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Yay!!! Well played Damon    

[damonshort]

I had the "coveted" black disc in my reach...and then pulled my arms back into my body...I lost a first place playoff on the first hole

I threw -14 with 2 bogeys on the day (both bogeys in the second round). The guy I tied with deuced hole 18 to tie. He started the playoff hole with a shot that landed about 15 feet from the basket. I went for all the marbles and threw probable less than a foot for an ace, but down a fairly large bluff (for those that know Vollrath you know Hole #1). Oh well, maybe next time.

Overall it was a pretty fun tourny. First time I ever played Vollrath so I was pretty happy. There were 50 Intermediate Ams, so I picked up some good points in the Wisconsin Tour standings.

Great job Serg!  I wandered around a little during the 1st round Saturday but didn't see you. Anyone else go up on Saturday?

[SERG]

Congrats, Damon.

I was talking to Aaron Wield yesterday and he said he's been shooting -14 lately. Weather must not have been a factor for him today.

Speaking of the "monster lake hole," I sacrificed my favorite driver there yesterday. Not sure if it actually went into the water, but I never found it. First round I deuced the hole putting it about 2 feet from basket, second round straight right.

[damonshort]

Speaking of the "monster lake hole," I sacrificed my favorite driver there yesterday...

I've put at least 3 in there over the years.

A final pleasant surprise yesterday was getting a disc *back* from there. I'd left a soft Rhyno on the ground or in a basket Fri nite and while it hadn't shown up on Saturday, there it was on a shelf in the Shack after the tournament yesterday. (Good thing, too, since I didn't want to pay $14 for another    )  Coulda used it for some of those putts though - it was the only one I'd brought with me.
 

[pat]

Congradutaitons Damon.
That course plays a lot harder than it looks to me.  I seemed to be keying in on trees yesterday. Votrath gave me fits, -3 for 7th place. I may have actually played better than last year though. I'll have to check.

I believe Paul Kuffel took 4th in Pro Masters.

[Jon Brakel]

Becky and I were all set to go to the Manitowalk in the Park until I looked at the website. They must be taking notes from Gary. Saturday is unsanctioned. I don't really want to go to the fund raiser for the real tournament and not get rated or points for that matter if I should ever care about points.

Oh well, sounded good for a few minutes on the drive home tonight. This is why I started running tournaments. So that I can play in PDGA tournaments in my division.

[pat]

Played Manitowalk in the Park last and I'm playing again this year. I thought it was a great tournament. Well run with good payouts and players package.
Too bad you won't be there Jon. I guess you won't be playing many tournaments if you are only playing those that are run like yours.  

[discglfr]

It's not 'note taking' from anyone.  It's simply a matter of MANY TD's choosing NOT to sanction events because of the ADDED headaches, paperwork, and confusion.  If you speak with ANYONE that has attended the MITP events in the past 3 years you will hear that it is one of Wisconsin's finest events.

It is in fact a tournament that was RECOMMENDED by the PDGA to move it's status UP to an A-tier because of the outragious sponsorship, player's packs, and payouts they have had.  So, please don't speak of the event in a negative light simply because it's not sanctioned.  In fact, MOST of the WI tour is getting away from sanctioning Am days because of the extra work.

I have run a B tier for the past five years now.  I can certainly understand BOTH sides of the story.  I will say that if you go through the pdga, you have to do more recording, paperwork, reporting, and paying to them.  Heck, almost every event in the state using the PDGA payout scales and pays out well, they simply don't pay for the sanctioning.  

Thanks for running today's event.  I had a great time on a pretty good course!

[Jon Brakel]

It's not 'note taking' from anyone.  It's simply a matter of MANY TD's choosing NOT to sanction events because of the ADDED headaches, paperwork, and confusion.  If you speak with ANYONE that has attended the MITP events in the past 3 years you will hear that it is one of Wisconsin's finest events.

It is in fact a tournament that was RECOMMENDED by the PDGA to move it's status UP to an A-tier because of the outragious sponsorship, player's packs, and payouts they have had.  So, please don't speak of the event in a negative light simply because it's not sanctioned.  In fact, MOST of the WI tour is getting away from sanctioning Am days because of the extra work.

I have run a B tier for the past five years now.  I can certainly understand BOTH sides of the story.  I will say that if you go through the pdga, you have to do more recording, paperwork, reporting, and paying to them.  Heck, almost every event in the state using the PDGA payout scales and pays out well, they simply don't pay for the sanctioning. 

Thanks for running today's event.  I had a great time on a pretty good course!

It was not meant to be a slam. I was told by Damon that they treat the players well at MITP and that it is well run. But he also thought it was sanctioned both days. I was dissapointed to find that it was not because it is such a great course and I think it would have been fun. I assume all tournaments are run as a fund raiser for something. We had less than a full turn out at the Streamwood Starter but still managed to raise about $115 for the Jr. Girls Iowa Worlds trip (most of that money came from cash sales--and I know some unsponsored pros bought stuff and we really appreciated that). I think you can have decent payouts and raise money at the same time. I hear that some tournaments in WI have actually sponsorship. I haven't seen too much of that here in IL and in the one WI tournament that I've played in the last few years.

I understand how much work is involved in doing the PDGA paperwork for the Am day, since that's what I have before me to do this week. I think it is totally cool if you don't want to sanction it, I am just much more likely to not travel that far to play something unsanctioned. As I type this though I realize that Becky and I are planning on doing something disc golf related that weekend. Maybe we'll reconsider.

[Jon Brakel]

Played Manitowalk in the Park last and I'm playing again this year. I thought it was a great tournament. Well run with good payouts and players package.
Too bad you won't be there Jon. I guess you won't be playing many tournaments if you are only playing those that are run like yours.

Well, I'll play at least 4 tournaments like mine this year. I would have played Kensington also but it was 45 degrees and raining.

But my criteria isn't to play a tournament just like mine. I like to play PDGA tournaments in my division. I hope that if I ever get my skills up to an Advanced level I will remember this and continue to run tournaments for people like me.

[kyle]

Anyone else playing the MadCity Open Am day this weekend?

[damonshort]

I was told by Damon that they treat the players well at MITP and that it is well run. But he also thought it was sanctioned both days.

...wow. I'm not hallucinating on this, I know that at least until maybe last Wednesday the MITP site clearly stated it was sanctioned both days; now it doesn't, perhaps for the reasons Terry alluded to.

But everything else I mentioned to Jon holds true. It's a beautiful course and good people run the show. I'd thought about playing Sat myself (when it was sanctioned) and then Sun in Mokena, but that wouldn't be possible or particularly sane given my itinerary earlier that week. So I decided I'd do Manitowoc on Sunday anyhow, but I think it's unfortunate that Sat is no longer a sanctioned event.

[pat]

Anyone else playing the MadCity Open Am day this weekend?

I am.  

I played Hiestand yesterday. Brad Went was out working on the course getting it ready for Saturday. It's looking good and with all of the rain we have had it is still dry. I guess that's one of the advantages to putting a course on a hill.  

[Jon Brakel]

So, did the MITP TD wave the PDGA zone of exclusion, or did the Lumber Cup slip under the radar? Mapquest shows them 193 miles apart (yes, sometimes I have too much time on my hands, don't I?), although I suppose if the course in Manitowoc were on the North side of town and the Mokena course is on the South side of town, maybe they might make it past the ZoE.

[Bruce Brakel]

I assume all tournaments are run as a fund raiser for something. We had less than a full turn out at the Streamwood Starter but still managed to raise about $115 for the Jr. Girls Iowa Worlds trip (most of that money came from cash sales--and I know some unsponsored pros bought stuff and we really appreciated that).

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I understand how much work is involved in doing the PDGA paperwork for the Am day, since that's what I have before me to do this week. I think it is totally cool if you don't want to sanction it, I am just much more likely to not travel that far to play something unsanctioned. As I type this though I realize that Becky and I are planning on doing something disc golf related that weekend. Maybe we'll reconsider.

Responding to some of Jon's stuff at the risk of thread drift...

I thought it was way beyond cool that Barratt spent nearly all her prize money on plastic.  For those who don't know, Kelsey played Pro Women on Sunday, effectively giving Barratt a 200% payout.  Barratt spent 3/4ths of that at the tournament.  

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Get that paperwork done asap and you'll make the next ratings update.  The cut-off date is this weekend I believe.

I think if you are not going to sanction the event then you should just pay everyone cash and let them buy frisbees if they want to buy frisbees.  Forcing ams to buy frisbees, and not giving them their ratings and points is kind of lame.  It does not cost the TD anything extra to sanction both days as opposed to pro and advanced only.  

Isn't there a cash-payout-for-all-divisions the same weekend as the Manitowalk somewhere in northern Illinois?  Someone was asking me about it but I did not have the details.  I'm playing the Brent Hambrick so probably whoever was telling me about it, I just tuned them out.

[edited mainly for typos]

[damonshort]

So, did the MITP TD wave the PDGA zone of exclusion, or did the Lumber Cup slip under the radar? Mapquest shows them 193 miles apart (yes, sometimes I have too much time on my hands, don't I?), although I suppose if the course in Manitowoc were on the North side of town and the Mokena course is on the South side of town, maybe they might make it past the ZoE.

Well, Mokena's actually on *Saturday*, even for the sanctioned part (the 'Am' portion is the previous Sat), which means that the 'logic' in my earlier post was completely reversed, and may explain why the MITP on Sat is no longer sanctioned.

[ochreogre]

Anyone else playing the MadCity Open Am day this weekend?

Yeah, I'll probably play it.  Should be fun.    

[Jon Brakel]

So, did the MITP TD wave the PDGA zone of exclusion, or did the Lumber Cup slip under the radar? Mapquest shows them 193 miles apart (yes, sometimes I have too much time on my hands, don't I?), although I suppose if the course in Manitowoc were on the North side of town and the Mokena course is on the South side of town, maybe they might make it past the ZoE.

Well, Mokena's actually on *Saturday*, even for the sanctioned part (the 'Am' portion is the previous Sat), which means that the 'logic' in my earlier post was completely reversed, and may explain why the MITP on Sat is no longer sanctioned.

That would not explain why MITP is not sanctioned. This year C tiers have no zone of exclusivity. The B-tier would get the protection. But it does explain why there isn't a conflict.

[Bruce Brakel]

So, did the MITP TD wave the PDGA zone of exclusion, or did the Lumber Cup slip under the radar? Mapquest shows them 193 miles apart (yes, sometimes I have too much time on my hands, don't I?), although I suppose if the course in Manitowoc were on the North side of town and the Mokena course is on the South side of town, maybe they might make it past the ZoE.

Well, Mokena's actually on *Saturday*, even for the sanctioned part (the 'Am' portion is the previous Sat), which means that the 'logic' in my earlier post was completely reversed, and may explain why the MITP on Sat is no longer sanctioned.

That would not explain why MITP is not sanctioned. This year C tiers have no zone of exclusivity. The B-tier would get the protection. But it does explain why there isn't a conflict.

The PDGA has been very weak about enforcing exclusion zones this year, especially with interstate conflicts.  And I guess now when I say, "the PDGA," I mean me?  Could be a staffing resources issue.  Could be something else.  I'll try to find out when I get a chance but it might be a few weeks.

[Jon Brakel]

So, did the MITP TD wave the PDGA zone of exclusion, or did the Lumber Cup slip under the radar? Mapquest shows them 193 miles apart (yes, sometimes I have too much time on my hands, don't I?), although I suppose if the course in Manitowoc were on the North side of town and the Mokena course is on the South side of town, maybe they might make it past the ZoE.

Well, Mokena's actually on *Saturday*, even for the sanctioned part (the 'Am' portion is the previous Sat), which means that the 'logic' in my earlier post was completely reversed, and may explain why the MITP on Sat is no longer sanctioned.

That would not explain why MITP is not sanctioned. This year C tiers have no zone of exclusivity. The B-tier would get the protection. But it does explain why there isn't a conflict.

The PDGA has been very weak about enforcing exclusion zones this year, especially with interstate conflicts.  And I guess now when I say, "the PDGA," I mean me?  Could be a staffing resources issue.  Could be something else.  I'll try to find out when I get a chance but it might be a few weeks.

In this case there is no conflict to investigate.