark Tauscher at Tackle to IR is pretty big.  Chad Clifton was also on that O-Line and was hurt a lot of the year.  Those two guys are huge components to a successful Green Bay offense. 

Penalties and special teams also blew up GB.  A couple of those games they should have won until special teams gives up a huge return or the last second desperation from the other team to score at the very end gets to them.  Not good. 

I agree that without Favre they lost a huge amount of leadership and determination.  Rodgers needs to step up and fill that void next year along with Hawk and a few others.

[Dan Michler]

With Favre the Packers were 13-3 last year. He brings an attitude to the field. Something this years Packers team did not have. The Packers just plain sucked this year without that attitude. Saying that they'll beat the Bears tonight.

The Jets were absolutely terrible last year. 4-12. To be talking about them making the playoffs is unreal to me especially in that division. Favre has been asked to go out there and win games by throwing the ball. He's changed the culture with the Jets. Just like the Bears the Jets had many opportunities to get in the playoffs already.

Pennington had his chances with NYJ. He was absolutely terrible the past few years and add injuries to compounded that problem. I give credit to Parcels and the coaching staff utilizing 2 deadly weapons at RB. I can't believe the turnaround. There was not 1 Jet fan that wanted Pennington back. He absolutely sucked. It was a win/win for the Jets and Dolphins.

I can't say it was a win for the Packers. They have no shot at the playoffs. They went from a few plays from being in the Super Bowl last year to being the bottom in a pretty brutal division.

Actually alot of Jets fans liked Pennington and I guarantee alot more wish they still had him right now.  Atleast the ones who aren't gay for Brett Favre's 'attitude'.

[jasonc]

Actually alot of Jets fans liked Pennington and I guarantee alot more wish they still had him right now.  Atleast the ones who aren't gay for Brett Favre's 'attitude'.

if it takes a "gay attitude" to become a winning QB in the NFL, then bring some rainbow action to Chi-town!!!!  we would even take a switch hitter at this point!!!

i love seeing all the stats that surround football.  does anyone really believe that kurt warner, with a great "QB rating" will actually make it anywhere in this year's playoffs???  Good luck winning in NY or any other cold weather venue.  What does kurt warner have to do with brett favre and aaron rodgers?  I'm glad you asked.  

The bottom line is that the pack was a better team with favre as their QB in 2007.  The Jets are obviously better with him this year.  Either team would have been better off with him in the line up this season.  While he does not possess a great QB rating, just look at the only stat that truly matters....J-E-T-S----9-6.  The pack----5-9.  If anyone believes that favre did not make a difference for both teams win/loss column this season, i'd like to teach you football 101.  classes will start after super bowl sunday.  

As a long suffering bears fan, i know all too well about "re-building" seasons and sub-par QB play.  they both SUCK and are no longer needed in today's NFL.    

Just ask a dolphins fan  (you out there brownie???).  all you need is to plug in a few players at key positions, limit the effect of injuries, and hit the ground running.  i think aaron rodgers was a little too green for this season's games.  what the hell did he do while he was sitting on the sidelines for the last 5 years?  He should have been learning and taking notes from a former super bowl champ & MVP on sundays.  He may be a good "thrower of footballs", but he still needs to learn how to be a QB out there.  

Who knows, maybe even the bears will find a good QB one of these days...

Isn't there a bears--packers game in a few hours??  i heard the pack has been practicing indoors all week because their cheerleaders didn't want to catch frostbite.  

go bears!!!!!

[Dan Michler]

Actually alot of Jets fans liked Pennington and I guarantee alot more wish they still had him right now.  Atleast the ones who aren't gay for Brett Favre's 'attitude'.

if it takes a "gay attitude" to become a winning QB in the NFL, then bring some rainbow action to Chi-town!!!!  we would even take a switch hitter at this point!!!

i love seeing all the stats that surround football.  does anyone really believe that kurt warner, with a great "QB rating" will actually make it anywhere in this year's playoffs???  Good luck winning in NY or any other cold weather venue.  What does kurt warner have to do with brett favre and aaron rodgers?  I'm glad you asked.  

The bottom line is that the pack was a better team with favre as their QB in 2007.  The Jets are obviously better with him this year.  Either team would have been better off with him in the line up this season.  While he does not possess a great QB rating, just look at the only stat that truly matters....J-E-T-S----9-6.  The pack----5-9.  If anyone believes that favre did not make a difference for both teams win/loss column this season, i'd like to teach you football 101.  classes will start after super bowl sunday.  

As a long suffering bears fan, i know all too well about "re-building" seasons and sub-par QB play.  they both SUCK and are no longer needed in today's NFL.    

Just ask a dolphins fan  (you out there brownie???).  all you need is to plug in a few players at key positions, limit the effect of injuries, and hit the ground running.  i think aaron rodgers was a little too green for this season's games.  what the hell did he do while he was sitting on the sidelines for the last 5 years?  He should have been learning and taking notes from a former super bowl champ & MVP on sundays.  He may be a good "thrower of footballs", but he still needs to learn how to be a QB out there.  

Who knows, maybe even the bears will find a good QB one of these days...

Isn't there a bears--packers game in a few hours??  i heard the pack has been practicing indoors all week because their cheerleaders didn't want to catch frostbite.  

go bears!!!!!

Stats like QB rating are actually a pretty good indicator.  Teams who lose the turnover battle have by far a losing record in the NFL, so if you want to ignore the quantity of Favre turnovers, then I'll be happy to teach you football 201 after you are done teaching me football 101.  Classes start once you are finished taking the Favre load to the face that you clearly crave.

Clearly wins and losses are the important stat for the TEAM.  However, a team has 22 starters, only 1 of which is the QB.  If you want to just point at the team's records and immediately attribute the differences to the changes in QB, then why do teams even bother worrying about the other 21 positions?  By that same logic, how to you explain the Dolphins having 10 wins with Pennington?  Did the Ravens win the 2000 Super Bowl because of Trent Dilfer's ability as a QB?  Is it not possible to win DESPITE a QB's sub-par play?  How do you know the Packers wouldn't have been even worse this year with Favre and the Jets even better this year without Favre?  You don't, nobody does, you can only speculate by looking at individual performances.  If you want to sit here and make stuff up like 'Favre's attitude wins games', then your just ignoring factual information and replacing it with intangible things that we as fans really have no way of actually knowing.  Why do you guys say Rex Grossman sucks then?  We went to the Super Bowl with him and his ability to turn the ball over alot.  Maybe we won because of Rex's attitude that made everybody else play better.  If the Pats win the Super Bowl this year, then is Cassel better than Brady?

Alot of teams in history have won with QB's who have underperformed.  There have also been alot of great QB's who have played on losing teams.  Football is the most complete TEAM game of any of the major sports.


P.S.  How can you seriously say " i think aaron rodgers was a little too green for this season's games.  what the hell did he do while he was sitting on the sidelines for the last 5 years?  He should have been learning and taking notes from a former super bowl champ & MVP on sundays.  He may be a good "thrower of footballs", but he still needs to learn how to be a QB out there. "

I wish the Bears would have had anywhere near as an effective pass game as the Packers this year.  Rodgers played very solid, regardless of Brett Favre.   Great QB's do not grow on trees.  If you think you can dump Rodgers and get a better QB, good luck!!!

[Tom McManus]

Actually alot of Jets fans liked Pennington and I guarantee alot more wish they still had him right now.  Atleast the ones who aren't gay for Brett Favre's 'attitude'.

if it takes a "gay attitude" to become a winning QB in the NFL, then bring some rainbow action to Chi-town!!!!  we would even take a switch hitter at this point!!!

i love seeing all the stats that surround football.  does anyone really believe that kurt warner, with a great "QB rating" will actually make it anywhere in this year's playoffs???  Good luck winning in NY or any other cold weather venue.  What does kurt warner have to do with brett favre and aaron rodgers?  I'm glad you asked.  

The bottom line is that the pack was a better team with favre as their QB in 2007.  The Jets are obviously better with him this year.  Either team would have been better off with him in the line up this season.  While he does not possess a great QB rating, just look at the only stat that truly matters....J-E-T-S----9-6.  The pack----5-9.  If anyone believes that favre did not make a difference for both teams win/loss column this season, i'd like to teach you football 101.  classes will start after super bowl sunday.  

As a long suffering bears fan, i know all too well about "re-building" seasons and sub-par QB play.  they both SUCK and are no longer needed in today's NFL.    

Just ask a dolphins fan  (you out there brownie???).  all you need is to plug in a few players at key positions, limit the effect of injuries, and hit the ground running.  i think aaron rodgers was a little too green for this season's games.  what the hell did he do while he was sitting on the sidelines for the last 5 years?  He should have been learning and taking notes from a former super bowl champ & MVP on sundays.  He may be a good "thrower of footballs", but he still needs to learn how to be a QB out there.  

Who knows, maybe even the bears will find a good QB one of these days...

Isn't there a bears--packers game in a few hours??  i heard the pack has been practicing indoors all week because their cheerleaders didn't want to catch frostbite.  

go bears!!!!!

Stats like QB rating are actually a pretty good indicator.  Teams who lose the turnover battle have by far a losing record in the NFL, so if you want to ignore the quantity of Favre turnovers, then I'll be happy to teach you football 201 after you are done teaching me football 101.  Classes start once you are finished taking the Favre load to the face that you clearly crave.

Clearly wins and losses are the important stat for the TEAM.  However, a team has 22 starters, only 1 of which is the QB.  If you want to just point at the team's records and immediately attribute the differences to the changes in QB, then why do teams even bother worrying about the other 21 positions?  By that same logic, how to you explain the Dolphins having 10 wins with Pennington?  Did the Ravens win the 2000 Super Bowl because of Trent Dilfer's ability as a QB?  Is it not possible to win DESPITE a QB's sub-par play?  How do you know the Packers wouldn't have been even worse this year with Favre and the Jets even better this year without Favre?  You don't, nobody does, you can only speculate by looking at individual performances.  If you want to sit here and make stuff up like 'Favre's attitude wins games', then your just ignoring factual information and replacing it with intangible things that we as fans really have no way of actually knowing.  Why do you guys say Rex Grossman sucks then?  We went to the Super Bowl with him and his ability to turn the ball over alot.  Maybe we won because of Rex's attitude that made everybody else play better.  If the Pats win the Super Bowl this year, then is Cassel better than Brady?

Alot of teams in history have won with QB's who have underperformed.  There have also been alot of great QB's who have played on losing teams.  Football is the most complete TEAM game of any of the major sports.


P.S.  How can you seriously say " i think aaron rodgers was a little too green for this season's games.  what the hell did he do while he was sitting on the sidelines for the last 5 years?  He should have been learning and taking notes from a former super bowl champ & MVP on sundays.  He may be a good "thrower of footballs", but he still needs to learn how to be a QB out there. "

I wish the Bears would have had anywhere near as an effective pass game as the Packers this year.  Rodgers played very solid, regardless of Brett Favre.   Great QB's do not grow on trees.  If you think you can dump Rodgers and get a better QB, good luck!!!

I am not getting into the Favre argument, but this last post makes some ridiculous points. Name one team that has won the Super Bowl with their QB that wasn't a hall of famer, or a quarterback who wasn't a hall of famer and underperformed.  There have been 42 Super Bowls and of the 42 teams, 32 of them have had QBs who are, or will be in the Hall of Fame. Using Dilfer as an example is lame, Baltimore had an unbelievable defense, similar to the 85 Bears, and another team with a great defense with a mediocre QB was Tampa Bay. Washington and the Giants make up  a good portion of the remaining teams who didn't have hall of fame QBs, and what do this year's  Dolphins have in common with those Giants teams? Parcells.  The coaching of Parcell's and Gibbs made up for those teams shortcomings at QB.

Yes, football is the most team oriented sport, but besides the goalie in hockey, there isn't a more important position. How has Shanahan done since Elway left? Also, Favre is known for all those interceptions (and I do jump into the Favre argument); he has averaged 17 a season, while Peyton Manning has average 15 a season. A difference of 1 every 8 games.  Favre isn't the reason the Packers stink this year, but he absolutely has been one of the major reasons of the Jets turnaround this season.

[Dan Michler]

Tom, you are allowed to argue why Favre's below average play is actually a help to his team, but these people who say they are Bears fans and want to cuddle with Brett Favre make me want to puke.  Thats just my honest feelings on that situation.

Also, as far as Favre's career average for interceptions, I don't care.  I'm only talking about this season and this season alone.  Favre was clearly a much better player when he was 28 years old and I wouldn't argue against that.