2010 IOS #8 @ Shady Oaks, Streamwood, IL Sept 11 & 12 - The Doug Baker Memorial

[Sr.]

The Bakers really surprised me when they told me they played Eagle Ridge. Very SWEET people as Doug used to say! The concrete tees are a blessing and I think it is great that this will be a annual event. Must have been someone looking down, I shot the best round of my life Saturday and it looked as if everyone was having a great time. Thank you again Baker family, the Streamwood Golf Club and the IOS crew for a fun time!

[stpitner]

Sunday scores are now posted:
http://www.pdga.com/tournament-results?TournID=10893&year=2010&include_ratings=1

I'm glad that we were able to make this a very successful event for the Baker Family!  They really would like to continue to see these tournaments happen, and I made a couple suggestions (especially moving it earlier in the year before people go back to college to try to draw more attendance).  They are going to try to get out to the Homie to see how that family does it.  I hope that the memory of Doug can continue to live on!

[Marilyn Baker]

Many thanks to everyone who came out and made this event a success. My family was really thrilled to be a part of this, and we are looking forward to next year. We spent the evening brainstorming some ways that we could get more involved and help to make next year's event even bigger and better.

Special thanks to Scott and his helpers for hosting this event. We appreciate all the time and effort that went into the organization.

Also many thanks to Tony and the others from the Streamwood club who prepared the course for the event and handled the logistics of moving the baskets.

This was our first experience of a disc golf tournament, and we had lots of fun.

We are trying to think of a way to include more of Doug's local friends who are not really disc golf players. Maybe we could 'host' an introductory 1 hour clinic for those who have never played either between the first and second rounds or at the end of the actual tournament.  We are ready to get involved and meet with the necessary people whenever it is time to plan for next year.

Thanks atain to everyone.

[duain]

Another great tournament. I wanna thank everyone that was involved. The Baker family are some good people.

On a side note, I was wondering why the round ratings for Sunday are higher than the ones for Saturday when Saturday had the worse weather? Assuming the 1st round Sunday was in the same positions as the 2nd round on Saturday, like it was stated to be,  a 63 on Sunday is 915 rated and a 63 on Saturday is only 906 rated. Just curious...

[Sr.]

It was pretty windy Sunday compared to Saturday I believe.

[pdga#7648]

windy both morning and afternoon rounds on Sunday. I think Saturday had just a few showers??

[stpitner]

yes, very calm wind on Saturday.  The rounds are specified to have the correct layouts, although these preliminary ratings are always just based on the round itself - it takes no consideration of the other rounds played that day or that weekend.  It takes all of the rounds shot for that day, including all scores from players that are rated 800-1000 (something like that) that have enough previously rated rounds (I think it's .  There's a slight adjustment for each individual player's rating, and then it calculates it all.  I don't know what they do when the go to the official ratings, but I could see them comparing the two different days ratings and adjusting slightly.

[pickax]

Those rounds will be close enough that they'll get averaged together by the PDGA unless Scott cheats and gives them different layout names.

[Chainmeister]

I don't know how windy it was yesterday.  However, on Satruday the morning was calm. It was a somewhat wet but with little wind. In the afternoon the wind kicked up quite a bit.  It effected the flight on a lot of shots that I saw but fortunately only a few that I threw. The Sunday ratings seem 20-30 pts higher that Saturday.  I doubt it was 20-30 pts windier.

[CEValkyrie]

I agree with Dave. The first round the wind was very little but the tee pads were wet/muddy and slick. Several of us slipped on a few shots. The 2nd round the wind kicked up quite a bit. I'd estimate they were 12-18mph winds.

[Dag]

So I wasn't the only one curious about the appearance of a disparity between the round ratings for the two days.

Here are the conditions for Sunday. Columns are (L toR) Date, Time, Wind (direction,sustained speed, gust speed), Visibility, Weather, Sky Conditions, and Temperature. The message board didn't care for my cut and paste so the columns got eaten...sorry.

12   16:52   SW 15 G 18   10.00   Fair                   CLR           83            
12   15:52   SW 12           10.00   Fair                   CLR           83            
12   14:52   W 10 G 18           10.00   Fair                   CLR           83         
12   13:52   W 9 G 25           10.00   Fair                   CLR           81            
12   12:52   SW 12 G 18   10.00   Fair                   CLR           80            
12   11:52   W 10 G 18           10.00   Fair                   CLR           78            
12   10:52   W 10                   10.00   Fair                   CLR           74            
12   09:52   W 6                   10.00   Fair                   CLR           70            
12   08:52   W 3                   10.00   Fair                   CLR           64      

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And here are conditions for Saturday. The extra three columns on the end are for precipitation; hourly, three hour, six hour.

11   16:52   W 14 G 20           10.00   Fair                           CLR                           77            
11   15:52   W 13 G 23           10.00   Partly Cloudy           FEW041 SCT050   75   0.01   0.01   
11   14:52   NW 13           10.00   Mostly Cloudy           BKN031                   73            
11   13:52   W 8                   10.00   Overcast                   BKN018 OVC023   70            
11   12:52   SW 9             9.00   Overcast                   OVC007                   65         0.13
11   11:52   SW 6             6.00   Fog/Mist                   OVC005                   62            
11   10:52   S 6                     2.00   Light Rain Fog/Mist   BKN005 OVC010   59   0.02      
11   09:52   S 8                     4.00   Light Rain Fog/Mist   OVC009                   59   0.02   0.11   
11   08:52   E 6                     4.00   Fog/Mist                   OVC020                   59   0.02   

And finally, the round ratings for my scores on Saturday compared to what the same score was rated Sunday. I didn't play particularly well but then again I didn't think I played quite that poorly.   

Shorts - Sat 69=801 Sun 69=834
Longs -  Sat 73=806 Sun 73=819

[Stan the Blue Man]

Doesnt the high scores from the advance group also come into play like and example

Chris Dehaan a 961 player shoot a 67 round 1
Doug Buettgen a 956 player shoot a 60 round 1
Steve Slater a 947 player shoot and 63 round 1

and other player 930+ and higher shoot 60 or worse

Also 3 rec player round 1 shoot a 57,57,60

That factors also doesnt it

[pickax]

No and No.

The only thing that matters it the average score and average rating for those that have sufficiently established ratings to be used for the calculations. The online tool can't tell who are gators and who are new so the official ratings will be slightly different.

And for those comparing scores between days, you need to compare Sat R1 with Sun R2 and Sat R2 with Sun R1.

[Dan Michler]

Doesnt the high scores from the advance group also come into play like and example

Chris Dehaan a 961 player shoot a 67 round 1
Doug Buettgen a 956 player shoot a 60 round 1
Steve Slater a 947 player shoot and 63 round 1

and other player 930+ and higher shoot 60 or worse

Also 3 rec player round 1 shoot a 57,57,60

That factors also doesnt it

Stanley,

Every player's score matters equally.  It doesn't matter if they had the best round or the worst round.  If most of the players happened to play really well that particular day, then the ratings will be lower for your score.  On the other hand, if everybody blows up, your ratings will be higher.  At the end of the day, these kind of circumstances almost always equal out.

[Chainmeister]

I think what Stan was trying to say is that a player or players playing signficantly off their rating will effect the ratings for the entire pool.  If I shoot a 900 round it will have the effect of depressing ratings for others.  I am rated 834.  If Brett shoots a 900 round it may have the effect of raising ratings for the rest of the pool.  He is 977.  If a handfull of open players tank rounds it will raise ratings. If a handfull of novices or rec players shoot way over their rating it will lower ratings.  The rec players with scores in the 50's would tend to lower ratings. The pro shooting a 67 would tend to raise them.  Stan gave some contrary examples that seem to me to indicate a balance with minimal effect.  Some players shot well(for them) and some shot otherwise.  The larger the pool the less the effect of an individual player or handful of players. In a smaller pool, such as IOS #8 it could have some effect.

[stpitner]

Feel free to check the ratings again.  I found an error with one of the Open players where it said they were about an 825 rated player when they were really around 940.  whoops.  So I corrected the PDGA number, and now all of the Saturday ratings have gone up about 2-4 points per round.  Keep in mind that these are all preliminary ratings, not final.  But now the difference between Saturday/Sunday is slightly closer.  Keep in mind that Saturday's layout was A/B for the rounds and Sunday B/A.