Fairfield Park

[CEValkyrie]

Hey all, I've been playign disc golf for only a number of months now and just played at Fairfield this past weekend. I've only played at Adler previously, but I reallly liked Fairfield and I'm just curious, does anyone know the pars for holes/course? There aren't any sign posts, as I'm sure you all know, or anything saying(except a map(from this website) on the bulliten board at the start, that showed the lengths of the holes),  and so my friends and I were just sort of winging it and wound up just keeping track of total throws. It's not a big deal of course, just something we're curious about.

It's a long discussion & if you check the PDGA Discussion Board you can read all about par & disc golf. www.pdga.com

Par is set at 3 for all holes @ Fairfield. #18 could be a true par 4 but is still played at Par 3. If you've only been playing a few months, I would play all the holes as par 4 except, 8,17, & 18 or continue to just keep track of total score to see if you are improving.

Thanks for stopping  by the message board & welcome!

[Greg]

Alright, heh...we certainly didn't do as well as we thought we were doing then. Thank you very much, I greatly appriciate it.

[Jon Brakel]

At this point in the evolution of disc golf there is no definition for par. Most of us play most courses as all par threes, but keeping track of total throws is really the best way to record your score. Most parks put up pars that are not based on current skill levels of top players.

[CEValkyrie]

Alright, heh...we certainly didn't do as well as we thought we were doing then. Thank you very much, I greatly appriciate it.

Don't get discouraged. Disc golf is a game you can rapidly advance as long as you keep throwing. Continue to keep score & don't worry about par. You will see imporvement in your game if you continue to play. Try to play with people that are throwing well. Ask them questions & watch them. That is how I learned.  

[Brian]

Don't get discouraged. Disc golf is a game you can rapidly advance as long as you keep throwing. Continue to keep score & don't worry about par. You will see imporvement in your game if you continue to play. Try to play with people that are throwing well. Ask them questions & watch them. That is how I learned.

I cannot stress that enough.  My game has improved by 100% just from playing with the Crystal Lake crew.  Also I would recommend that you play in leagues.  Do not look at it as a potential $5 loss, but as a $5 lesson.  Watch the forms that the top players use and find a form that works the best for you.

[Mangler]

Play Par 3 on every Course it evens out for the most part.. keeps it easy to keep score but in conversation it could get difficult when comparing scores over or under par when different scales exist. Changing a par because of skill level is a bad Idea, then when would some one play par at a course like ADLER Par 18 for nine or 36 because Im a beginner ? 18 at Fairfield is par 4 but you have to stay at three because of easier par threes on course.
Plus lets get to the real question Who wins in a fight Barry or Vijay, K.C or Tiger, Annika or J.Korver, Cam T or J Daley ? crooked soft or eddie.... ?

[Eddie311]

Play Par 3 on every Course it evens out for the most part.. keeps it easy to keep score but in conversation it could get difficult when comparing scores over or under par when different scales exist. Changing a par because of skill level is a bad Idea, then when would some one play par at a course like ADLER Par 18 for nine or 36 because Im a beginner ? 18 at Fairfield is par 4 but you have to stay at three because of easier par threes on course.
Plus lets get to the real question Who wins in a fight Barry or Vijay, K.C or Tiger, Annika or J.Korver, Cam T or J Daley ? crooked soft or eddie.... ?

lol me hands down  

[tree]

I think they were saying that a beginner could compare par of 4 on each hole to the skills of a more advanced player getting 3's on each hole. (I think they'd get scared if you told them that some people get 2's and aces on some of those holes!)

[CrookedSuperSoftWizard]

Play Par 3 on every Course it evens out for the most part.. keeps it easy to keep score but in conversation it could get difficult when comparing scores over or under par when different scales exist. Changing a par because of skill level is a bad Idea, then when would some one play par at a course like ADLER Par 18 for nine or 36 because Im a beginner ? 18 at Fairfield is par 4 but you have to stay at three because of easier par threes on course.
Plus lets get to the real question Who wins in a fight Barry or Vijay, K.C or Tiger, Annika or J.Korver, Cam T or J Daley ? crooked soft or eddie.... ?

lol me hands down

lol ya right i would touch your knee and u would go down crying like a little bitch

[CEValkyrie]

Before leagues tonight I took some chain out & tested it on basket 18. I think I found an easy way to add the chains & it seem to be effective.These are not magic chains. Any putt that hits high, right, or left still deflect out. The design of the old Discatchers is brutal. These chains however do help when a disc hits dead center and turns. Rather than blasting thru, these seem to catch those. The players liked it so far. I'll keep those on there for a while & see what they say. If that works, we have enough chain to do 16 baskets. I'll skip #8 & #17 since those are the shortest holes on the course. it should only take an hour or so the way I configured them. It takes no cutting of the chains.  

[Jon Brakel]

Nice work Brett. If you need help with the other 15, let me know.

[Mangler]

Im surprised that no one or group has proposed enhancements to Round Lake about Fairfield 18...
Grass cutting and mainatainance is one issue but solid enhancements are another.

A solid theme should be developed for 2005 on just the way that the grass (pasture, open space will be addressed) a more creative cutting pattern should be implemented. Create more landing area and less short grass fairway.

Also why cant other collars be planted for optional pin placements ?
Also alternate tee box's
Pour 3 to 5 concrete tee pads.
Plant trees and or tall pines from other park locations to prime out certain holes like #8 or #2 or #4 or #5.
Park Benches.
Shelter
Public Telephone.
Real Toilets
Redesign short forest holes.


The course is ready to rock, it needs some enhancements.  

[Jon Brakel]

Im surprised that no one or group has proposed enhancements to Round Lake about Fairfield 18...
Grass cutting and mainatainance is one issue but solid enhancements are another.

A solid theme should be developed for 2005 on just the way that the grass (pasture, open space will be addressed) a more creative cutting pattern should be implemented. Create more landing area and less short grass fairway.

Also why cant other collars be planted for optional pin placements ?
Also alternate tee box's
Pour 3 to 5 concrete tee pads.
Plant trees and or tall pines from other park locations to prime out certain holes like #8 or #2 or #4 or #5.
Park Benches.
Shelter
Public Telephone.
Real Toilets
Redesign short forest holes.


The course is ready to rock, it needs some enhancements.

Why do you think that these ideas have not been pursued with the Round Lake Area Park District?

Other than a public telephone I think all of those ideas were presented to RLAPD two years ago. It all comes down to money. We have not been successful in getting any funds budgeted for the course. There are some improvements that the park board is not interested in even if it is for free.

[Dan Michler]

Concrete Tees?  Some trees?  Awesome ideas Mangler!!!!!!!!!  That'll make Fairfield so much better.  I knew something was missing out there, but neither me nor any other club members have quite been able to put our finger on it.

[Mangler]

I dont live in Round Lake so maybe Im overstepping. But If I did live in town The course would be in better shape plus it would have a better future.


enhancements are low cost measures. Money is not a valid stumbling block. Effort is the deciding factor.

For instance..If enhancements are or have been proposed why not take it one hole at a time start at 1 when it is right go to 2 etc.

Round Lake can benefit itself if it focuses on making it happen. They have property and resources that can be used to make it happen.

Plus who is in charge of making the course better not of just keeping it viable.

They would understand that providing a better course is good for everyone.

[Dan Michler]

How is money not a valid stumbling block?  Does that mean that you are going to make a donation to RLPD to install cement tees?  As Jon stated, all of your suggested improvements have already been suggested to RLPD.  I'm sure if Mangler lived in Round Lake that RLPD would make these improvements happen, but its unfortunate for us all that he doesn't.  As it is, I know that efforts were made last summer to improve the course and tee pads.  They still aren't cement, but I think that they are better than they were.

[mirth]

I think they do realise that, however their staff numbers in the tens of people versus hundreds.


You're right, Mangler - Money isn't the whole issue, since they have turned down offers of FREE potential improvements. They have said numerous times that they're interested in doing little to improve the current layout.

[Jon Brakel]

I dont live in Round Lake so maybe Im overstepping. But If I did live in town The course would be in better shape plus it would have a better future.


enhancements are low cost measures. Money is not a valid stumbling block. Effort is the deciding factor.

For instance..If enhancements are or have been proposed why not take it one hole at a time start at 1 when it is right go to 2 etc.

Round Lake can benefit itself if it focuses on making it happen. They have property and resources that can be used to make it happen.

Plus who is in charge of making the course better not of just keeping it viable.

They would understand that providing a better course is good for everyone.

Brett, Jim, myself and a few others have done a lot of work on the course in the last 2 years. Before that it was neglected. We have told the RLAPD that we can probably get some free trees and/or bushes to improve some of the open holes. They turned that idea down. They don't want any planted in the open areas. We have offered the labor and/or money to do cement tees. They turned that offer down. We have offered to design some course changes to make the course more challenging and fun plus the labor to change it. Again this was turned down. They are not interested in making ANY changes to the course. You are misinformed if you think we are not doing something about the course. If you have ideas on how to better approach the RLAPD, then please come to a meeting to discuss it.

Brett, Dan and I spent several days this year regrooming the tees, spreading wood chips, and other maintenance work that the RLAPD does support and help with. You are welcome to join us next summer if you'd like to help make the course better.

[Mangler]

You guys need a big Thank You !
Im ignorant.
I spent a good part of my time at Mundelin Picking up Trash yesterday.
I would like to give some man hours for 2005 so please keep me informed.

[airspuds]

how about some fake trees on some of the early holes

could they be installed (or put in just for the tournament)

i bet u could pick some up cheap after xmas or
at garage sales