Brett Favre

[shawn]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2VfHnCwLp14 fairly funny ending.

[CEValkyrie]

Unreal pass to finish that game off yesterday! He looks good in Purple.

[Tom McManus]

Unreal pass to finish that game off yesterday! He looks good in Purple.

I am just happy he didn't end up as a bear. That would have been hard to stomach.

[CEValkyrie]

Unreal pass to finish that game off yesterday! He looks good in Purple.

I am just happy he didn't end up as a bear. That would have been hard to stomach.

I am still hoping that he will be a WR for the Bears next year.

[CEValkyrie]

That was very enjoyable watching the Packers get Favred last night.

How long until Rodgers is broken? He keeps taking a beating.

[Dan Michler]

That was very enjoyable watching the Packers get Favred last night.

How long until Rodgers is broken? He keeps taking a beating.

I'm wondering how the Packers fans are feeling after that.  What kind of defensive scheme was THAT anyways?  For most of the game, the Packers decided to not rush the passer at all.  There were a number of plays where I noticed 6 Vikings blocking and 3 packers just standing on the defensive line.  And your best pass rusher Kampman was dropped into coverage all night?  WTF?  If I was a Green Bay fan I would have turned that game off after the 1st half.  If you give JaMarcus Russell as much time as he wants, he'll complete 75% of his passes too.  Turning the ball over in the redzone multiple times doesn't help either.  Going to be a long season Packers fans.  You might not want to watch the next Vikings-Packers matchup in 4 weeks in Lambeau.

[Jon Brakel]

The Danimal was calling Favre "The Purple Jesus". Too funny!

[Arok]

It was a fun game to watch...

I can't wait to see Favre do the leap in Green Bay.

[CEValkyrie]

That was very enjoyable watching the Packers get Favred last night.

How long until Rodgers is broken? He keeps taking a beating.

Great day of football.
#1 The Bears won
#2 That is awesome seeing Favre go back home and throw 4 TD passes. Too bad he did not take the leap. I enjoyed the booing. Aren't the Packer fans happy with their own quarterback? TT said he was not good enough to play for the Packers so why all the hate?
#3. Although the Bears won't make the playoffs this season would be perfect if MN wins the Super Bowl.

[Dan Michler]

Favre goes to Jets...Mangini fired.  Favre goes to Vikes....Childress fired.  He has taken the title of Coach Killer away from Vick.

He's turned it over 22 times this year, but when I turned on the Vikings on Fox the other day, Joe Buck made it seem like he was a potential MVP candidate.

That win on Sunday had to feel good for Aaron Rodgers.  No sane person can possibly say now that the Packers did the wrong thing in choosing #12 over #4.

That being said, my Bears are still somehow in 1st place.  Sunday against Vick and the Eagles should be interesting.  I recall the Bears having success against Vick when he was with the Falcons.  Make him run to his right and we'll be okay.  As for scoring points though, we need a miracle.

Is everybody pumped for New England @ Detroit on Thursday!

[jasonc]

That win on Sunday had to feel good for Aaron Rodgers.  No sane person can possibly say now that the Packers did the wrong thing in choosing #12 over #4.

So, I'm insane because I believe that the Packers pushed Favre out before he was ready to go?  Take a look at his stats from last season and try to argue that he was washed up before his last season with the Packers. 

All players are replaced....eventually.  Special players are typically given the luxury to decide when it's time to hang up the cleats.  I believe Favre accomplished enough (Super Bowl Championship & countless records) in his time with Green Bay to make the decision on his own.  The Packers forced his hand, publicly no less.  They should have just cut him and said that they wanted to go in another direction. 

Sure some fans would have been shocked and upset but at the end of the day, fans are cheering for the team.  The ridiculous trade that sent Favre to the Jets was proof that the Packers knew Farve could still play at a Pro Bowl-caliber level.  There's an old saying in Wisconsin...you can't have your cheese and eat it too.  Apparently the Packers management forgot about it while dealing with Favre. 

Are you old enough to remember when Neal Anderson took over for Walter Payton?  The Bears drafted Anderson in the first round of the 1986 Draft...yes, only about 3 months after Super Bowl XX.  Do you remember anybody asking Payton to retire?  Neal Anderson made multiple Pro Bowls and was considered to be one of the best running backs in the NFL in the late 80's--early 90's.

What exactly has Rodgers accomplished that makes him a "special" player on the same level or better than Favre?  I think Rodgers has to win 2 Super Bowls to justify making the switch before Favre was ready to hang up the cleats.   

[Chainmeister]

I'm with Dan on this one.  I agree that Favre is not the same QB today that he was even two years ago. However, Rogers was seen as the future and Favre, who had already begun the yearly soap opera of would he v. wouldn't he, was closer to the end (now) of his career.  A good, cold blooded, GM knew that if he made Rogers wait any longer he would lose him. he also knew that Favre's ability and willingness were an open issue each Summer.  He made a good choice.  The Bears never had this problem.  A smart GM, seeing that Payton was nearing his end, drafted Anderson.  Payton was never the type to make a soap opera out of his willingness to play another season. He quit when he felt he was no longer running like a Hall of Fame RB.  He had regressed to merely great.  The Bears got a number of excellent years out of Anderson.  There was clearly an overlap but neither back made it an issue. Its always an issue with Favre.  Rogers may never turn out to be the Hall of Famer that Favre is.  Anderson wasn't.  He was an excellent but not all time great RB.  We will see with Rogers. In any case, the Packers are, and the Bears were, better off with the new guy. At the time the Packers made the move it was a closer call. Favre had not yet deteriorated.  Rogers had not yet shown how good he is.  Rogers will be with the Packers for a while. Favre will be fishing or opening his zpper somewhere. That GM made the right call for the long run. It may have been a push at that time but it was a great move when measured over a period of time.

[jasonc]

I'm not sure that Favre was the one who made an issue out of will he or won't he return for another season.  I think it was/still is the media at large that keeps peppering him and everyone else with the retirement questions.  We don't have to read the articles or watch the interviews.  He seems to be painfully honest.  I think it sucks that people can not handle honesty. 

If we were talking about 99.99% of the NFL players, I would absolutely agree with you.  But I think players like Favre, Payton and other all-time great players should be able to decide when it's time to go.  I'm not saying that they should be handed the starting job, but they should be given an opportunity to at least compete for playing time.  If the coaches (not the GM) feel that a future Hall of Famer is not as good as the back up, then watch him ride the bench.  How long would that situation last?  My guess is about 2 or 3 minutes.     

[Tom McManus]

I am going to go with Barish on this one.  While it would have been great to see Brett retire as a Packer, the Packer management absolutely made the right decision in going with Aaron Rodgers. Unfortunately just about every great player stays past their prime. Barry Sanders and Jim Brown being the exceptions.

I do not understand the Favre hating, a few years ago by Packer fans, and today by just about everyone.  I do think Favre is completely honest in his feelings.  When he said he didn't know if he was coming back or not I am taking him at his word. I am glad to see the Packers take it to the Vikings and everyone else they play, but it is difficult to see Favre do so poorly right now.

I wish him the best but he put the Packers in a tough position and they had to make a tough decision, and having the benefit of time, the right decision.

[Dan Michler]

That win on Sunday had to feel good for Aaron Rodgers.  No sane person can possibly say now that the Packers did the wrong thing in choosing #12 over #4.

So, I'm insane because I believe that the Packers pushed Favre out before he was ready to go?  Take a look at his stats from last season and try to argue that he was washed up before his last season with the Packers. 

What exactly has Rodgers accomplished that makes him a "special" player on the same level or better than Favre?  I think Rodgers has to win 2 Super Bowls to justify making the switch before Favre was ready to hang up the cleats.   

Yes, if as a Packer fan you would rather have #4 at QB right now instead of #12, you are insane.  I'm sorry to have to diagnose you, but its the truth.  The Packers have a pretty good chance of making it to the Super Bowl this year.  If you think things would be just as promising with Favre behind center this year, you are blind.

I think most NFL fans can plainly see that Aaron Rodgers is one of the top 5 QB's in the game today (Manning, Brees, Brady, Rodgers, Rivers) .  Understand that if you had waited until Favre was 'ready', you may have ended up watching Aaron Rodgers play for another team.  Instead you went from having Favre for 16 years directly into the Aaron Rodgers era which looks promising for about the next 10 years.  I'd say Rodgers has a pretty good chance of at least equaling or surpassing Favre's championship total of 1.  If you don't appreciate Rodgers, then I'd gladly take him in Chicago.

[jasonc]

I wish him the best but he put the Packers in a tough position and they had to make a tough decision, and having the benefit of time, the right decision.

I think it's funny that a Packers fan believes that Favre put the Packers in a tough position.  I believe the team forced his hand when they should have been thanking him for bringing the franchise back from the bottom feeders of the NFL. 

As much as I hate the Pack, I certainly understand and respect what he accomplished while he was there.  I would be shocked if any current or future player even comes close to his streak.  If the Packers management respected Farve even a little bit his last few years in cheeseheadland, he would have been released instead of traded with the crazy "no trade to an NFC North team clause".   

I understand the potential that comes with Rodgers, but that's all it is today.  Sure his stats look real nice but he has not taken his team to the Super Bowl.  This is certainly an argument that will not be decided until Rodgers plays his last NFL game. 

Dan, Rodgers and Rivers should not be mentioned in the same class with the Super Bowl Champions you mentioned until they have the ring as well.

[pdga#7648]

That win on Sunday had to feel good for Aaron Rodgers.  No sane person can possibly say now that the Packers did the wrong thing in choosing #12 over #4.

So, I'm insane because I believe that the Packers pushed Favre out before he was ready to go?  Take a look at his stats from last season and try to argue that he was washed up before his last season with the Packers. 

What exactly has Rodgers accomplished that makes him a "special" player on the same level or better than Favre?  I think Rodgers has to win 2 Super Bowls to justify making the switch before Favre was ready to hang up the cleats.   

The Packers have a pretty good chance of making it to the Super Bowl this year. 

don't all the NFC teams, excluding the Lions, Panthers, and Vikings??  cause the NFC, any team can find a way to the Superbowl.  But in the far superior AFC, if your not from New England, Pittsburgh or Indy, your most likely watching instead of playing.








But on the topic at hand.

Brett needs to find a way to settle whatever happened in Green Bay, sign a deal, and RETIRE as he should, a PACKER!  Don't play another game, just sign a $1.00 contract so he can be in the HOF, again, a Packer!



As the new head coach in Minnesota, I would also sit Brett down and say listen. I have 6 games to prove I can coach, and we need to see if Tavaris is our guy, or if we need to look at drafting a QB. you will be my #2 since you are 3-7 and our season is over.   If he quit, at least you wouldn't have to hear about sitting him the next 6 weeks.

[Dan Michler]

Dan, Rodgers and Rivers should not be mentioned in the same class with the Super Bowl Champions you mentioned until they have the ring as well.

You don't have to win a championship to be considered one of the great players of all-time.  Teams win championships, not QB's.  This is a really weak argument.  Especially when you consider Favre played on a perennial contender and only managed 1 title in his career.  I don't think you need me to list off some mediocre QB's who won titles, but I'll do it anyways:  Jim McMahon, Trent Dilfer, Eli Manning, Brad Johnson, and we could go on...

Dan Marino is certainly considered among the greats of all-time.  John Elway never won a title in his prime, then won back-to-back at the end of his career.  Is anybody arguing he was a better QB in 1998 than he was in 1987?  Peyton Manning and Steve Young had a hard time finding that first Super Bowl victory.  Had they retired before they got that ring, would they still not be considred among the best ever?

Winning titles is absolutely something you consider when stacking up the best who ever played, but it is not a prerequisite to making the list.


By the way, I did not rank Rodgers and Rivers ahead of Manning/Brady/Brees.  Which other QB in the game today do you have ahead of those 2?  Maybe you could debate putting Rothelisberger in the top 5.  After that?  Are you telling me you'd rather have Eli? Romo? McNabb?  Who? 

If I was an NFL GM and we were starting the league over with a fantasy style draft today, I've got:
1. Peyton Manning 1st on my draft board (I'm an automatic contender every year no matter who else I get, sure he's getting older but I think he's got 4 great years left followed by 3 more quality seasons from a guy who has never missed a game)

2.  Rodgers (he moves up my board because of the age factor)

3.  Brees

4.  Brady (he moves down my board because of   A. the haircut  and   B. the knee injury 2 years ago combined with the age factor)

5.  Rivers. 

I'm not touching Big Ben cuz   A.  he's a douche.  and   B.  he's a major douche.

McManus, what does your draft board look like?  I think if we had an all-time draft board, I'd still have Manning #1.

[pdga#7648]

a douche who has won 2 titles faster than anyone else ever. us Steeler fans will take that anyday.

and, once again, he was NOT GUILTY. Give the guy a break.  ever think that chick knew what she was trying to do?  we weren't there, we don't know the truth! 

[Tom McManus]

Dan, Rodgers and Rivers should not be mentioned in the same class with the Super Bowl Champions you mentioned until they have the ring as well.

Winning titles is absolutely something you consider when stacking up the best who ever played, but it is not a prerequisite to making the list.


By the way, I did not rank Rodgers and Rivers ahead of Manning/Brady/Brees.  Which other QB in the game today do you have ahead of those 2?  Maybe you could debate putting Rothelisberger in the top 5.  After that?  Are you telling me you'd rather have Eli? Romo? McNabb?  Who? 

If I was an NFL GM and we were starting the league over with a fantasy style draft today, I've got:
1. Peyton Manning 1st on my draft board (I'm an automatic contender every year no matter who else I get, sure he's getting older but I think he's got 4 great years left followed by 3 more quality seasons from a guy who has never missed a game)

2.  Rodgers (he moves up my board because of the age factor)

3.  Brees

4.  Brady (he moves down my board because of   A. the haircut  and   B. the knee injury 2 years ago combined with the age factor)

5.  Rivers. 

I'm not touching Big Ben cuz   A.  he's a douche.  and   B.  he's a major douche.

McManus, what does your draft board look like?  I think if we had an all-time draft board, I'd still have Manning #1.

I can't disagree with you at all on the list you have of current quarterbacks- for the regular season. Peyton does not put up the great numbers in the playoffs, but what qb does? I would like to see a few more years out of Aaron Rodgers before I put him as number 2 of the current qbs, or I should say I really hope to see a few more years.
Here is my short list of all time qbs:
1. Joe Montana
2. Bart Starr
3. Unitas,Warner, Steve Young, Elway, Marino, Favre, Brady, Manning
Statistically all the #3 qbs are pretty similar. They have all won some big games and lost their share.

It is tough enough comparing qbs in different systems let alone different eras, but here is a chart of qbs and their playoff results:
Player   Playoff Games   Wins    Losses   TDs   INTs   Rating
Bart Starr   10   9   1   15   3   104.8
Kurt Warner   13   9   4   31   14   102.8
Joe Montana   23   16   7   45   21   95.6
Peyton Manning   18   9   9   28   19   87.6
Ben Roethlisberger   10   8   2   15   12   87.2
Brett Favre   24   13   11   44   30   86.3
Steve Young   20   12   8   20   13   85.8
Tom Brady   18   14   4   28   15   85.5
Terry Bradshaw   19   14   5   30   26   83
John Elway   22   14   8   27   21   79.7
Dan Marino   18   8   10   32   24   77.1
Roger Staubach   19   12   7   24   19   76
Jim Kelly   17   9   8   21   28   72.3
Dan Fouts   7   3   4   12   16   70
Johnny Unitas   9   6   3   7   10   68.9
Bob Griese   12   7   5   10   12   68.3
Fran Tarkenton   11   6   5   11   17   58.6
Joe Namath   3   2   1   3   4   54.6