Club Meeting

[Myk]

Also, about Wildwood: if only 6 people show up, then screw it.  I have been talking about this and posting and emailing like a madman. There is no excuse for a club member not being there.

So are you proposing making it mandatory for all club members to contribute some amount of time to helping install this course?  I don't remember that being stipulated when I joined as a member.  I recall this being a volunteer organization.  Everything done on a volunteer basis.

As far as being upset that more people played a round than worked on Bevier, you're right.  It sucks!  A few people do a ton of work for the course while others just play it.  Do we have to do all the work on Bevier though?  No, not really.  As I recall, the WPD layed out woodchips for us last year and we didn't have any problems.  Why are we doing it this year?

[jim]

Jon, I started a volunteer list on March 3rd.

BC, no, I wasn't suggesting making work days mandatory. You're right; this club asks members to volunteer time and money sometimes.  It is never mandatory. But with such low turnouts, I think it is time to put the squeeze on some members who don't show up to help much. We at least need to let them know the NEED for volunteering.  

The Wkgn Pk Dist has never spread woodchips for us.  They've always just dumped them on one hole or another, which is fine. It has always been me and other volunteers who have spread them out.

Maybe some members simply don't realize how much time and energy a few of us have been donating.  Lets see.......  In 2003, I worked at:
3 Fairfield work days @ 4 hours each time = 12 hours
3 Bevier work days at approx 5 hrs each day = 15 hours
Twin Lakes - 10 hours, plus another 5 hours designing the layout at home using blueprints.  OK, 12 + 15 + 10 + 5 = 42 total volunteer hours.  Oh yeah, and i don't get compensated for running tourneys either, which can take up to 40 hours planning time.

Others have done a LOT as well, but I can't speak for them 'cuz I don't know specifics.  But that is what a club like ours is all about.  The Callahan family LOVES what we do at Bevier.  They have no interest in playing, or time to volunteer.  They gave a ton of cash a few years ago.  DISContinuum uses that cash (through the WPD) to improve disc golf at Bevier. We built a relationship with the Callahans and the WPD. Wildwood saw this.  Wildwood spoke to WPD about us specifically.  We have a great reputation because a few people work their butts off.  Now we need to ask/beg/plead for members to come out and help for 2 days.  Fine!  I'll beg!  As long as we get Twin Lakes Course in the ground, I'll do whatever it takes to make sure we act with integrity and follow through on our committments.

[Jon Brakel]

Jon, I started a volunteer list on March 3rd.

Well then, if I am welcome again at your work days, then me and my usual work ethic will be there on Saturday April 17th. I'll probably come by on my way home from leagues also on Sunday.

[Jon Brakel]

As far as being upset that more people played a round than worked on Bevier, you're right.  It sucks!

I don't think it sucks. Bruce, Brett and I planned on getting together before that work day was planned in order to take a look at some possible safari holes. We decided to make a bag tag and posted it before the Bevier work day was scheduled.

Last year Shawn kept promoting an event that was on the same day as a pre-scheduled club work day. I said something about it and was chastised because Shawn was promoting a good disc golf event. Whatever.

[Myk]

Jon, let me start by apologizing.  I'm not chastizing anyone for anything.  Jim was right though, it did suck to be there and not have enough people to do work.  It's not your, or anyone elses, that no one showed up for the workday.  It just sucks that no one showed up, that's all.  Sorry if I didn't make that clear enough in the first post.

[mirth]

Children, play nice.

Jim - Thanks for all your hard work putting together this new course plus everything you've done in the past.

In fact, thanks to everyone who's ever volunteered to help out at a club event, leagues, workday, park meeting.... Without the continued support of our volunteers we wouldn't be half as good as we are today.

The only thing I'm going to comment directly towards these exchanges re: Wildwood is that one should always plan for the worst case & not the best case. We all know that provided we have the proper equipment & enough volunteers this course can go in over a weekend. We also know what our past turnout of volunteers has been.
Some people just like to play & not do a lot of work. That's fine in my book. What we need to do is find out how to motivate our current and past members to the point where they want[b/] to volunteer. We can't make anyone do anything....

[Jon Brakel]

Jon, let me start by apologizing.  I'm not chastizing anyone for anything.  Jim was right though, it did suck to be there and not have enough people to do work.  It's not your, or anyone elses, that no one showed up for the workday.  It just sucks that no one showed up, that's all.  Sorry if I didn't make that clear enough in the first post.

I'm sorry also. We're cool.

[mirth]

I for one plan on renting a powered auger if one won't be available. I've used manual post hole diggers back in my boy scout days & those things suck for digging holes for anything larger than a large fence pole!

Food for thought - We should prolly notify the diggers' hotline just on the odd chance there is a power, phone, or gas line buried near where we're working.

[jim]

Thanks for the support Jon.  I'll move the list to its own thread and possibly put a link in the news page on the website.

I'm not chastising either. I just want everyone to know the need for lots of help on April 17th and 18th in Wildwood.  Any help in spreading the word is greatly appreciated!

Mirth, you are SO SMART - I didn't even THINK of things connected to digging. I'll mention it to Chuck tonight.  Oh yeah, gotta go!    

[mirth]

Yup, see you there!

[mirth]

Okay, hopefully this thread will die soon after this reply.

Jim & I had a very good meeting with WWPD tonight. The tee signs are going to look awesome! Jim's hole artwork looks very good also. I think that once the course has been installed it will be an accomplishment to be proud of.

Here's what my meager note taking skills captured from tonight, I'm sure Jim will have more that I missed as well as fill in some holes...

WWPD will have a gas auger for us to use. By the sounds of it, this ain't your daddy's gas auger either. Something about hydraulics, easy to use, $3k machine.... Anyhow, its an insurance replacement from their recent fire but they got this one with the course installation specifically in mind.

WWPD will also be delivering loads of sand & woodchips to each tee area. We'll most likely still have to move the sand & chips into the tee boxes, but we won't have to go too far to get the materials.

Speaking of tee boxes, the wood has already been cut & it sounded like Paul (?) will be assembling the tee boxes in the coming weeks.

The tee boxes will be secured to the ground using rebar stakes in the corners of the long sides. The baskets will also be double staked with rebar.

All 9 baskets have been received & one has been built. WWPD is going to put a bolt or some other piece of metal through the bottom 2" of the anchor pole to make it more difficult to break out of its concrete mooring.


So, thats it in a nutshell. Definately not as dire as the worst case scenario but volunteers will certainly be needed!

[CEValkyrie]

Thanks for that reply. That pretty much addresses my concerns. With that equipment and matierials being delivered close to each tee, the work is much more manageable.  

[Guest]

Pardon me for not interpreting too well, but are the tee boxes going to be wood-chipped or concrete?

Reason I'm asking: We had a hell of a time pouring the concrete pads at Parkside. We had the volunteers, but not necessarily volunteers who have poured concrete or knew how to "finish" concrete. We had pads settling before we could finish them. There's definitely a need for manpower if this is the case. I'll do my best to make it down there.

Don't mean to stir up anything more...just a concern from a past experience.

[SERG]

Pardon me for not interpreting too well, but are the tee boxes going to be wood-chipped or concrete?

Reason I'm asking: We had a hell of a time pouring the concrete pads at Parkside. We had the volunteers, but not necessarily volunteers who have poured concrete or knew how to "finish" concrete. We had pads settling before we could finish them. There's definitely a need for manpower if this is the case. I'll do my best to make it down there.

Don't mean to stir up anything more...just a concern from a past experience.

Sorry, didn't know I wasn't logged in.

[Myk]

Woodchips on the pads for right now.

[mirth]

To expand on that, I believe its going to be 5" of woodchips on top of a 1" layer of sand. I'm not entirely sure, but I think that's covered in the course thread.

[jim]

The concrete pads at Parkside were TOUGH!  
I was inexperienced with concrete, but learned fast..........  

Yes, Mirth is correct.
Teepads will be 4'x8' x 6" deep. 2x6' planks will be screwed together to make the form. The long sides will be rebarred into the ground for stability.
There will be 1" of sand as a base with 5" of woodchips on top.
The top of the teepad will be flush level with the ground.

If the course gets frequent use, no vandalism, and positive marks, it is possible that the teepads will be upgraded in the future (to crushed limestone perhaps).

[SERG]

Thanks.