IOS players. We are seeking some input from frequenters of the IOS.
1. How much does the Am B-Tier influence you in attending an IOS? If the events were all changed to a C-Tier would you still attend? Nothing would change with the event except it would be a C-Tier instead of B-Tier.
2. If the entry fee was lowered from $30 to $25.
How would you feel about a $10 player pack insted of a $15 player pack?
or
How would you feel about a $15 player pack but the payout purse being reduced?
or
Do you care about a player pack? If it's a C-Tier a no player pack option is avaliable. The payout purse would be larger and there would be CTP's to shoot for.
3. Do you have any other input. We are always looking for reasonable ideas to increase the value and efficiency of the IOS.
I don't mind if it's a B or C. I will attend, just because it is a Illinois Series. Being from Peoria, we only get 1 sanctioned event per year. Knowing there is an entire series just a few hours North, is enough to keep me coming back.
The player packs mean nothing to me, but the competition is what I come for, not the $15.00 player pack, although that is gauranteeing me at least 1 disc to add to my 200+ collection.
If I got the TD a place to stay for the weekend, could it be considered to have 1 event in this area? whether its, McNasty, Morton, Eureka, whatever. I don't have alot of room for a group, but 1 or 2 TD's may not be a problem. I know talk was brought up about this, and it sounded as if it was not possible, but just a little input. I know players here would appreciate it a ton.
Either way, A, B, or C, the IOS crew can count on me being there!!
Doug,
I think that Peoria could be a very viable option, but obviously some initial legwork will have to be done to make any decisions there. Stay tuned.
What if we did something like this: Upper divisions such as Advanced and Intermediate get no player pack and a much larger payout, but Rec and Novice - as some people are new and would like something for just showing up and sometimes don't expect to cash, still get a $15 player pack with reduced overall payouts? I guess this would have to be C-Tier only since B-Tier requires player packs.
I think that B-Tier should continue. But the player pack and the payout could be eliminated or reduced if needed. I would still play the events even if there was no player pack and no payout.
I personally would like to see the event with a player pack for all ams but no payout for the ams. That way everyone will get the same thing for paying no matter how good or bad they play. It would be fair for everyone. This would also stop people from calling others sandbaggers cause it would not matter what division you play if you are Am. There would be no pile of plastic for the winner, no reason to get mad for missing that putt, or shanking a shot b/c someone was talking during your throw. It would make everything more laid back. This would also encourage poeple to play open if they feel they are ready to move up.
I think it will be just as much fun to come out and play golf and socialize with everyone. If someone wants plastic they can just buy it with the money that they saved on the entry fee.
well you can do a Pro/AM B/C tier event. To me I do not mind where the system is at now $30 entry fee and a $15 player pack. I wouldn't mind no Player pack and a $25 entry fee either, but I know that player love getting a player pack at least getting one disc if not competing well. I would love to see the payout a little bigger since I am a player. You guys try to do the best you can. I will still be at the IOS.
I would still attend if it were a C or B tier. if it were a C tier with no player pack, but more of a payout that's fine with me. the cost $25 or $30 doesn't matter, I come to play the courses and compete against people I only get see at IOS events. whatever is decided I'm sure it'll be another great year.
i know i haven't played many IOS's of the last few years but ill add a lil input i guess.
- i don't mind a $10 layer pack, i pretty much just pick up D challengers with mine so that covers it. I dont really like the idea of no players pack. if you have a bad day at least you walk away with something.
- i dont even look to see what teir an event is, so i could care less.
- could you have different entry fee options? like $30 gets you a $15 players back and $25 gets you $10 and $20 is no players pack?
- IOS #9 was the first IOS ive played in some time, if you guys keep up the speed of results you had there i will go back to playing IOS more often.
Best option to get the highest attendance in my opinion:
Keep your entry at $30 and keep the $15 player pack (atleast you can get a disc with this).
B or C tier is not going to make a difference. The touring advanced players (this is just a handful) might care about the points, but nobody else does. Having no player pack and a larger payout sounds good on paper, but when you are a 935 rated advanced player or a 901 rated intermediate player, its not so great. Your chances of cashing are diminished because you are at the bottom of your division skill-wise, so its nice to be guaranteed that 1 disc and not feel like you are making $30 donations every weekend.
I'm also down with Kenny's philosophy. I think lowering the entry to $25, keeping the $15 player pack, and then cutting down the payouts across the board is a good idea. At the end of the day, I'm there to compete, whether the prize is 3 discs or 10 discs, it does not affect my attitude towards the event or the amount of fun I have. If you want to compete for more prizes, go play Pro.
As far as the efficiency of the tournaments:
It doesn't get much better than the IOS events, but things could always be improved. I'm a very impatient person. I wish the player meetings were a little bit shorter. I wish the time between sending us out onto the course and the 2 minute warning was shorter. I wish the 2 minute warning was more like 30 seconds.
If Scott had coupons for the player packs/payouts that could be redeemed at his online store, I think this would really speed up the 'cashing out' time and I think it would also help Scott get more cash sales online (your getting alot of people exposed to the online store, looking for stuff they want to buy, who would not have otherwise ever visited it). This may not be realistic, but I figured I'd throw it out there.
Ratings have become massively popular and are the reason alot of players play PDGA sanctioned tournaments. How about a bulletin board at tournament central that shows what score equaled an 800, 900, and 1000 rated round last year? Maybe also include the IOS course record and rating. At the lunch break, post the scores for 800, 900, and 1000 for the morning round.
The past couple of years I have played IOS, Iron Lion, Joliet, Rockford, and Wisconsin tournaments. All have various player pack/payout deals that differ quite a bit. I personally like having a 15 dollar players pack the best but I do like the variety of shirts, stickers, posters, minis, etc. that I have gathered. Although I prefer the IOS style $15.00 player pack- I do enjoy the fact that there are other player packs in other tourneys to keep things mixed up. As far as payouts go, the IOS is already very fair and generous in my opinion. I guess my opinion goes along with the old "not broke-don't fix" attitude. The IOS series is awesome and you guys always look to improve and expand on an already great series of events. Keep up the great work but please don't consider taking payouts from amateurs. What's the point of competing without a prize to shoot for- just my opinion.
Down in Kentucky somewhere, Lexington, Bowling Green, I'm not sure, there is a merch guy that has a brick and mortar store. He brings out a small portion of his merch to the tournament. You can cash out from a limited selection at the tournament, or cash out later at the store. He always opens up the store for a few hours after the tournament for out-of-town players who want the broader selection. If Scott gets the brick and mortar store going, that's an idea that might make sense at some venues.
I think the current entry fee, player pack and payout structure is inexpensive enough and offers good value to the players. Because there are three obelisk hunters in my family, we prefer a well attended am-scam B-tier comedy of errors over a well run generously paid C-tier. >:D :o It's why we go to the [anticipating the moderator's deletion of my post] every year we can.
Speaking as a player I have no problem with the current set up of the IOS. In general I play for all the reason's Kenny mentioned. Its fun and IOS puts on a good show. I like getting a player pack and like pickinjg up items if I cash (as a perrenially higher rated Novice that happens reasonably often.) However, I could live without both. I have plenty of plastic and can buy some if I lose a disc I really need. I wonder if having a few C tier tournaments run simillarly to the Club Tournament would work. With the club tournament its free for AMs because the club picks up the cost of PDGA, insurance etc. Pass this on. Maybe its $10 or $15 for a trophy only tournament where we get no player pack, get rated and win nothing. The Merch table can still be there but is making cash sales with no funny money floating around.
That being said, if this is not a viable or attractive option, I am perfectly happy with something similar to the current operation. If you opt to use a similar format but need to adapt I like Kenny and Dan's model of preserving the player pack and reducing the payouts. Everybody likes to bring something home.
I'll chime in here and agree with Kenny and Dan's comments. I'm a 915-920 golfer (for now) who only cashes occasionally, but still really enjoy the competition in Advanced. There's always going to be a few 960-980 players who will tear it up, and those guys will typically have boxes upon boxes of merch discs anyway. I think making the player pack more valuable than the payout would increase the number of people playing, playing up a division, and playing the game more for the fun of it than worrying about making money back. Plus, who doesn't play better when the pressure's off anyway?
I really like the idea of a $10 trophy-only no-player-pack tournament, but I don't think it would attract a lot of players. As long as a TO option was offered and the entry fee for a C-tier was reasonably reduced, I could do without a player pack anyhow.
The lower entry fee/lower payout model works for me too. Mostly, a return to trophy-only as a standard is what I'd most like to see. In the past I'd be able to play both days a lot of tournaments, but this year unless there was TO offered, that was out of the question for me and I imagine for others. (although with schedules and varioua injuries I couldn't have anyhow.)
I am in agreement with Kenny and Dan. I would like to see a reduced entry fee and keep the player's pack, and reduce the payouts. Amateur players, are supposed to be just that, playing for the fun of the game and the competition. I also understand that the people who put on these events deserve some compensation for their efforts. It is a ton of work to put on these events, and it the same group of guys who do the majority of the work. It needs to be worth the time of the people putting on the events in order for them to continue.
There are a couple things that I really appreciate about the IOS that makes them stand out. 1. Scott has a wide selection of merchandise. 2. Jon and family do a great job with getting everyone on to the course and getting scores on line. That is a big bonus. 3. Mike does a great job of making sure people play in the right division. 4. Brett works hard at adding a couple of additional holes to make the disc golf experience last a little bit longer. 5. There is rarely any issues regarding course routing or who plays what tees. This comes up quite often in some events that are on the other side of the border.
I do like the B tier over the C tier just because of the added points and B sounds better than C. I liked some of Dan's new ideas but those things are not going to change my disc golf experience when playing in a tourney.
First Off > Thanks to the IOS crew for running events.
When we play other events , we are always like " ios runs much smoother " " why cant they run it like ios ?"
1.Doesnt matter to me > already played the worlds and unless it comes back close enough ( one and done )
Not sure if any players in rec and novice care
2. Leave entry fee at 30 and player pack at 15
I usually collect a couple 15 packs and then buy group of discs ( online bucks would be nice , but brick and mortar would be great as you could collect several packs then load up )
If you bumb down to 25 next year and then back up the next , leave it as is, 30 doesnt break the bank even in this economy
3. i think you should be able to comp your volunteers with free rounds 4 spots
add one more hole ( paper work nightmare I suspect )
if you volunteer all day sat free round sun
free sat round - show up up sun to help all day
look for young energenic unemployed inds
who live near the course
ive really enjoyed the many venues where the club has run events
The IOS crew runs the best tournaments in terms of efficiency and ease of operation. Whatever you do don't change that. Players appreciate that more than their player's pack I guarantee. I like the player's pack, but could live without it. If you do chuck it, I would recommend putting more incentives on the course and in the round. Things like ctps, flight life, hot start, maybe a birdie bonus, like 2 bucks per birdie or something depending on the difficulty of the course. Regardless, things that you earn on the course are more rewarding than being given back part of your entry fee to spend on discs.
I personally wouldn't do away with payouts at the end. For me the goal is to cash. I don't do it very often so when I do it's that much sweeter. It doesn't even matter how much I win just to feel like I played well enough to hit that percentage cut off line feels good.
People mentioned expansion of the IOS I think in another thread. It might be a good idea to take your brand of disc golf tournament with the solid reputation that you've built up around Chicagoland and introduce to at least one city down state per year. Like Peoria one year, Springfield the next, and so on. When people see a great product, they'll be more likely to travel up north for the rest of the tournaments that are around here.
Keep up the good work. I'll try to make more than two next year.
i dont have any problem with the IOS set up!!! I was just curious as to if you guys could bring back the tournament at Lippold Park. in Crystal Lake.
1. Am B or C Tier?
How many Ams that play the IOS are concerned with points? Or for that matter, how many even know what the points are for? Seems to me that dropping events to C Tier would just open up options for the TD in how the event may be run.
2. Prize format
I don't understand player's packs save as a device to sell discs. In essence, I am committing to purchase a given amount of merchandise as requisite to enter an event. I understand the sentiment behind the "at least I get something" mentality but that something has been bought and paid for already, no free lunch here. I enjoy having a split of earned prizes between those awarded for overall score and those awarded for other objectives, such as divisional CTPs and so forth, as "kcunning" mentions above.
3. And...?
In an earlier thread, I expressed interest in seeing the IOS expanded beyond it's current geographic area with the dual goals of promoting the inclusion of a greater part of Illinois in the Illinois Open Series as well as enabling the utilization of a greater number of more challenging courses than those utilized for this year's series. I still believe this would greatly benefit the series though I've since learned that the issue is more complicated than I had initially envisioned. If the IOS can avoid the impression of unilateral decisions and actively engage local entities in a cooperative effort, I believe most of the hurdles barring expansion could be overcome.
Quote from: Dag on October 25, 2010, 09:37:12 PM
If the IOS can avoid the impression of unilateral decisions and actively engage local entities in a cooperative effort, I believe most of the hurdles barring expansion could be overcome.
My issue with this is: If you are the one putting in the man-hours and taking on the financial risk of running a disc golf tournament, shouldn't you make 'unilateral decisions'?
Quote from: Dan Michler on October 26, 2010, 05:54:11 AM
Quote from: Dag on October 25, 2010, 09:37:12 PM
If the IOS can avoid the impression of unilateral decisions and actively engage local entities in a cooperative effort, I believe most of the hurdles barring expansion could be overcome.
My issue with this is: If you are the one putting in the man-hours and taking on the financial risk of running a disc golf tournament, shouldn't you make 'unilateral decisions'?
yes!
the fact that this is even an issue is appalling.
Quote from: smyith on October 26, 2010, 06:05:51 AM
Quote from: Dan Michler on October 26, 2010, 05:54:11 AM
Quote from: Dag on October 25, 2010, 09:37:12 PM
If the IOS can avoid the impression of unilateral decisions and actively engage local entities in a cooperative effort, I believe most of the hurdles barring expansion could be overcome.
My issue with this is: If you are the one putting in the man-hours and taking on the financial risk of running a disc golf tournament, shouldn't you make 'unilateral decisions'?
yes!
the fact that this is even an issue is appalling.
Not only is IOS welcomed to run an event in Springfield, it actually is encouraged by the locals... I am at a loss why any group of locals would be adverse to having a well run series event played on their local courses...
We would welcome the opportunity for Lincoln and Douglas to be exposed to more Chicagoland players... 54 holes of disc golf - 5 minutes apart. Once played... you'll be back. Once our locals play within IOS system, more likely to travel to play... I know the BNdisc crew loves to play in IOS events.
Just sayin'.
Quote from: Dan Michler on October 26, 2010, 05:54:11 AM
Quote from: Dag on October 25, 2010, 09:37:12 PM
If the IOS can avoid the impression of unilateral decisions and actively engage local entities in a cooperative effort, I believe most of the hurdles barring expansion could be overcome.
My issue with this is: If you are the one putting in the man-hours and taking on the financial risk of running a disc golf tournament, shouldn't you make 'unilateral decisions'?
The concerns with running a tournament long distance expressed in the earlier "IOS Scope" thread may reduced or eliminated by sharing responsibility with partners more local to the venue. A local partner will be better able to effectively work with the controlling body for the course (park district, etc...), be better able to prepare the course in advance and be better able to engage the local disc golf community. In many cases it may not be necessary to put in all the man-hours and it is not necessary to take on all the financial risk so there is no advantage to a unilateral effort.
To clarify something in my original post, the operative phrase is "impression of unilateral decisions" rather than "unilateral decisions" alone. I wrote this to avoid passing judgement on actions for which folks will have divergent opinions. The point here is not to revive old feuds but to acknowledge them as past and move on to more productive relationships.
One reason that we are discussing changes is because the economics of running disc golf tournaments continues to evolve. Bruce, Brett and I came up with a system that gave a high value of return to the player while covering all expenses...or so we thought. It took Bruce getting out of the merch man biz to realize that we were cutting the process too close to the bone for him to be assured of breaking even on the process.
To give you some perspective, this year at the A tier and Sinnissippi I lost money. At Waukegan and Round Lake I made up that difference to finish at even. The other IOS events I was a volunteer and did not receive any compensation. I am fine with breaking even. I do this for the love of the game, not for money. At the same tournaments Scott was losing money for every amateur player and not always making it up on cash sales.
Every partner in the IOS system needs to know going in that they will not lose money. So the bottom line is that the process needs to compensate Scott $2 more per player so that Scott is assured of a break even point for each tournament.
Currently we offer a $15 player pack to each amateur. At most of the IOS events we only take $10 per player out of the payout for the player pack. We could make up the deficit by valuing the $15 player pack at $15. In effect we could keep all other aspects of the tournament the same but reduce the payout per player by $5. This would also give us a $.50 per player budget for overalls and we could fun more of our 50/50 ctps as A tier fund raisers.
There is a historical reason for why we under value the player pack by $5 but 6 years later I'm willing to be over it! :D
Scott has the same pricing problem that a lot of merch guys have: he is keeping the price of Innova artificially low while trying to make it up by overpricing the Discraft. Scott's funny money prices on Innova are unchanged from what I was charging 5 years ago when I was just passing along the actual cost to the tournament. Innova and Discraft have both had three or four price increases during that time. Scott could get his $2 more per player just by passing along the outrageous price of Innova to the players who want to throw Innova.
Based on the longstanding funny money reimbursement rate, if I were the merch guy getting the same deals that Scott gets my prices on custom stamped stuff would have to be:
----------- Innova --- Discraft
D ------------ 10 -------- 10 ---
Pro/X ------ 14 -------- 12 ---
Champ/Z - 18 -------- 14 ---
Star/ESP - 21 -------- 16 ---
If you need to water down payouts for Scott to break even on funny money sales, I think he should address his 2005 pricing policies. If Innova and Discraft are going to charge 2011 prices in 2011, Scott needs to get out of 2005. And really, why should a Discraft throwing player be subsidizing the funny money price of Innova?
wow bruce, i didnt know that. i bet if those are the prices he went with alot of people would slowly convert over to discraft. innova seems to be taking some curious directions with their marketing. i wonder what their up to?
after thinking about it more i would rather have smaller players pack and higher payouts (if possible)
A lot of people switched to Discraft when I was charging prices that reflected actual costs, which back then were
----------- Innova --- Discraft
D ------------ 8 -------- 8 ---
Pro/X ------ 12 -------- 10 ---
Champ/Z - 16 -------- 12 ---
Star/ESP - 18 -------- 12 ---
or something like that depending on what year it was.
Innova has always charged a lot more than Discraft for custom stamped discs. It has always been a pet peeve of mine that TDs and tournament merchlords charge the same for Innova and Discraft, effectively subsidizing the price of Innova with their savings on Discraft. I throw Discraft. It costs less. It pisses me off to pay more for my Discraft so an Innova thrower can pay less.
Scott deserves more money in my opinion. The work involved is unreal. IOS has to survive. Thanks everyone!
21 for star ? no comment
Bruce's number crunching is correct, although I would say it was 17.00 for champ and 19.00 for star based upon the pricing I have been exposed to... But the pricing I have been exposed to requires a minimum of 25 of each mold at time of purchase and maybe Bruce's is seeing pricing that allows someone to get fewer of each mold at one time...
What I take from Bruce's posts is that the merch guy's costs should be taken on the pricing side of the discs rather than on the prize purse side. That makes sense to me. I've always supported the idea that disc retail prices should be based on the cost. The funny money cost should also be based on the actual delivered cost as well.
My pricing included shipping and sales tax. I know some people don't include shipping and sales tax when they talk about the cost of discs...just wanted to make sure you knew I was including those costs for my example.
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Note, this was heavily edited by Jon Brakel, the moderator, in order that the communication stays clear and we don't get too off topic.
My appologies to Bruce if he is offended that I changed his post. I'll buy lunch next time! ;D
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I put the rest of the off topic posts here: http://discontinuum.org/index.php?option=com_smf&Itemid=26&topic=5305.0
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I'll take the risk of getting this thread back on topic with my input on IOS.
1. Entry fees need to be sustainable for the IOS continue, but if the fees were lower then I would prefer smaller payouts.
2. Keep the $15 player pack.
3. B-Tier is a plus.
4. I liked the number of IOS events this year.
5. I would be less likely to attend events further away than a 2 hour drive.
6. Trophy-only with a player pack is an option I might consider.
What makes the IOS events fun is that the organizers don't get in the way of having a pleasant day of disc golf. The merchandise side of the tournament is well run, things move at a good pace, scores are often posted by the time I get home, and the value for the amateur golfer is generous.
Thanks Ron!
Unfortunately, I haven't been able to make many events this year due to many reasons, but I thought I would still throw in my two cents.
I love the IOS series because I know exactly what I am getting myself into each time I sign up to play. I am going to get good value for my dollar in both a players choice players pack and payouts (when I play well enough to earn one). I am also going to be starting on time (both rounds), playing more than the standard 18 holes at any given course, the awards ceremony is going to be rolling in a few minutes after the last card comes in, there is always a great selection of discs available at tourney central, the event is going to be well staffed and therefore run smoothly (thank you volunteers!!!!!!!), and I know I am going to see some of my friends that I only get to see at events.
With that being said, my thoughts on the threee questions posed at the beginning of the topic are as follows:
1) I would attend an IOS event regardless of the tier. I do not have the time to play enough events for the tier to really matter much to me. With Worlds no longer having an "invite only" format, I can wait until registration opens to any PDGA member. However, I would like to continue to see an A tier event through the IOS. It is nice to have a 2 day event that runs smoothly!
2) My thoughts on this are mixed. My first thought is, as an AM shouldn't we be doing what every other amateur in every other sport does, play without any payouts? It would definately encourge those who strive to get paid to play to step up and either jump into the fire and play pro or work their way up to it. I also know that I have been playing long enough to know that that idea would never go over with the masses. As a parent in these economic times, saving $5 anywhere I can is a bonus. If this were to happen I would like to see the player pack reduced to $10. The majority of players I see at IOS events are repeat "customers" for lack of a better term. The great thing about IOS events is that the funney money can be saved and used at another time. With this method method players can save up and get that disc they want or bag they say and gotta have.
3) The only other idea I would throw out there is that if Scott is going to hand out the cards for both players packs and payouts, why not put some sort of bar code/ number system on it for internet use. With his website I would think it would be a good idea to make use of that if Scott does not want to haul out a half to of pllastic all ver the state for every evnet. This would allow him to be able to not only carry less invntory to the events but allow the players to shop at their leisure as well help get Scott's company out to more people playing the sport.
The last thing I would like to say is, as a fellow TD is hard to make a tournament run smoothly, much less 7 or more events every year. Illinois is lucky to have a crew so dedicated to the sport, its players, and excellence in performance of this series. I am grateful to everyone that has a helping hend in this series. I know that there are a lot of you! I cannot wait for the 2011 season!!!
Whatever the outcome for IOS, i plan on attending as many as possible.
Really enjoyed them in 2009.
Happy to see that you folks had nine events. makes me smile. ;D ;D
I would like to play an A-Tier for 2011 in the IOS.
Ron- Bump for your comments.
1. The tier of the event doesn't really matter to me. I'm not chasing points.
2. I like the current player pack and payout structure. I don't always cash in tournaments, but I really don't care because usually I have a player pack that's enough for me to satisfy my craving for more plastic. If the player pack was lowered from $15 to $10 that would pretty much limit my purchasing ability to just base plastic discs and I would be less willing to pony up the extra few bucks to buy anything in premium plastic.
3. I like the idea of having IOS partners. Illinois has some great courses down south. I can't say I am able to attend every tournament south of I-80, but those courses have their own players that can help fill the tournament. It would give me a greater sense of accomplishment to place well among Illinois players than Chicago players. That's one of the reasons I always wanted the IOS series to cover Illinois, not just the Chicago area, but that's a subject that has been covered many times and I won't get further into it.
I would go out of my way to plan to play a future IOS tournament at some of the courses in Peoria, B/N, or Springfield area. A tournament in Centralia would be absolutely fantastic. I prefer quality over quantity/location. Part of the reason I did not attend the invitational this year is because of the location. I don't care that it's a free event, I didn't particularly enjoy the idea of playing four rounds at a short 9 hole course. Instead I spent that day playing Grey Fox and had a great time.
My ideal IOS locations would include Bevier, Anna Page, Highland Park, Eagle Ridge, Sinnissippi, McNaughton, Eureka, Lincoln Park, Centralia, and Alton. There are lots of great courses in this state. I would love to play an IOS-quality tournament at all of them.
Just wondering if there is a Calendar that shows what 2011 tournements (finalized or not) are in Illinois? Maybe even what is in mind for IOS? ::)
For the IOS, check out www.illinoisopenseries.com.
For Illinois, usually www.illinoisdiscgolf.com has it all.
Will the elves be calculating elf ratings this year?
Quote from: Bruce Brakel on March 01, 2011, 07:58:37 PM
Will the elves be calculating elf ratings this year?
Yes the elves continue to help out in the data mining business. The dwarves, thankfully, haven't complained that non-dwarfs are mining.
I noticed today that IOS #1 is on illinoisopenseries.com. I did not check pdga.com. I'd start a thread, but I'll leave that to Jon or Scott. But here's what is on the website:
IOS # 1 - Dave Pitner Memorial
Community Park, Channahon, IL
May 14 & 15, 2011
PDGA C/B Tier
Community Park is one of the best kept disc golf courses in Illinois. With a mix of distance and elevation, Community park is a balanced course to check all parts of your game.
Pre-registration Information
TBD
Check-in: 7:45-8:45am
Players meeting 9:15am
Tournament Director:
Scott Pitner
Merchandise Director:
Scott Pitner
Paperorplasticsports.com
the above information for IOS #1 will need to change, specific information will be available soon.
Ok, I was able to clear up the specifics on the tournament, we WILL be at Channahon May 14th-15th for IOS #1 - The Dave Pitner Memorial.
sunday am is going to be rough
seger sat nigth at the rosemont
kev c _ kitchen pass for this one or not ?
any idea when IOS#3 registration will open?
Probably next week some time. We need to finish off IOS#2 first.