Teerex X vs Teerex vs Tee-Rex

[tjdub42]

the whole thing is petty and the issue being pointed out at the player meeting only takes away from the fun of the game which is what we're all there for.  if it gave any competitive advantage at all then I'd be on board with this, but it does not, it is only a technicality.

Here, here.  The Michler took his smart pills this morning!!

[Bruce Brakel]

Well, the confusion is not really the fault of Innova or Discraft so much as it seems to be the fault of the PDGA for having strange rules about when a disc needs to be submitted for approval.  Apparently, you can modify the mold, keep the same name, and not resubmit it, so long as you don't change any of the tech measurements, like diameter, rim length, etc.  You can also modify the mold, add a prefix or suffix, and not resubmit it.  But if you modify the mold and change the name, you have to resubmit it.  

The Tech Standards Committee says all the Buzzz variants are approved.  Both Avengers are approved.  But they are regarding the SL as being both a modified mold and a name change from the approved Starfire.  

[Bruce Brakel]

The difference with the Aviar is that the JK Aviar and KC Aviar are the same molds in different plastics.

How am I supposed to discern that from the list?  Do I need to know the difference between a Buzzz, Buzz, and Buzzz GT to qualify to play rec. or int. in a B tier event?  I don't see Ontario Roc on the list, and it's a common understanding that it flies differently than a Rancho Roc.  Am I to assume it's the same mold and approved or a different mold and not approved?

You can't.  We're dealing with the PDGA here.  It's lose-lose.   

[pickax]

I realize a lot of this started with disc companies trying new plastic and then making mold tweaks so that the disc with the same name would fly the same in a different plastic, but the rules are for disc approval really need to be cleaned up. I'm not sure how anyone can say that a Buzzz and  Buzzz GT are the same disc. It sounds like Innova tried to make things more clear (with the SL) and then got nailed for it. With the current PDGA approval process, companies seem to be encouraged to make it more confusing for the player. Ugh.

[dana]

Sorry for the angry post, the whole thing is pretty stupid.  Hopefully the PDGA will clear things up and this will never be an issue.  Also, I'll try to not post after having a few drinks.

[Jon Brakel]

I tend to agree with Dan on this one. People don't call each other for obvious foot faults. I don't think there's going to be a rash of calls made for production discs that have not been approved.

As a TD, I always have the list of approved discs at tournament central. They send me the list about two months before each tournament though so don't expect a disc that gets approved the week of the tournament to be on my list.

[pickax]

Suzette posted this on pdga.com

This just in:

    Quote:
    Subject: Approval of Starfire L (SL)

    Innova-Champion Discs, Inc.recently submitted the Starfire L (SL)for PDGA testing. This disc passed all PDGA tests, so I've added it to the list of PDGA-approved discs (attached).Test measurements are listed below.

    DISContinuously,
    Jeff Homburg (#1025)
    Technical Standards Chair

It now shows on the Approved Discs List

[Working Stiff]

Well, I guess that's the end of the fun then.  Really, it's a bad deal when there is a huge loophole in the PDGA certification process.  I'd really like to see them certify every mold.  Change anything about the mold of the disc-pay $200.00 and send it to tech.  That seems simple enough.

The plastics are a different can of worms.  Right now a manufacturer can change the blend and never have the disc re-tested for stiffness.  I think that the PDGA only re-tests discs when they get complaints.  By then, the offending discs are already out there.  I'm not sure what the answer is to that one.  It seems like the manufacturers have a hard enough time keeping all their discs available, and holding up discs at their shop while they wait for the PDGA to OK each run for stiffness seems like it would be a burden on them.

Maybe Michler is right, maybe we make too much of this and take things too seriously.  We might consider ourselves professional disc golfers, but we are really just Frisbee freaks playing for each others money on the weekends.  If my Warlock is stiff as concrete, so what?   Maybe we should just relax and have some fun.

Speaking of fun, did anyone see what Climo shot in round one today at the KCWO?  He recovered in the second round, but he is still way out of the cash right now.

[Jon Brakel]

The stiffness issue with different blends is easy. The manufacturers should be checking it themselves. A machine that tests the stiffness of an object is pretty cheap...they all should have one in the shop.

[Working Stiff]

The stiffness issue with different blends is easy. The manufacturers should be checking it themselves. A machine that tests the stiffness of an object is pretty cheap...they all should have one in the shop.

Are you suggesting that the manufacturers should voluntarily comply with the rules of the PDGA? 

I only know one manufacturer well, but if he thought that he could make illegal discs and not get caught he would do it.  Especially if the issue was stiffness because he loves hard, unflexible plastic.  If no one is going to check up on him, he is going to make what he wants and to hell with PDGA standards. 

What WILL stop him is the fact that younger players seem to like softer, grippy plastic.  Because of that the market for the hard, unflexible plastic seems to be declining and discs like the ESP FLX are popular in places I don't think Discraft even expected.  So the market might take care of that issue.