Bevier League Format

[Jon Brakel]

I also agree that being bumped by points is not a great idea. Perhaps the BOD just needs to get together and axe that rule. I just follow it because it is the rule...and I am German.  

Maybe it would be easier to select a group of people who may be eligible to be bumped. For instance, you have 1 spot that you need to fill in the upper pool. You ask for 4 volunteers or select 4 people based on knowledge of play. In this case we'll say it is Jon, Mitch, Mirth and Damon. They would draw cards or flip and the odd man out plays upper that day. Maybe it wouldn't be so harsh to select a group of eligible upper players and have fate decided who will actually play up. "The claw chooses!"

[Dan Michler]

alright.  here is my last idea.  its a good one.  to immediately remedy this situation, brett can just agree to not win more than 50% of the time.  75% is just too much for me to handle     i wouldn't mind donating every week so much if it weren't for the fact that we are all donating to the same person every week    that being said, he bought me taco bell after he won the other week, so i guess it all turned out well in the end  

my real plan here was to work brett into getting overconfident next week.  just when i say i have no chance is when i'll finally put a victory on the board for fall leagues!

[Jon Brakel]

As far as the handicap system, I wouldn't mind returning to a handicap system but I think it should be up to the league director if he wants to deal with that. If we were to return to a handicap system we would need to have a volunteer to track who gets what handicap based on whatever system we decide.

[mirth]

we ditched the handicaps because it was too much of a pain to accurately keep track. perhaps things are different now, perhaps not.

I rarely, if ever, when running leagues go to points for bumping people. I look around at who isn't decidedly 'upper' or 'lower' and pick the most skilled player out of the bunch.
Yeah, it sucks for me, Kenny, Mitch, Andrew H, Jayson, Deryk, and anyone else that has been bumped for a day. Unless a miracle happens or you're paired with a lower player of equal skill (or having a good day) you're effectively doomed to not cashing.

Maybe rating is the right way to go again. We were trying to use ratings last winter/spring... The only issue I can see happening with using ratings is the people who aren't PDGA members <caugh>kenny, nick<caugh>

[Dan Michler]

my instinct is to say the handicap system will only cause more problems than its worth.

[badger1190]

i think that rating is probabyl a good idea, but it can deffinetly cause some problems because some people are not pdga members, i think that it should probably be volunteers first, and then whoever is running leagues disgression, i dont think points is fair because if someone does not show up for a bunch of weeks then they will have the advantage of player lower, wehn a less talented player is forced to play upper because he has been there more often

[CEValkyrie]

We used to have upper/lower with handicaps but it seemed like every week there was a dispute. Pro-0, Adv-1, Int/Rec-2. Any pro partnered with any other player was 0 strokes. An advanced player partnered with another advanced or int/rec got 1 stroke. Any Int/Rec partnered with another Int/Rec got 2 strokes. At the time everyone wanted to get rid of that rule. I've seen this rule in effect at Adler. Sometimes it works & sometimes it does not.

I try to do my best to get the proper players playing upper pool each week. It's a very tough decision. I look at skill first. It is not always clear cut. If it's close between several skilled players i'll go to points. I don't think it's fair to the lower players that are contending for points to get moved up each week so i'll rotate it around with that group of players. I have on occasion had that group of players draw a card to see who gets bumped.

I'm not sure what the solution is. Keep it the same,  handicap, or random draw. I don't mind any of the 3. Taking way the upper/lower would be fine since it takes away the tough decision of bumping players to the upper pool. One reason I don't want to change is many players like the upper/lower thing. If it's better for the league I can stay home. I don't think my wife would have a problem with that .

[Jon Brakel]

I think you do a pretty good job with the upper and lower decisions Brett. When you go to do an agenda for the December meeting can you include a topic for us to vote on repealing the points rule for bumping and adding a more flexible rule for the person running league to decide?

I think the handicap works well when you have someone to track who is in what group. If someone wanted to volunteer to do that we could look at going back to a handicap system.

Another way to involve the lower players more and even out the teams would be to play other games besides best shot. Jon's double alternating best shot is a good game that the lower player can be much more involved in than plain best shot. Alternating shot does that also but JDABS allows you to throw just as often as in best shot but with more shots coming into play. I would suggest playing nine holes of JDABS and nine holes of best shot one week and see how people like it.

[Guest]

I'd rather that we keep upper and lower divisions since I think it is more fair, generally, than totally random. It is more in keeping with Discontinuum's VISION also.

C'mon, Jon, get it right!  smile.gif

[Jon Brakel]

I'd rather that we keep upper and lower divisions since I think it is more fair, generally, than totally random. It is more in keeping with Discontinuum's VISION also.

C'mon, Jon, get it right!  smile.gif

VISION, D'oh! Sorry Jim.

[Dan Michler]

actually random draw would be the only 100% "fair" way i think.  its the same for everybody that way.  but as long as the people who actually go to leagues want upper/lower then its all good.  there are plenty of random draw doubles leagues to play in the summer.

somebody else voted for random draw besides me!!    

[Cannon Boy]

I hate to agree with you on something Dan but it was me.

[Dan Michler]

Neal I can't believe you have a putter as your avatar.  I guess this means your going to learn how to throw it now??    

[Cannon Boy]

That putter made me some cash last weekend so I guess I will put it up