The Oaks-Mokena Park District Course Open!

[who cares ?]

where's nick nite when u need him  ?

[mirth]

Not on this message board, thats for sure!

[Bruce Brakel]

The par 3 issue is interesting. In ball golf a par 3 is a hole that could be aced.

In ball golf a par 3 happens to be a hole you can ace because from that distance a 3 is a competent score for an expert golfer.  In our game, when you are at acing distance most expert players are thinking they need to get down in two to stay caught up.  Think like any good but not touring pro, say, Chris Hutter.  When he is on the tee on a 175 foot anhyzer through the woods with a defined route, he is not thinking, "If I play this right I could get a 3."  He is thinking, "If I run the ace, can I make the come back putt for 2?"  Because he is playing at a level where a 3 on that hole is clearly a bogey.  

When a pro PGA golfer shoots -20 for the tourney he averaged -5 for four rounds and that probably was an easy course for pros.  There were probably no mismarked holes, but there were some easy 5s or 4s where almost half the field carded birdies.  

But hop in your time machine, go back to 1992 Pro Worlds and Kenny shot something like -14 or -15 at Firefighters in an 18 hole configuration.  NOT!  All the par 2 holes out there were mismarked par 3.  The longest hole on that course was about 375.  If you want to call that a -14 you are merely saying that Kenny was playing on a championship course designed for the junior girl division.

Hey, I'm not ripping on you.  I'm ripping on lameass course design and Pioneer Girl par values.  I'm just addressing Jon's question and saying it flows from a screwed up mindset.  

If you want to change disc golfers' mindset, Jon, begin at your own events.  Let's use SSA par in 2005 instead of lameass everyholeispar3insissygolf.  This is not anything you have to announce or advertise.  Just give us score cards with a line under Distance that says SSA Par | 2 | 3 | 2 | 2 | 3 | ... | 47|

[CEValkyrie]

where's nick nite when u need him  ?

did someone fart?  

[airspuds]

thread drift city

god did I say that


more info

Glow In The Dark Disc Golf Tournament
The Oaks Mokena, Illinois
Saturday October 23, 2004
Registration NOON - 1:30 P.M.
First Round 2:00 P.M.
Second Round After Dark

Advanced & Amateur Divisions $23
Pro Divisions $33

LIMITED PRIZES
Pumpkin Trophies for 1st & 2nd places

Throw For The Pies In The Dark

Field limited to 108 players

Free Glow Disc with Entry

Ace Fund $2.oo

Free mini to everyone in costume

Joliet Cabinet Trophies

$2 to Mokena Park District
For More Information Contact
Gary Lewis At 815-725-8964

[CEValkyrie]

This is a great time of year to play Mokena. The colorful trees look beautiful!

[Bruce Brakel]

The leaves were so deep at Firefighters we had to send out spotters, but the colors there are great too.  A guy playing out there said that they lost at least six discs at league, but we did not see any of them.  

[airspuds]

we skipped 9,10,11
to save some time

not too much problem finding discs

saw brett and dan here while they were on a disc golf adventure

how many holes did u guys end up playing ?

ran into 2 people i worked with on the trading floor by coincidence
i think i was 1 or 2 over  

[Cannon Boy]

Played this course for the first time today.  Definantly one of the best courses I have played.  Anyone around the midwest has to check out this course.  Most of the holes have 3 sets of tees and the blue tees are very hard on most holes.  Red tees are a little easier but still difficult.  This is a course I would definantly like to see an Illinois A tier event at.

[Chainmeister]

Played this course for the first time today.  Definantly one of the best courses I have played.  Anyone around the midwest has to check out this course.  Most of the holes have 3 sets of tees and the blue tees are very hard on most holes.  Red tees are a little easier but still difficult.  This is a course I would definantly like to see an Illinois A tier event at.

Neal didn't mention the good kharma that he and his group brought to Mokena.  I had biz in Orland Park and stopped by the Oaks to throw before going back to the city.  Saw Neal, Alex, Chris and Brian? (not sure if I got his name correctly) at the Oaks.  They were out for an afternoon of disc golf and hijinx on a relatively nice Winter day. I found Alex's gloves and gave them back to him.  I caught up with them by the time they hit hole 19 and played with them to 27.  They were going to stay and play doubles and I was going to leave.  That is when I noticed that my car key had some how fallen off my keychain somewhere in the park.  For anybody who has been there, the Oaks is covered with acorns and oak leaves.  Finding a key would be, as Alex put it, "like finding a needle in a haystack." Nonetheless, we exchanged numbers.  I followed them for a couple holes and sort of threw, but mainly kept my eyes on the ground, hoping to find the key.  I had worked out that a messanger was going to bring my wife's key to me.  I coujldn't concentrate on disc golf and was in a generally foul mood by that time.  I walked to the Park office to return some phone calls and wait for my key.  About 45 minutes later I got a call from Alex.  Some kids found the key and had approached them.  They said they knew who the key belonged to and called me.  Thanks guys!!    The day went from a very nice day (beautiful weather and a decent round for me) to a horrible day ($$$ to be spent on a messenger and a new key along with waiting and waiting) to a tremendous day (needle in a haystack)

[smyith]

played this course for the first time at the il st champ. I loved a great course. the land is well used . good tech holes. this is the first course with rubber tee pads that i actually liked.

If you haven't gone to play it yet i would say most definitly it is worth going.

[Bruce Brakel]

I thought they did an excellent job of designing an early 1970s championship disc golf course.  The tee signs with par 4 and par 5 on them for 300 and 400 foot holes were a wonderful shout out to the memory of Steady Ed.  I was absolutely impressed with the course improvements and course maintenance. 

It was like Par 2 heaven and I was stuck in the hell of bogey 3-3-3-3-3-3-3-3-3-3. 

I totally sucked all day long and shot one under.  That would be (27 X 3) + (27 X 3) - 1.  I'm not going to use the p-word in that sentence.  Par for that course is probably a 72, maybe lower, the stats will tell.  I shot one under the numbers on the scorecard.  According to the tee signs, which were sillier still, there was one hole where my group scored four eagles and one birdie.  No one thought to check the Guinness Book of World Records on that. 

"That Reese is a nice kid.  Maybe some day we can interest him in disc golf."  Thank you Ed.

Seriously, a clever TD could design a Worlds calibre 18 hole layout there using all the land and 18 of the existing 27 baskets.  I took an extra scorecard.  Maybe I'll find time to come up with something.

[CEValkyrie]

I thought they did an excellent job of designing an early 1970s championship disc golf course.  The tee signs with par 4 and par 5 on them for 300 and 400 foot holes were a wonderful shout out to the memory of Steady Ed.  I was absolutely impressed with the course improvements and course maintenance. 

It was like Par 2 heaven and I was stuck in the hell of bogey 3-3-3-3-3-3-3-3-3-3. 

I totally sucked all day long and shot one under.  That would be (27 X 3) + (27 X 3) - 1.  I'm not going to use the p-word in that sentence.  Par for that course is probably a 72, maybe lower, the stats will tell.  I shot one under the numbers on the scorecard.  According to the tee signs, which were sillier still, there was one hole where my group scored four eagles and one birdie.  No one thought to check the Guinness Book of World Records on that. 

"That Reese is a nice kid.  Maybe some day we can interest him in disc golf."  Thank you Ed.

Seriously, a clever TD could design a Worlds calibre 18 hole layout there using all the land and 18 of the existing 27 baskets.  I took an extra scorecard.  Maybe I'll find time to come up with something.

I would agree Bruce. It's a good Chicagolnad course with some championship qualities such as benches, tee signs, & tee pads. The design itself is very repetive and many of the pros I played with yestarday commented on how awesome it would have been to be a longer 18 to 20 hole course.

[smyith]

I thought they did an excellent job of designing an early 1970s championship disc golf course.  The tee signs with par 4 and par 5 on them for 300 and 400 foot holes were a wonderful shout out to the memory of Steady Ed.  I was absolutely impressed with the course improvements and course maintenance. 

It was like Par 2 heaven and I was stuck in the hell of bogey 3-3-3-3-3-3-3-3-3-3. 

I totally sucked all day long and shot one under.  That would be (27 X 3) + (27 X 3) - 1.  I'm not going to use the p-word in that sentence.  Par for that course is probably a 72, maybe lower, the stats will tell.  I shot one under the numbers on the scorecard.  According to the tee signs, which were sillier still, there was one hole where my group scored four eagles and one birdie.  No one thought to check the Guinness Book of World Records on that. 

"That Reese is a nice kid.  Maybe some day we can interest him in disc golf."  Thank you Ed.

Seriously, a clever TD could design a Worlds calibre 18 hole layout there using all the land and 18 of the existing 27 baskets.  I took an extra scorecard.  Maybe I'll find time to come up with something.

I would agree Bruce. It's a good Chicagolnad course with some championship qualities such as benches, tee signs, & tee pads. The design itself is very repetive and many of the pros I played with yestarday commented on how awesome it would have been to be a longer 18 to 20 hole course.

That would definitly be an awesome course; worth a weekly trip down there.

[Bruce Brakel]

I did not think the course was as repetitive as some other players did.  There was one time when I said seriously, "I think we played this hole before," and some smart guy like Jim Bassett said something like, "Well get used to it because we play it four more times before we are done."   

I enjoyed the course.  It is reasonably good par 2.5 disc golf.  It is definately worth playing again and again.  For some reason I was expecting more, something more like Ewing where there are several different kinds of par 3.5 holes. 

The course will never be better than it is today.  It does rely on design elements that will not survive casual play, like the various baskets guarded by schule islands and the tight holes in the woods.  Casuals rip that stuff out of the ground. 

[Mike Clark]

I thought they did an excellent job of designing an early 1970s championship disc golf course.  The tee signs with par 4 and par 5 on them for 300 and 400 foot holes were a wonderful shout out to the memory of Steady Ed.  I was absolutely impressed with the course improvements and course maintenance. 

It was like Par 2 heaven and I was stuck in the hell of bogey 3-3-3-3-3-3-3-3-3-3. 

I totally sucked all day long and shot one under.  That would be (27 X 3) + (27 X 3) - 1.  I'm not going to use the p-word in that sentence.  Par for that course is probably a 72, maybe lower, the stats will tell.  I shot one under the numbers on the scorecard.  According to the tee signs, which were sillier still, there was one hole where my group scored four eagles and one birdie.  No one thought to check the Guinness Book of World Records on that. 

"That Reese is a nice kid.  Maybe some day we can interest him in disc golf."  Thank you Ed.

Seriously, a clever TD could design a Worlds calibre 18 hole layout there using all the land and 18 of the existing 27 baskets.  I took an extra scorecard.  Maybe I'll find time to come up with something.

I would agree Bruce. It's a good Chicagolnad course with some championship qualities such as benches, tee signs, & tee pads. The design itself is very repetive and many of the pros I played with yestarday commented on how awesome it would have been to be a longer 18 to 20 hole course.

nice course but repetive. could have been a few less holes to make a better quality course. i felt like they had 27 baskets and had to figure out where to fit them in at. The course is very well maintained and the tee pads were in great shape. the amenities provided were a fantastic bonus. a course can very easliy have both casual friendly tee pads and also have more chalenging tee pads placements for more advanced players

[Bruce Brakel]

Chuck Kennedy and some of the other ratings guys say "par" is in the 970 to 960 range, using the USGA definition of what an expert amateur could expect to shoot.  So par at Mokena longs is around -4 or a 77.  I think you could say that there are three par fours from the long tees if you were being generous, leaving you with seven par 2s, but it is really more like 14 par 2.5s. 

If your course plays seven under to a 1000 rating from the long tees, and you have 27 holes, that is a good argument for fewer holes.

[Cannon Boy]

I got a 7 under from the longs and it was only 991.

[Bruce Brakel]

If your course plays seven under to a 991 rating from the long tees, and you have 27 holes, that is still a good argument for fewer, longer holes.  Seven under is a decent accomplishment on that course.  Even is not.  By definition, "par" is always a worthy accomplishment for an amateur, so at that course even is not really "par".

[Mukey]

After reading Steve's post in the Woodridge Course thread about this place requiring an ID card, I went to the Mokena Park district website. I guess you'll need 2 forms of ID to get a card to play there. Just to let anyone who might be driving there know, I'd be pissed if I got there and had to do that. Who keeps >2< forms of ID on them?