Teerex X vs Teerex vs Tee-Rex

[jsun3thousand]

Has anybody thrown the new Teerex X- they are currently sold at tournaments and on websites? Is is the X version more overstable than the current run of Teerexs? I have heard that there is a difference between the Tee-Rex version-an earlier run-  and the current Teerex version, but is there a big enough difference between the the X version and the current run? Jason 

[Mukey]

discgolfvalues.com has them

[jsun3thousand]

I know of a couple sites that sell the new X version in star and champion. I'm wondering if there is difference between the current off-the-shelf-version Teerex and  the new X version; or is this Innova changing the name of a disc. I have read, and heard, that the earlier runs labeled Tee-Rex were more understable in comparison to the later runs labeled Teerex. Jason   

[Dan Michler]

why does everything have to be so complicated.  i didnt know about any of this.

[J.R.]

I thorw primarily Innova, but have adding more and more Discraft to my bag.  This is the kind of thing that makes me want to throw all of my Innova discs in the garbage.  Why can't they just make a good disc and then leave it be? 

[Mukey]

Thats Innova marketing for ya

[stpitner]

ok - here's how I understand it:

The Tee-Rex and TeeRex stamped discs shouldn't fly any different than each other.  After the first run discs were finished (they had the innova star logo, see below):

First run TeeRex

Then the next run had the hyphen in the name and that stamp was replaced by the one without the hyphen.  Presumably they just decided at Innova that the name didn't need to have the hyphen.  When ordering direct from Innova they sent out BOTH stamps at the same time.  I had one buyer go nutso with the hyphens, but there is really nothing different.  I posted the picture of the true first run disc because some people think the hyphen in the stamp is the first run.  That is not the case.

The TeeRex-X, as far as I know, is only available as a CFR disc.  It's more overstable than the TeeRex, although I've only heard about it in Champion plastic, not Star.  I have not actively pursued picking up any of these discs.

Want to be more confused?  If no, then don't finish reading this post lol.  If yes... continue on!  There are Wraith-X discs as well.  The Star Eagle is technically a "Star Eagle-X", same with the Star Firebird is a "Star Firebird-X".

[Working Stiff]

Innova already has too many discs.  They have 17 or 18 drivers!  They also release these discs in a bunch of different plastics, which often alter their flight.  Then, they come out with these X versions and leave the name and stamp the same.  Then, they change their plastic so the Champion plastic from last year is different from this years.  Then they license their molds to other manufacturers so some Innova disc turns up as a Millennium or Discmania discs with another name...It is all intended to drive us insane!

Innova is the biggest offender, but all of the manufacturers are guilty to some degree or another.  Ever try a Radius?  Don't bother, It's a Warlock!

[Working Stiff]

You know, after I got off my high-horse I realized that this is not such a big deal. I remember getting two first-run 172 g KC Cheetahs, identical down to the red hot stamp.  One was always more overstable than the other.  Since they were identical, I had to write "Official NASCAR Disc-Only Turns Left" on the overstable one. 

Discs vary for often mysterious reasons.  Some manufacturers are better than others, but all have a problem making a consistent disc.  Lots of times I have thrown a new disc that had a flight pattern that was a lot different than I expected.  Lots of times I have had two of the same disc that behaved differently. 

So Innova changes molds and leaves the disc name the same.  Oh, well.  It beats throwing Kitty Hawk Hookers.  And I'm not throwing out all my Rocs in protest, either!

[Dan Michler]

Innova did piss me off with the Champion Orcs.  I was throwing them on 75+% of my drives and loving them for all of 2004.  Then in 2005 at Parkside Bruce shows up with the newer Orcs and you could see through the champion plastic, which was not true on any of the ones I had thrown previously.  They felt different and flew different.

So in conclusion, if you have Champion Orcs you don't want that are opaque (if opaque means you can't see through them) I would be happy to trade you another brand new unthrown disc for one.  I like all weights.

[stpitner]

a lot of it has to do with no longer having the specific blend of plastic available anymore.  For instance, the Innova Pro line (as far as i know not KC Pro) is on its way out the door because Innova can't get the plastic anymore.  From what I'm told, they are selling out what they have, and only using the remaining plastic to mold about 80% Pro Wraith and 20% Pro Starfire-L.  For the rest it could be the end of the line unless something is found to replace it.

It's tough in the small market (even if it looks huge to us sometimes) of disc golf plastic.

[jsun3thousand]

If it has to with the type of plastic, why do I have two different molds of the monster? The champion monster comes in two different molds- one has a smooth edge and the other is more concaved- and the star version only comes in  the smooth edge. Back to the Teerex debate, why is the DX Teerex have a completely different mold than the star version? If discs are going to change so much from run to run, why can't Innova just label each run? Jason 

[Jorr16]

Back to the Teerex debate, why is the DX Teerex have a completely different mold than the star version? If discs are going to change so much from run to run, why can't Innova just label each run? Jason 

I asked Dave about this not long ago on the PDGA board and he said the DX Teerexes were with the current run of the Teerex mold meaning not the more overstable mold(teerex-X) but the regular one. I think it was just a rumor that there was a run of DX teerexes that were made in the X mold. All I know is that the Teerex is not a consistent enough driver to be in my bag because sometimes it flips and other times it doesn't. I have seen this not only by my throwing but other people as well. All I can say is that I am going to be sticking with Teebirds for a long time until they start making DX Starfires.
J

[Working Stiff]

a lot of it has to do with no longer having the specific blend of plastic available anymore.  For instance, the Innova Pro line (as far as i know not KC Pro) is on its way out the door because Innova can't get the plastic anymore.  From what I'm told, they are selling out what they have, and only using the remaining plastic to mold about 80% Pro Wraith and 20% Pro Starfire-L.  For the rest it could be the end of the line unless something is found to replace it.

It's tough in the small market (even if it looks huge to us sometimes) of disc golf plastic.

This is not the first time this has happened.  Discraft made indestructible Phantoms until they couldn't get the plastic.  Cyclone plastic is gone.  The H plastic Gateway used is gone.  CE plastic is gone, although there are rumors that it had to do with issues other than not being able to get it anymore.  Innova Pro plastic is soon to go.  There will be something else, and we will all throw it.

That really doesn't explain why there is a Roc, but they re-released the Ontario Roc and they continue to market the "Classic" Roc which is an XD with a bead.  It confuses casual players when you recommend they throw a Roc.  There is no telling what they might end up with.

[can't putt]

There will be something else, and we will all throw it.

ka-ching!  All the different names and polymers make for good marketing in a niche market where everyone is always looking for something just a wee bit different.  A little further?  A little faster?  A little straighter?  I gotta get me some of those!

[pickax]

It confuses casual players when you recommend they throw a Roc.  There is no telling what they might end up with.

When most casual players throw one Roc vs another, they're not going to be able to tell the difference either.

[Working Stiff]

It confuses casual players when you recommend they throw a Roc.  There is no telling what they might end up with.

When most casual players throw one Roc vs another, they're not going to be able to tell the difference either.

Yeah, most casuals won't touch a Roc because it's not a big D disc.  A lot more casuals are putting with Valks than are throwing Rocs.

[Mike S]

I have 2 star Teerex-X's in the bag.  They are significantly domier and more overstable than the current normal star Teerexes.  I throw them when I need a longer firebird, and for headwind drives.  It is not a disc you can flex out, it really does not have much glide.  It is reasonably fast, with a very hard finish.  If I get a REALLY good pull on it, I will release it flat and it will fly dead straight for about 360-380 or so and then hyzer out.  I dont have enough of an arm for a max, and a regular teerex isnt consistently overstable enough in my opinion.

[Working Stiff]

I have 2 star Teerex-X's in the bag.  They are significantly domier and more overstable than the current normal star Teerexes.  I throw them when I need a longer firebird, and for headwind drives.  It is not a disc you can flex out, it really does not have much glide.  It is reasonably fast, with a very hard finish.  If I get a REALLY good pull on it, I will release it flat and it will fly dead straight for about 360-380 or so and then hyzer out.  I dont have enough of an arm for a max, and a regular teerex isnt consistently overstable enough in my opinion.

Good feedback, thanks.

?: all the "X" versions I'm aware of are more overstable than the regular mold.  Can we use that as a general rule, or is anyone aware of an "X" version that is less stable?

Smart-a** comment:  If this is true, they should change the Rancho Roc to the Roc X.  It sounds more sinister!

[stpitner]

Yeah, Innova's seemingly rule of thumb is "X" for more overstable discs and "L" for less stable discs (eg. Starfire-L - SL, Firebird-L - FL, TeeBird-L - TL).

Might be a light bulb moment for some on finally figuring out Innova's naming conventions