LIS: Plastic Addicts Classic 5/12

[Ledgestone]

Come out and join us for another LIS Series event in Rockford, Illinois featuring Anna Page Park. Anna Page features two courses and we will be utilizing both courses on the park property.

This will be a sanctioned PDGA C-Tier event and will take place on the following:

When: May 12th
Time: First Round Starts at 9:30AM
Rounds: Two total Rounds

Divisions:
Pro - $45
Advanced - $35
Intermediate - $30
Recreation or Unsanctioned Novice - $25

Online registration will be at the following address:

http://illinoisdiscgolf.com/LISregistration-PlasticAddictsClassic.html

We expect this event to fill as Rockford brings out a great crowd so make sure to get signed up for this event. This is a Ledgestone Insurance Series event as well so come on out and get your points!

Sponsors include Ledgestone Insurance, Plastic Addicts, Goodfellas, Peoria Area Convention Bureua, GRABM Disc Golf Club, Erie Insurance, Scheels, Paragon, and Falling Putt

[Ledgestone]

Weather looks fantastic all week for this tournament. Supposed to be 71 and Sunny Saturday with no chance of rain. Get signed up for the third event in our Ledgestone Insurance Series and get your points! The series payout will be huge and the trophies are awesome!

Here is the registration link again:

http://illinoisdiscgolf.com/LISregistration-PlasticAddictsClassic.html

Come out and play two awesome Rockford courses!

[Jon Brakel]

Just curious, but why is novice unsanctioned? Just an fyi, the current pdga sanctioning agreement does not allow for running unsanctioned divisions at a sanctioned event.

[airspuds]

http://www.bndisc.com/forum/topic.asp?TOPIC_ID=1729


I think is addressed here.

or never mind.

[Ledgestone]

Just curious, but why is novice unsanctioned? Just an fyi, the current pdga sanctioning agreement does not allow for running unsanctioned divisions at a sanctioned event.

Novice is unsanctioned because we have had good success with getting newer players into the sport and eventually becoming PDGA members by not penalizing them for playing in a tournament as a newer player.

Also, the PDGA doesn't allow running unsanctioned divisions at sanctioned events if you get insurance through the PDGA. Being that I am an insurance agent, we got our own insurance! 

[Jon Brakel]

Just curious, but why is novice unsanctioned? Just an fyi, the current pdga sanctioning agreement does not allow for running unsanctioned divisions at a sanctioned event.

Novice is unsanctioned because we have had good success with getting newer players into the sport and eventually becoming PDGA members by not penalizing them for playing in a tournament as a newer player.

Also, the PDGA doesn't allow running unsanctioned divisions at sanctioned events if you get insurance through the PDGA. Being that I am an insurance agent, we got our own insurance! 

While it lists insurance as a reason, the sanctioning agreement doesn't say that if you are opting out of pdga insurance that you may run unsanctioned divisions.

I think its wrong to not support novice pdga members at a pdga event.

[Bruce Brakel]

Well, we have certainly seen that if you sanction the division, MA4s will join the PDGA.  

Not collecting the $10 fee from every non-member player would also seem to violate the provision to the contrary in the Competition Manual. 

[Jon Brakel]

Just curious, but why is novice unsanctioned? Just an fyi, the current pdga sanctioning agreement does not allow for running unsanctioned divisions at a sanctioned event.

Novice is unsanctioned because we have had good success with getting newer players into the sport and eventually becoming PDGA members by not penalizing them for playing in a tournament as a newer player.

Also, the PDGA doesn't allow running unsanctioned divisions at sanctioned events if you get insurance through the PDGA. Being that I am an insurance agent, we got our own insurance! 

This was the question that I sent the pdga office:

"If a tournament is not being insured through the pdga may they then offer unsanctioned divisions at a sanctioned event?"

And this was the Tour Manager's response:

"The scenario can't happen, all PDGA sanctioned events are automatically insured.

In order for an event to offer an unsanctioned division it needs to be non-PDGA sanctioned."

[pdga#7648]

if you 2 are not playing in any of the series events, why worry about it? the PDGA will catch it if he is violating any rules. this being the 3rd event of 9, so it must be okay what he is doing??

[Jon Brakel]

if you 2 are not playing in any of the series events, why worry about it? the PDGA will catch it if he is violating any rules. this being the 3rd event of 9, so it must be okay what he is doing??

A novice player asked me if they were allowed to do that otherwise I wouldn't have probably noticed. I knew that it was not allowed under the current sanctioning agreement but thought I would get the official pdga answer to post here. I think it is reasonable for a pdga member and supporter to bring up things like this. LIS is running some good tournaments and that is good for Illinois and surrounding players. But I think they are misinformed on offering non sanctioned divisions.

Information is good. So is discussion.

[Bruce Brakel]

I'm not worried.  I'm not an MA4.  Why are you worried?   

I am on the PDGA Competition Committee so competition issues catch my attention. 

[damonshort]

I'm not worried.  I'm not an MA4.  Why are you worried?   

I am on the PDGA Competition Committee so competition issues catch my attention. 

this is another example of where PDGA made a mistake by making 'Recreational' and 'Novice' official division names. They obviously mean different things to different people.

Why not just use MA1/2/3/4? I know this has been brought up before. Does the Competition Committee have any pull on this?

[pdga#7648]

I have waited years for Peoria to be put back on the disc golf map. that time is here now. ( don't need people crying about what divisions are there to play )
He advertises that novice is unsanctioned months before the actual tournament date, so those who see the topic, and actually reads it, knows what is being offered. If they want ratings, play rec. its that simple. is the quality of players that much different between rec and novice? I highly doubt it!

[Jon Brakel]

I'm not worried.  I'm not an MA4.  Why are you worried?   

I am on the PDGA Competition Committee so competition issues catch my attention. 

this is another example of where PDGA made a mistake by making 'Recreational' and 'Novice' official division names. They obviously mean different things to different people.

Why not just use MA1/2/3/4? I know this has been brought up before. Does the Competition Committee have any pull on this?

I agree Damon. I don't know if anyone has enough pull to remove the "legacy" division names.

[Jon Brakel]

I have waited years for Peoria to be put back on the disc golf map. that time is here now. ( don't need people crying about what divisions are there to play )
He advertises that novice is unsanctioned months before the actual tournament date, so those who see the topic, and actually reads it, knows what is being offered. If they want ratings, play rec. its that simple. is the quality of players that much different between rec and novice? I highly doubt it!

No one is crying Doug, it will be ok.

This is Rockford by the way, not Peoria. Its closer to where I live than where you live.

But location doesn't matter. Nor does how far in advance you advertise. You are not allowed to run an unsanctioned division at a sanctioned event.

The same difference exists between recreational and novice as any other two adjacent ratings based divisions. Last weekend in Channahon the first place Novice player would have finished in the bottom third of recreational. That's a pretty normal spread. On any given day and at any given course you can have score compression due to the course difficulty and rapidly improving players but generally our ratings system and ratings based divisions do a pretty good job of keeping the divisions competitive.

This discussion does not reflect badly on your Peoria disc golf. Not sure why you seem to be getting so upset about this Doug but it is not necessary.

[Bruce Brakel]

this is another example of where PDGA made a mistake by making 'Recreational' and 'Novice' official division names. They obviously mean different things to different people.

Why not just use MA1/2/3/4? I know this has been brought up before. Does the Competition Committee have any pull on this?

I would prefer Am 1, 2, 3, 4 over our current names.  The last time the issue was seriously considered a couple of votes for colors prevented the competition committee from having a majority position for words or numbers.  

It's like Master, Grand Master and Senior, too.  Master sounds like you're about ten years past Journeyman and Grand Master sounds like you shoot ten down by the power of the Force!  When I'm talking to non-players, I say 50 and Over instead of Grand Master.  

Are these names mandated by the Competition Manual?  It is easier to change the supplemental documents than the Competition Manual.  

[Bruce Brakel]

Answering my own question, there is no rule I can find preventing a TD from using MA1, MA2, MA3, and MA4 instead of the not very descriptive names.

Answering Doug's question, the difference in "quality" between a rec player and a novice is not much different from a pro player and a novice.  I know some pros and MA4s who are AAA choice grade quality.  The difference in score is about the same as the difference between Brett and myself. 

[airspuds]

Move the thread  please

[airspuds]

Rockford is a great set up , wish I could play .  I played pontiac . T ran smooth , I would expect the group running the series will build upon each event  success and entertain comments as to what  needs to be improved . I strongly suggest everyone to play.  Thanks for running events !

[airspuds]

Pro novice master , I play in my own division in my head .  I win every time .