DISContinuum Presents IOS #5 THE Sinnissippi Open

[jeffthrow6892]

It looks like we have three of us coming up on Sunday for the Sinnissippi Open from the STL area. Can't wait!!! Absolutely love the course in Sterling, been a couple of years since I've seen it.


One question I had was, I saw on here somewhere that winners of several divisions would win a Fade bag, is the Advanced age-protected divisions also included in that?? Just curious.......

See you all on Sunday!!!  ----   

[pickax]

The Fade gear prize is for the "big 4": Advanced, Intermediate, Recreational, Novice.

[stpitner]

as a consolation prize, I will have those bags available for sale.

[Bruce Brakel]

No internet access at the course today?

[Jon Brakel]

So few courses have wi fi hot spots! 

Scores are up! I think Chris Heeren's second round today was hotter than the weather!!! Might be the highest rated round at any IOS.

http://www.pdga.com/tournament-results?TournID=9992&year=2010&include_ratings=1#Open

[Stan the Blue Man]

So few courses have wi fi hot spots! 

Scores are up! I think Chris Heeren's second round today was hotter than the weather!!! Might be the highest rated round at any IOS.

http://www.pdga.com/tournament-results?TournID=9992&year=2010&include_ratings=1#Open

I think brett 2nd round at lombard in 08 was a couple points higher not much though

[Bruce Brakel]

He must have given himself a little pep talk on the lunch hour!   

It should get two points higher when Chuck Kennedy is done with it.

I know Chris likes open courses where you can screw up your drive and save the bird with a 50 foot putt.  He was telling me that at Mokena.

[Jon Brakel]

I forgot about that round that Brett had. I told Chris after he turned in his score card that he needed to play ALL the holes! And he replied "What, I played 18!"

[pdga#7648]

great event once again. Everything ran smooth the 1st round. Few more backups in round 2 but thats gonna happen at times.

Great new  pin placements on some holes I have never seen before. Course was excellent.


Great job Brett, Jon, Mike and all the other helpers. A BIG Thanks to Tim from Fade Gear as well.

Hope to see everyone at Jericho Lake for #7 on the stop.

[Jon Brakel]

Scores and ratings are up from today. Thanks for playing! Sleep now...

http://www.pdga.com/tournament-results?TournID=9993&year=2010&include_ratings=1#Masters

[dana]

I'm very appreciative to the home town guys in Sterling that did a great job on the course and for welcoming the IOS crew in to run an event.  Also, I'm much appreciative to the IOS crew who gave up their weekend/time to run a rock solid tournament away from home.  As if running an event on your home turf wasn't time consuming/difficult enough, running it away from home is much more difficult.  So, thanks again to all of you. 

Scott- your merch selection and prices are top notch, I always love rummaging through your discs and stuff.

One more thing I wanted to mention- IOS has always been known for treating the Am's ridiculously good, but now on top of that you guys have been running some big $ events that cater to the pro side as well.  It is much appreciated!  $600 is huge for a B-tier! 

The only thing that could have made the event better would have been a little Tom McManus!  Missed seeing him Saturday. 

[Dwiggy444]

First of all - thank you to Discontinuum, the IOS crew and the Sterling/Rock Falls disc golf community for running a great pair of events this weekend.  I loved the course (it's now probably one of my favorite two or three courses in the state) and everything ran pretty pretty smoothly.  I also LOVED the Fade Gear bag I got for winning Intermediate, so a big thank you to Tim as well.

But I'm also here with a question -

How does a guy who wins Novice by 12 strokes on the first day of the weekend, with rounds that had an average round rating of 941 that would have tied him for the win in Intermediate, get to play in the Recreational division the next day and then win that division too?  His scores on Sunday were even better (factoring in the wind), were rated an average of 950, and allowed him to win Rec by 8 strokes.  In fact, he would have cashed in Advanced with those scores.

I understand that a guy can walk off the street, tell everyone "I'm a Novice" because he has no rating yet and then crush everyone.  But the next tournament that guy plays, he should be forced to play in a division that matches his skill level, even he doesn't have any official ratings yet.  I don't mean any disrespect to the guy who did this - he shot well and should feel good about that - and I don't want to start any mudslinging.  But I have been noticing more and more of this kind of behavior this year and I'm curious to see if anything can be done to prevent it.  And I know Bruce does a LOT of work with Chuck Kennedy to look at ratings and such, so I'd love to hear his opinion on this.   

[roman]

Don't worry, I don't think Mike will be allowed to play Novice/Recreational in the future IOS events. This was his first tournament and he was not sure where he should be playing. He's never even attended a tournament, so he really did not know what to expect in each division. Not to mention he's never played at Sinnissippi before. He plays mostly open 9 hole courses here near Chicago so it's hard to tell where his skill level is at. His good friend Matt Buttliere did not shoot nearly as well at Sinnissippi, but when they play together around here they usually score about the same.

On the way back in the car Mike did say that he will be playing Advanced in the future IOS events, but we talked him into trying out Intermediate first since there is some great competition there as well and not all courses favor his playing style like Sinnissippi does.

[Bruce Brakel]

I would be happy to address the issue.

The Illinois Open Series is one of the few tournament series in the country that generates ratings on non-PDGA members to ensure fair play.  We call these ELF ratings.  The process requires, of course, that the non-member has actually played prior tournaments in our area.  The player in question does not appear on our ELF list probably for the reason Roman indicated.

In the past we have not generated ELF ratings from day 1 of a tournament to apply to day 2.  We have updated the ELF ratings on pretty much the same schedule as the PDGA using pretty much the same criteria.  If the player in question had been an unrated PDGA member, he would have had a PDGA right to play Recreational even though he performed very well in Novice the day before.  We have tried to apply the same criteria as the PDGA would, because that is objectively fair. 

For the next IOS he will probably be limited to the Advanced and Professional divisions for which he is qualified by age and gender, but I'm not sure how the elves work with known data that has not hit the PDGA ratings yet.  That will untimately be an issue for the TD of the next IOS.

Many thanks to the Elves.  We have always allowed them to be as anonymous as they might want to be, so that they would not have to take flack for simply crunching the numbers.  But their services have been invaluable and are much appreciated.

[Jon Brakel]

Being a lifetime Rec rated player I think I can truly relate to these problems. My Rec rating is a big reason why the IOS started trying to protect the lower divisions from non-pdga rated players. However, if you are a player that plays in a ratings protected division you have to realize that there will always be guys who are good that are playing their first tournament or are quickly improving. A few years ago I won the IOS overall in the recreational division. I did not place in first in Rec in any single event that year! There were always guys "playing through" on their way up.

I think we should publish a short list of non-PDGA members that need to move up for the next IOS tournament. I think we did this in the past and its a good way to spread the word that some people will have to move up. The list shouldn't be considered punishment but rather a graduation of sorts. Mike should feel good that he came to his first tournament weekend and tore up the amateur fields!

[CEValkyrie]

Wow! What a weekend of disc golf.
$5 draw random doubles kicked off the weekend. 20 players signed up. Nick/Dan and Pat/Dan both shot a 45 to tie. Nick and Dan won the playoff and 1st place cash. The Ripper won the Innova CTP that DISContinuum donated. It included an Innova hat, t-shirt, flag, towel, mini, & sticker.

I want to thank everyone who made this event happen. There were a TON of people who contributed to make this a very fun event. There were at least 30 individuals who pitched in.  I apologize if I missed you. We are trying to bring this event back to the level it once was. I think it's headed in the right direction.

Players
Without the players a great event like this would never happen. We hope you enjoyed. Feedback and constructive criticism is always appreciated. THANK YOU FOR PLAYING!!! Congrats to all the winners.

Sponsorships
DISContinuum Disc Golf Club-> www.discontinuum.org  Thank you for donating $550 to the pro purse and bringing the 6 rubber tees and baskets. Thank you for the doubles CTP.
Air Play Sports-> Thank you for donating $300 to the pro purse. Thank you for 6 great tee signs for the temp holes! This is a new store that opened in Sterling.  It's located at 115 E Third St.  815-564-2787
There was an anonymous donation of $100 that was added to the pro purse.
There ended up being $900 added to the Open Division. The 4 masters that played on Sunday got 100% of their money back and had two $20 cash CTP's.
Fade Gear Bags-> www.fadegear.com  There were 6 bags and 2 straps donated as prizes. The winner of Advanced, Intermediate, Recreational, and Novice won a bag. All amateurs had a shot at one of the straps on Saturday as well as the pros. On Sunday the many micro divisions had a shot to win 1 of the bags via CTP.
ABC Discs-> www.abcdiscs.net  ABC donated several sets of discs at CTP items.

Course
I would like to thank the Sinnissippi crew for all their hard work! The course was looking awesome. The guys painted 10 meter circles around both sets of pins on all 18 permanent holes. Between rounds they moved the pins on both days. There are many new pin positions out there. Thank you for making this such a fun place to play disc golf.
I would like to Thank Tim for setting up the signs for the 6 temp holes. I'd like to thank Dan for helping me set up baskets both mornings and breaking them Saturday.
I want to thank Kris Linscott for communicating with me. He got me a list of all the placements and distances.
I want to thank Mike Krupicka for making a sweet map with all the pin placements. Thank you Scott Pitner and Dan Michler for printing them.

Lunch
Thank you Tim McNinch and crew for cooking lunch both days! What an awesome bonus to an event.
Please send Tim a thank you! He supported this event in so many ways.

Tournament Process
Thank you Scott Pitner for running online registration and bringing such a huge merchandise selection. I see the selection at every event but it always blows me away. Wow! www.paperorplasticsports.com
Adrian is always a work horse helping with whatever needs to be done and is Scott's #1 helper. Thank you!
I want to thank the Jackson 4 for sticking around both days helping with whatever needed done. Thank you for all your help this weekend.
Thank you Jon, Becky, and Maddisen for all the hard work this weekend. From check in to results being posted, they do it all. It was fun working with all of you this weekend!
I want to thank my dad for making the trophy pictures and my wife for printing them and picking up the frames.
I'm still super tired!
Results below.
http://www.pdga.com/tournament-results?TournID=9992
http://www.pdga.com/tournament-results?TournID=9993

[JCleaveland]

 Also a BIG THANK to Brett. JOB WELL DONE . Thanks to ALL the HELPERS also.

John C.  Had a great time.

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[Case J]

This weekend was awesome and by far my favorite tournament experience. 

Thanks to everyone for making it happen and making it a memorable weekend for me. 

[Sr.]

Thanks again to everyone who made this happen! Always a great place for tournaments. The people are awesome. It will be pretty cool if they get those temp holes in permanently.

[Illinidiscgirl]

My first tournament experience was great!  Great course, everyone was really nice, and I love my new bag from the CTP!!!  Thanks to everyone who made this possible.  I look forward to future tournaments!