Learning Backhand

[DougEDawg]

I'm having bad flashbacks of my college physics courses!!!  

[airspuds]

you went to class  ?

[DougEDawg]

In body.

[DougEDawg]

I went to the third hole at Adler to practice with the advice I got from you guys.  I threw six Aviars and one ROC.  I worked on low speed throws, and was able to keep about 5 out of 7 in the fairway on a consistant basis.  I was still quite a bit short of 250 feet (I was hitting between 200 and 225 consistently), but I was happy with my progress.  I actually encountered the opposite situation as I mentioned earlier in this topic.  I am now having a hard time turning the discs over.  I seem to get a little turn over at the beginning, but for most of the distance the discs are hyzering.  I know now that I need more spin to get them to turn over for a longer period of time.

Any advice?

[CEValkyrie]

Your problem is very similar to what I had going on. I would turn them over a lot because i'd over muscle them. I then tried to change my form & was "babying" them. Basically I was throwing them without the power & very gentle. They would hyzer the whole way. Try to throw them hyzer so they flip up flat. It will take a while to figure out that angle. You still have to throw them with a lot of power but work on that clean smooth release at the same time. Hope this helps.

[DougEDawg]

By "throwing them hyzer", I assume you mean release them at a hyzer angle.  That way I can put a little more speed on them, and they should turn over for a longer period of time.

Thanks Brett.  I'll try that as soon as the weather allows.

[CEValkyrie]

By "throwing them hyzer", I assume you mean release them at a hyzer angle.  That way I can put a little more speed on them, and they should turn over for a longer period of time.

Thanks Brett.  I'll try that as soon as the weather allows.

Yes, throw them with hyzer angle and with good power. They should pop flat and ride a long ways straight. My orange putter will pop flat and stay straight the entire length of it's flight. It's fairly beat up. My white putter is super beat and will turn into a sharp anhyzer. It's perfect for hole #15 at Fairfield.  One thing that improved my game this year was playing catch with a putter. At Worlds we played catch every day to warm up before rounds. It improved my putter throwing tremendously. I play catch as much as possible now.  

[DougEDawg]

Thanks Brett.  Do you consider an Aviar a putter?  I use one as my putter.

[CEValkyrie]

Thanks Brett.  Do you consider an Aviar a putter?  I use one as my putter.

Yes, I use all 175G Aviar Putt & Approach for all putter upshots & putting.  

[Bruce Brakel]

By "throwing them hyzer", I assume you mean release them at a hyzer angle.  That way I can put a little more speed on them, and they should turn over for a longer period of time.

Thanks Brett.  I'll try that as soon as the weather allows.

Yes, throw them with hyzer angle and with good power. They should pop flat and ride a long ways straight. My orange putter will pop flat and stay straight the entire length of it's flight. It's fairly beat up. My white putter is super beat and will turn into a sharp anhyzer. It's perfect for hole #15 at Fairfield.  One thing that improved my game this year was playing catch with a putter. At Worlds we played catch every day to warm up before rounds. It improved my putter throwing tremendously. I play catch as much as possible now.  

I've been working with Kira on the hyzer flip downwind with understable lightweight stuff for added distance.  Last night we had light tailwind breezes and she was throwing a 150 Surge.  Her best throw was 330.  If you can teach something physical, she's a quick study. 

[MDR_3000]

Here's a visual of what off axis torque is:


The white line represents the angle of the disc and for a clean throw, your arm should follow that angle all the way around your follow through.

The red line reprents the off axis torque. If you keep the disc on the angle that the white line is on, but your follow through follows the red line, you're yanking the disc off line and causing it to turnover.

Hope that helps.

[Jon Brakel]

Ah, that is a nice visual. Without knowing what off axis torque is, I would have just called that yanking the disc if it was unintended and artificial turn-over if it was on purpose. People have been trying to explain to me for a few years on the message board what off axis torque was and I never understood. Now I do. Thanks!

[pickax]

Hmm, I really need to take some video of myself throwing to see if this is one of my many problems. Great picture and explanation.

[deucemeister]

Gotta get Z's on a disc to fly straighter and longer;  choice of disc and condition makes all the diference too; most of today's discs do not fly striaght, but a few I have recently picked up are great; the Discraft esp Meteor mid range is my disc of choice for staright shots 230 up to 330 or so.    I  always used Aviars for the past 15 plus yrs. until recently picking up a Ching; no more Aviarws in my bag now as the Ching flies straighter and can steer it either direction predictably with backhand approaches from 75 to 200 ft or so.