Joliet Championships, Pro/Am B-tier: October 24-25

[dana]

Mark your calenders.

And yes, you read correctly; Pro and Am this year.

More info TBA...

[stpitner]

woo!

[discpro99]

Any more info on this ...flyer anything?

[stpitner]

please note that ALL of this is subject to change, BUT, this is where it's at right now, and more than likely it's going to stay at this.  I just need to get the final ok with Dana on a few prices and make sure that he wants me to do pre-reg, and I'll get it going as soon as that thumbs up is given.

What has been determined so far:

2 Pools - 90 Pro's, 90 AM's
We will have CFR discs available to help boost the purse for the Pro's cuz that's always a cool thing to do

2 day event, B-Tier for all divisions.

Pro's: Sat (Shotgun) R1: Highland Park (White), R2: Lockport; Sun (Tee Times): R1: Highland (Blue), Final 9: Safari @ Channahon

AM's: Sat (Shotgun) R1: Lockport, R2: Highland Park (mix tees based on division White/Red); Sun (Tee Times): R1: Channahon (Longs).

Current Entry Fees (again, note, this may change):
Pro - $80; Half-in $40
AM's - $40

Am's will only have Advanced, Intermediate, Recreational, Novice, and possibly Advanced Master

Am's will get a $20 Reward Dollar player pack

We hope that there will be a free lunch for all on Sunday.

We hope that there will be some sort of player party Saturday night.

Get excited

[CEValkyrie]

Thanks for the info Scott! Looking forward to the event.

Just hoping the Pro entry fee is lowered a bit. That $80 entry fee will keep some players away. With Ams being able to play the half in option won't be as attractive.They can play full and compete for prizes at the same price. Half in is also a major pain in the ass to deal with when it comes to awards as well. I believe the entry fee was $70 last year and there were 32 players.

[tacimala]

Wasn't the weather atrocious last year too? Definitely hoping to be able to play this year. Trimming the Am pools down a few more may help improve pro field as well.

[can't putt]

40 bucks seems unreasonable for an Am B-Tier.  Expecially for the lower divisions.  Homie prices:

Men's Open -- $50
Women's Open -- $40
Advanced -- $30
Int, Rec -- $25
Novice -- $20

Includes both lunch and dinner.  Where's the better value?

Edit:  I missed that it's three rounds over two days.  That helps justify the cost, IMO.

[CEValkyrie]

Wasn't the weather atrocious last year too? Definitely hoping to be able to play this year. Trimming the Am pools down a few more may help improve pro field as well.

Actually the weather was pretty nice both days. It was REALLY windy at Channon for the final round.

[Bruce Brakel]

Thanks for the info Scott! Looking forward to the event.

Just hoping the Pro entry fee is lowered a bit. That $80 entry fee will keep some players away. 

Brett, maybe you could explain to those guys that half of 80 is 40.     Scott, if you need step by step directions for calculating half-in, let me know.  It is not hard if you follow the steps. 

[CEValkyrie]

Thanks for the info Scott! Looking forward to the event.

Just hoping the Pro entry fee is lowered a bit. That $80 entry fee will keep some players away. 

Brett, maybe you could explain to those guys that half of 80 is 40.     Scott, if you need step by step directions for calculating half-in, let me know.  It is not hard if you follow the steps. 

Why would an Amateur pay $40 to play half in Pro when they can pay $40 and play amateur full in prizes?

[Bruce Brakel]

With those entry fees I would not expect any amateur to play Open unless he is ready to cash and go pro.  Half-in is not that attractive to Advanced players who also have an Advanced division to play in. 

To can't putt: $40 is pretty average for a B-tier advanced entry fee.  Kind of pricey for lower divisions.  You can probably play there for free the weekend before or after.  There is nothing like voting with your feet! 

[stpitner]

My thoughts with the $40 is a mix of many factors.  Because I'm limited to 90 players, I want to make it an event where every player in every division is serious about getting out there and playing.  I'm a novice player myself, and I compete to the best of my ability.  I take my game seriously while still enjoying my day.  I compete against many other novice players who take the game just as seriously if not more.  So for an entry fee of $40, I want to attract the players that will want to take it just as seriously.  A player committing to a two-day event is already pretty serious about their play.

The end benefits for the players when it's a $40 entry fee...
-$20 pick your own player pack instead of $15
-increased payouts (I can't say by how much because it's not determined right now, but it would be a significant increase)
-increased CTP's and prizes
-better trophies

I can't include the food in that because I don't know if we're going to be able to get that sponsored or use a couple bucks from the entry fee.

In the end I'd leave with my cost of goods sold from the player packs and payouts and no additional money than if the entry fee was $30.  So I get no real benefit from the $40 entry fee other than going home with fewer discs that I sold at cost than if I had a $30 entry fee and not as high of a payout.

[CEValkyrie]

I don't think a $40.00 entry for a 2 day amateur B-Tier is that bad. The number of rounds and courses make it worthwhile.

[dana]

Note on the pro entry fee: $80 is the middle ground that Tom Matesivic and I came to.  I'm all for a much lower entry fee, believe me.

I'm home for a little while now so I'll have some time to get things moving in the right direction. 
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Thanks for your patience and if you have any questions, please feel free to contact me vicich@gmail.com 815-575-1917

[stpitner]

All tournament information is now online as well as pre-registration is NOW OPEN!!!

http://www.paperorplasticsports.com/2009/2009joliet.html

Some of the specific details may change, but enough of the information is there, and you can stay tuned here for some extra info if anything becomes available.  The website will be updated as well.

[stpitner]

Hope everyone is ready for this event   Registrations are slowly but surely coming in!  I need to update the list, I will do that tonight.

Hot stamp design is attached.  Thanks to Dave K for the original design inspiration.

We will have Innova, Discraft, and Gateway stamped plastic.

INNOVA CFR DISCS - $20 - $10 of the sale goes to the tournament (for all discs purchased through end of day saturday oct 24th)
Discraft CryZtal Buzzz - $15 - $5 of the sale goes to the tournament (for all discs purchased through end of day sat oct 24th)

The list of plastic that will be custom stamped:
CFR Glow Champ Aviar
CFR Champ Gator
CFR Champ Cro
CFR Star TeeRex-X

R-Wood Pro Aviar
R-Wood Pro Rancho Roc

Champion Destroyer
Champion Groove
KC Pro Roc
R-Pro Ontario Roc
Star Sidewinder
Star Wraith
Star Ontario Roc
Star San Marino Roc

CryZtal Buzzz (50 of 'em)
Elite-Z Surge with Thumb Grip
Elite-Z Surge SS
Elite-Z Flick
FLX Drone

Wizard (S, SS, and SSS)
Voodoo (S, SS, and SSS)
Warlock (S, SS, and SSS)
Magic (S, SS, and SSS)

[dana]

Dave, Tom, Randy, Thor and some others have been working their butts off at Highland.  If you haven't been there in a while, you're going to be surprised.

Register early and register often

[jack]

I'll second that. They were there with a chainsaw removing a fallen tree on Tuesday and then again last night. Tom said he's put in a lot of hours over the past 3 weeks, and it really shows. The course looks fantastic.

[CEValkyrie]

Can't wait!

Might be worthwhile to start posting what kind of added cash there is.

[UMphreak]

I am going to be in town for my grandpa's funeral  but might be able to make light of the situation by playing this event. Hopefully I can pull it off.  I did see only a couple of people signed up for the tournament on pdga, but Im guessing more have signed up.  I am not sure if I will be able to play...so my question is will there be a chance I can sign up day of?