Riphizer Presents
THE 28th ILLINOIS STATE
DISC GOLF CHAMPIONSHIPS
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Highland Park, Joliet, Illinois
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OPEN & ADVANCED DIVISIONS
PDGA B-TIER – SATURDAY July 24, 2010
2 Rounds of 24 Holes on White & Blue Tees
Registration Closes at 8:45 A.M. at Belmont AC Pavilion
(OUTSIDE PAVILION NORTH OF HOLE #4)
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Pro Divisions Entry Fee
MPO - Open - $58 PDGA MEMBER DISCOUNT FEE $48 3-Trophies
MPM - MASTER - $58 PDGA MEMBER DISCOUNT FEE $48 2-Trophies
MPG - GRANDMASTER - $58 PDGA MEMBER DISCOUNT FEE $48 2-Trophies
FPO - Open Women - $55 PDGA MEMBER DISCOUNT FEE $45 1-Trophy
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Advanced Divisions Entry Fee
MA1 - Advanced - $48 PDGA MEMBER DISCOUNT FEE $38 3-Trophies
MM1 - Master - $48 PDGA MEMBER DISCOUNT FEE $38 2-Trophies
MG1 - Grandmaster - $48 PDGA MEMBER DISCOUNT FEE $38 1-Trophy
FW1 - Women - $45 PDGA MEMBER DISCOUNT FEE $35 1-Trophy
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AMATEUR & JUNIOR DIVISIONS
PDGA B-TIER – SUNDAY July 25, 2010
2 Rounds of 24 Holes on White & Red Tees
Registration Closes at 8:45 A.M. at Belmont AC Hall
(INSIDE BUILDING NORTH OF HOLE #4)
Entry Fee
MA2 - Intermediate - $38 PDGA MEMBER DISCOUNT FEE $28 3-Trophies
MA3 - Recreational - $38 PDGA MEMBER DISCOUNT FEE $28 3-Trophies
MA4 - Novice - $38 PDGA MEMBER DISCOUNT FEE $28 3-Trophies
FW2 - Women Int. - $35 PDGA MEMBER DISCOUNT FEE $25 1-Trophy
MJ1 - Jr. Boys U-19 - $18 2-Trophies
MJ2 - Jr. Boys U-16 - $18 2-Trophies
Top 40% will receive trophies, discs, or prizes
Limited to 120 players each day
EXTRAS
$2 ACE FUND
$5 50/50 CTP FUND
Custom Discs will be available
Pre-registration will be up on the pdga website soon
Pre-registration by mail:
Mail in Pre-registration
by July 17
Mail checks Payable to:
Jesse Saenz
754 Rebecca Ln.
Bolingbrook IL 60440
INCLUDE:
Name, Address, PDGA #, Division, & Contact Info
Pre-registered players must check in by
8:30 a.m. of the day your playing.
Pre-registration will also be available at
J-Town Disc Golf Doubles League on Wednesdays.
A pdf is attached with all the information.
SATURDAY'S TENTATIVE SCHEDULE
Registration Closes at 8:45 - 9 am
Players Meeting 9:00 - 9:15 am
First Round (BLUE TEES ) 9:30 am
Second Round (WHITE TEES ) will start an
hour after the last card is turned in.
SUNDAY'S TENTATIVE SCHEDULE
Registration Closes at 8:45 - 9 am
Players Meeting 9:00 - 9:15 am
First Round WHITE TEES 9:30 am
Second Round (RED TEES ) will start an
hour after the last card is turned in.
For more information please contact Jesse Saenz
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get to play a tourny on my birthday?? freakin sweet.
how far is Highland Park from where this used to be played, West Park?
Quote from: pdga#7648 on June 05, 2010, 07:57:23 AM
get to play a tourny on my birthday?? freakin sweet.
how far is Highland Park from where this used to be played, West Park?
10 mins
thanks
Link to pdf
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Preregistration is up on the PDGA sign-up.
http://www.pdgasignup.com/Qstore/Qstore.cgi?CMD=011&PROD=1275671743
Signed up for this event on Monday. I have a feeling it will fill pretty early with Pro Worlds being so close.
$2000 plus added to the pro purse
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MA1 Advanced winner will receive a DGA Mach Lite courtesy of Phenix Disc Sports.
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Follow this link for all the details.
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just registered. hope I can play some good golf on my Birthday. got an ACE on my b-day last year.
IL STATE UPDATE
$2200 plus added to the pro purse
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Pro players packs
$25+ Am players packs
Free lunch with entry
Hot dog, chip & pop or water
Extra food & drink purchases available
Hot dog = $1
Chip, pop & water = .50¢
Players party Saturday after the second round is complete at the Belmont Athletic Club pavilion. All players are welcome.
Follow this link for all the details.
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TAKING REGISTRATION AT WED. LEAGUE
(Highland Park this week)
PDGA preregistration sign-up.
http://www.pdgasignup.com/Qstore/Qstore.cgi?CMD=011&PROD=1275671743
Link to pdf
http://jtowndiscgolf.com/files/League/28th%20IL%20State_1.pdf
Would so much like to be there. I have Saturday wide open on my schedule, but Friday at 10:00 p.m. I will be eight hours away from Joliet, somewhere deep in a National Forest, several miles from a paved road.
Kelsey reminded me that the time change would allow me one or two hours of sleep.
Is the Highland Park course cart friendly? I would regard Bevier as cart friendly in spite of the billy goat creek crossing.
Does it have disc eating water?
Quote from: Bruce Brakel on July 22, 2010, 05:36:45 PM
Kelsey reminded me that the time change would allow me one or two hours of sleep.
Is the Highland Park course cart friendly? I would regard Bevier as cart friendly in spite of the billy goat creek crossing.
Does it have disc eating water?
I do not think it is cart friendly. But others may feel different.y.
Quote from: Bruce Brakel on July 22, 2010, 05:36:45 PM
Is the Highland Park course cart friendly? I would regard Bevier as cart friendly in spite of the billy goat creek crossing.
Does it have disc eating water?
Highland Park has no disc eating water, any water that is there is extremely casual and I believe the creek by Hole 12/13 is the only place water is OB.
I would agree with Tom, the course is not very course friendly. There are at least 4 or 5 steep slopes and ravines that come into play and must be navigated along with many others that could come into play.
Talked to Jesse on the phone this evening, and got my brother registerred. So add 1 more to Advanced Masters.
See ya all on Saturday.
I will do Bag Tags at this event on Saturday. Maybe the Open players will be willing. As I am always being told don't have it (Nelson) or that they don't do tags for tournys. Give the far away club members a chance to get them lower numbers, as we can't get to your leagues after getting off from work at 3:30pm. We paid the dues, at least let us have the chance to get a low # to have some bragging rights ;)
The club has always been open to any member stepping up to do tags at tournies. Thank you for stepping up.
Quote from: Sayer Jackson on July 22, 2010, 07:28:40 PM
Quote from: Bruce Brakel on July 22, 2010, 05:36:45 PM
Is the Highland Park course cart friendly? I would regard Bevier as cart friendly in spite of the billy goat creek crossing.
Does it have disc eating water?
Highland Park has no disc eating water, any water that is there is extremely casual and I believe the creek by Hole 12/13 is the only place water is OB.
I would agree with Tom, the course is not very course friendly. There are at least 4 or 5 steep slopes and ravines that come into play and must be navigated along with many others that could come into play.
if memory serves (and don't count on that...), there are exactly 4 holes w/ steep slopes but I think all of them have steps cut into the hills, if that helps. They're all more severe than #18 at Bevier though - although, in thinking about that, I don't know why you'd bother taking a cart across the creek at Bevier anyhow... ;)
I used a cart @ Sinnissippi last week for the first time in a couple of years; it didn't help my game but the bottom cooler kept me hydrated at least. I can't play HIghland Park this weekend, but if I were to, I'd probably cart it again for the same reason.
Quote from: pdga#7648 on July 22, 2010, 08:15:13 PM
I will do Bag Tags at this event on Saturday. Maybe the Open players will be willing. As I am always being told don't have it (Nelson) or that they don't do tags for tournys. Give the far away club members a chance to get them lower numbers, as we can't get to your leagues after getting off from work at 3:30pm. We paid the dues, at least let us have the chance to get a low # to have some bragging rights ;)
I'll do a 1 on 1 tag challenge or with a small group any time I'm asked at a tournament. I haven't been putting my tag in for the 'entire tournament' tag challenges though. 1. because i've been using my tag as my mini during the tournament and 2. because I have to wait around for the tags to all be sorted after the scores are posted.
Believe me Doug, if you want my Tag #90, you are welcome to it!! :D
no explanation needed Dan. Your not the one I was speaking of, as I have only asked you 1 time. But to hear the same ol same ol every time gets old. You wont have to wait any longer than the awards take, that's for sure. I will have tags done long before awards start!
I'm probably going to show up on Saturday and take some 3D pictures. I think 3D disc golf pictures would be interesting.
Quote from: pdga#7648 on July 23, 2010, 08:32:08 AM
You wont have to wait any longer than the awards take, that's for sure. I will have tags done long before awards start!
This is true. But the problem comes with the players that aren't in the prizes and want to go home right after the final round is done. The prospect of sticking around 30 more minutes just to get their tag isn't too inviting.
Quote from: Jon Brakel on July 23, 2010, 09:09:32 AM
I'm probably going to show up on Saturday and take some 3D pictures. I think 3D disc golf pictures would be interesting.
Should I steal glasses from the movie theater for when you post the pictures to the board? :glasses9:
Quote from: Chainmeister on July 23, 2010, 12:33:07 PM
Quote from: Jon Brakel on July 23, 2010, 09:09:32 AM
I'm probably going to show up on Saturday and take some 3D pictures. I think 3D disc golf pictures would be interesting.
Should I steal glasses from the movie theater for when you post the pictures to the board? :glasses9:
I will put the pictures in a new thread to explain how to look at them. I'll post them so that you can look at them using no glasses to see the 3D. I might post them to be viewed with the red/blue glasses also. The current movie theater glasses are polarized glasses and you can't use those on most monitors and tvs. It might be a week or so before I can post them. There's a bit of post production that needs to be done.
any food close to the course? or should I bring a lunch?
Quote from: pdga#7648 on July 23, 2010, 03:52:24 PM
any food close to the course? or should I bring a lunch?
Posted on jtowndiscgolf.com (http://jtowndiscgolf.com/SMF1/index.php?topic=81.15) :
Free lunch with entry
Hot dog, chip & pop or water
Extra food & drink purchases available
Hot dog = $1
Chip, pop & water = .50¢
Players party Saturday after the second round is complete at the Belmont Athletic Club pavilion. All players are welcome.
awesome deal. Thanks
very nice course. I liked the Blues a little better than the whites for some reason. although 15 from the blue didn't seem like a good golf hole.
I will be back to trhat course for sure. Thanks Jesse and everyone involved. Always loved playing in tournaments that Gary Lewis is a part of.
Ray Hill, congrats. Very solid shooting in the final round.
It was very cool to see Gary again. I haven't seen him in a long time. Midway through the second round Maddisen and I went back up to tournament central and talked to Gary for a while. He was very interested in how the disc golf scene was going "up north". And he told me about all the work they've been doing at the course. He also told me about the latest erosion problems at west park. Gary is the person that convinced me it would be a good idea to start running tournaments at Streamwood, Crystal Lake and Fairfield so we always wind up talking about courses and tournaments when we see each other.
Very awesome 2nd round for Kelsey Brakel. 957 speaks for itself. Congrats!
I think Kelsey is moving up to Advanced Men. She thrives on the competition. Afterwards she told me it was "exhausting" trying to keep up with the Advanced Men because she had to make every shot. And she was happy about that. I was surprised she played so well, since she only gets a chance to play and practice on tournament weekends.
Question about OB at this event.
1st round- Temp F- I threw into the baseball field. I figured it was OB but asked one of the volunteers at tourney central if it was OB and he said YES. The confusing part is that the baseball field was marked OB on the score card for temp holes B and C but not for Temp F. I played it as OB and took a circle 4.
2nd round- Temp A- Someone in my group threw into the baseball field which i figured was also OB. He argued that it was not OB because it wasn't on the scorecard. But also on temp A halfway down the fairway there was what seemed to be an "OB dropzone" marked right next to the bleachers. We decided to have him play it both ways, from the "drop zone" and "as is" from the baseball field. Regardless he took a 4 in both scenarios.
My question is do you only play the OB that is marked on the scorecard? I.E. the baseball fields on Temp B and C
Maybe I missed something at the players meeting but both groups I played with were also not sure of the OB's.
I tried to have this make sense, I'm sure someone else experienced this as well.
Yeah, I feel there was a lot of the confusion about OB at the course. I realize a lot of it was covered during the players meeting, but as everyone remembers it was pretty loud so I'm sure many players in the back did not hear this. On temp hole A first round our card discussed the baseball field being potentially OB. We decided to check the score card, and there it only mentioned the road as being OB. It also stated that baseball fields on B/C were OB. We figured since they mentioned baseball fields for B/C, but not for A/F, that the baseball fields on A/F were fair game. In fact, there was no OB mentioned for hole F at all on the score card. We agreed as a group that the baseball field on A and F was in bounds, and played it as such. The second round I was with a different group and the decision was made to play the baseball fields as OB.
My friend went over the road on his drive on 17, and was called OB by the people on his card, even though the decision was made before the tournament that only the road was OB and over the road was not. He took a circle 6 on that hole. He missed cash in Advanced by one stroke.
I think in the future it would be best to clearly mark ALL OB on the score card so that there is no confusion between group members. Not everyone heard what was said during the players meeting and I feel there were a lot of OB strokes missed and a lot of wrong OB calls made on Saturday.
I thought the drop zone on A was for free relief from the bleachers. I think it said that on the scorecard. We played the ball diamond as in bounds on A, and that is reasonable since there was no outer wall to connect the other fence lines.
When o.b.s are indicated on a scorecard, I always go with that. If anyone in my group thinks the scorecard o.b. was changed at the player meeting, I always suggest we play it both ways and ask.
I should have played hole 8 both ways and asked. The long tee had blue and white markers. The tee sign indicated that the short tee was the red and white tee. I saw the markers and did not see the tee sign. I took my stroke penalty after taking a practice throw from the blue and white marked tee. Not all of the tees had visible markers, but I did not see any others that had visible mismarkers.
I think if I were the TD, I would not stroke someone for playing the wrong tee if it was mismarked, regardles of the irregular ruling that would be. I would just say, well, in that case they were both the white tee. That hole had two white tees so it was your choice.
It was my understanding that all baseball fields were OB and we played it as such in both of my groups. I was unaware of any drop zones. Also, it was my understanding that across the streets were in bounds (such as Hole 9 and 17). I'm not sure if across the street on Hole A would have been inbounds, but it didn't come up either time on my cards.
My group also had a discussion on Hole 8 about the tee markers, but we noticed the tee sign which resolved the discussion before throwing.
My personal opinion: The TD would make things alot easier for himself and the players if they just declared on AND over all streets/paths/creeks as being OB when they come into play. It takes away all confusion and makes alot more sense. (why reward a player for throwing a worse shot over the creek versus a player who barely misses the fairway and lands in the creek?)
In the several cases where the fairway crossed over a street, then its okay to just make on the street OB.
The course was looking great for the tournament though. Looking forward to playing this one again next year.
When I was taking pictures on 9 there was a guy that threw over the road off the tee on 7! At the same time two guys from 9 threw into the fairway for 7! The guys attempting to tee on 8 were ducking for cover!!! :o ;D
on or over any road should be OB period. I was in a group that had a guy throw into the ballfield on F in round 1, and the TD said it was OB.
In round #2 someone from another group said the baseball field on A was not OB cause it was not closed in?? The foul lines should have extended all the way out, and if you were on the playing field, it as well should have been OB. Alot of confusion with the JTOWN rules on OB, but Dan said it best, why reward someone for an errant shot across a road, just because he/she is still in the park?? VERY DUMB!
The Illinois State Championships has a long tradition of calling any semi-occasional patch of water o.b. I really like the course, though. Great elevation. Large, generous concrete tees. Good mix of holes. I took four or five lefty drives, counting the temps. I could see stopping there for a round on future travels.
Sorry for the confusion on these holes. The ruling on the alternate holes are as follows.
Hole A- OB was on the road or over the road into private property. You received relief from the bleachers. The mark on the ground was probably were the tee pads for Sunday's Am hole C was starting. Sorry we didn't think this mark would cause any confusion.
Hole B, C & F- The baseball fields on these holes were OB. The scorecard only said B & C and I apologize for the mistake. At the players meeting it was announced that these two baseball fields were OB.
Illinois State has a long history of calling inbounds when crossing a road and staying in the park. We tried to be consistent with the past. Your opinions are great ideas for the future. With so much of the road coming into play at this course maybe going over would be simpler called as OB.
Quote from: roman on July 26, 2010, 12:13:01 PM
My friend went over the road on his drive on 17, and was called OB by the people on his card, even though the decision was made before the tournament that only the road was OB and over the road was not. He took a circle 6 on that hole. He missed cash in Advanced by one stroke.
I talked to the player one stroke out of cash in Advanced and he said he was clearly on the road on 17 and out. Please let me know if there is someone else your referring to. If there is any other situations were a player didn't cash because of an error please let me know.
This was definitely a learning experience. A tremendous amount of hard work was put into this tournament from the JTOWN crew. The last thing anyone of us wanted was controversy.
I hope everyone still had fun and will come back next year.
Again I'm very sorry for the confusion.
Jesse Saenz
Tournament Director
Quote from: Disc71 on July 27, 2010, 05:25:30 AM
Illinois State has a long history of calling inbounds when crossing a road and staying in the park. We tried to be consistent with the past. Your opinions are great ideas for the future. With so much of the road coming into play at this course maybe going over would be simpler called as OB.
Quote from: roman on July 26, 2010, 12:13:01 PM
My friend went over the road on his drive on 17, and was called OB by the people on his card, even though the decision was made before the tournament that only the road was OB and over the road was not. He took a circle 6 on that hole. He missed cash in Advanced by one stroke.
I talked to the player one stroke out of cash in Advanced and he said he was clearly on the road on 17 and out. Please let me know if there is someone else your referring to. If there is any other situations were a player didn't cash because of an error please let me know.
Jesse Saenz
Tournament Director
No need to apologize to anybody who didn't play the OB on 17 properly because I know this was clearly stated on Saturday. It is not your error, it is the player's error. They should have played provisionally when there was a dispute.
With the 'over the road and in the park' inbounds rule: You are in a no-win situation there. I've seen this exact scenario at so many events. The local player base has a vision of their local course rules/layout and when tournament rules conflict with "what we've always done before", you have some angry people on your hands. So, I certainly understand trying to keep with tradition and not rock the boat, no matter how illogical the rule may be. But then you'll end up with out-of-towners complaining about how dumb the rule is. Again, no-win!
Dan said it best regarding OB issue- lose/lose situation. As far as rest of event on sunday, I thought it was super freakin awesome. What a great tourney and course (except baskets lol). Free lunch, free beer, cheap second helpings, great disc selection and player packs. What more can you ask for. Just like the I.O.S. events, this tourney was very impressive and very fun. Great job to everyone involved. I drove over 2 hours with 3 others and we'll be back next year for sure.
So what's the official ruling?
Follow only what's listed on the score card in terms of OB?
or
General consensus from peers and other players during the tournament?
Quote from: buettgdj on July 27, 2010, 09:24:53 AM
So what's the official ruling?
Follow only what's listed on the score card in terms of OB?
or
General consensus from peers and other players during the tournament?
In this case it looks like it was covered in the player's meeting. So, the answer would be "C, None of the above". ;)
Quote from: buettgdj on July 27, 2010, 09:24:53 AM
So what's the official ruling?
Follow only what's listed on the score card in terms of OB?
or
General consensus from peers and other players during the tournament?
Any time there is a reasonable dispute regarding o.b., if you are the thrower you should play it both ways and ask the TD. I've seen this happen: the group unanimously agrees on a ruling; then after the round some weasel in the group decides to make an issue of it with the TD. If the TD decides you played it wrong, since you never played it right, you can get a two-throw penalty for the misplay. The provisional is insurance against weasels.
sometimes the weasel isn't even someone that played on the same card- they'll hear about it during the lunch break and complain to the td.
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bah. weasels.
A weasel is someone on your card that rules one way on your card during the round and then tries to gain strokes on you by changing his mind. Someone from a different card not originally involved is probably just trying to ensure everyone is playing by the same rules.
I agree with Krupicka's definition of weasel, but we really should let Barish weigh in, since he has a professional ability to sort snakes from weasels.
In this context, the snake planned on bringing it up later when he went along with the group ruling, whereas the weasel did it more or less without forethought.
Check out this awesome footage of Saturday's lead Pro card in the second round.
This is courtesy of NCTV17. Thank you Rick Rysso and your team for coming out and shooting this great footage.
www.nctv17.com
Olsen -
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xNFpiewICsQ
Bennett -
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uYmg1pQeECM
Hutter -
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kFhwZs-e1MI
Schwartz -
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XOHBO64WbqE
I always like to watch those videos for the illegal leaping putts. Hutter had two questionable ones that you couldn't overrule on instant replay. But check out Bennet at 2:10.
Really enjoyed the tourney last week. First time playing the course, which I found very challenging, yet in a way that I can't wait to come back and play it again! Very cool course! Now one of my favorites in Illinois (along with Channahan course). Joliet has got it going...one little thing I didn't like was rule about being across road or creek not being OB ??? Nonetheless, looking forward to being back to play in Joliet soon.
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Quote from: Bruce Brakel on July 30, 2010, 09:59:12 PM
I always like to watch those videos for the illegal leaping putts. Hutter had two questionable ones that you couldn't overrule on instant replay. But check out Bennet at 2:10.
I couldn't get it to stop on the frame that would decide.
Quote from: Jon Brakel on July 31, 2010, 10:33:50 PM
Quote from: Bruce Brakel on July 30, 2010, 09:59:12 PM
I always like to watch those videos for the illegal leaping putts. Hutter had two questionable ones that you couldn't overrule on instant replay. But check out Bennet at 2:10.
I couldn't get it to stop on the frame that would decide.
I don't think you really need to stop it. He is clearly airborne before the release.
To feldberg's credit, once he understood that the flying putt was illegal inside or outside the circle, he changed his putting style to make his jump putt legal.
If they produce an Am Worlds video, it will be fun to watch that. Wiggins looked illegal every time he putted from outside the circle.
Quote from: Chainmeister on August 01, 2010, 10:57:10 AM
Quote from: Jon Brakel on July 31, 2010, 10:33:50 PM
Quote from: Bruce Brakel on July 30, 2010, 09:59:12 PM
I always like to watch those videos for the illegal leaping putts. Hutter had two questionable ones that you couldn't overrule on instant replay. But check out Bennet at 2:10.
I couldn't get it to stop on the frame that would decide.
I don't think you really need to stop it. He is clearly airborne before the release.
hmm... I was able to stop it and I don't think it's clear at all... :P