Grin & Bear It - PDGA C-Tier - CHANGED DATE

[discglfr]

I'm just throwing it out there that this event date is being moved (most likely AUGUST 14/15).  My wife and family aren't happy nor was the Parks Department thrilled but if that's what it takes then that's what I'll do.  I never wanted to 'compete' with IOS event because there are more than enough players to go around but this way it can't even be considered an issue.

HOWEVER ... Whomever was removing this event thread simply because of a date conflict - needs a lesson or two in message board etiquette.  Removing a completely harmless thread simply because it doesn't coincide with your schedule is not the appropriate way to handle it.

I have read some pretty senseless, useless, ridiculous, demeaning, hurtful and just plain old stupid stuff on this very message board through out the years and to see that remain while a 'conflicting' event thread gets removed is all too sad. 

As far as I'm concerned, this is all behind us.  I plan to put on a great event at a course that many people really seem to enjoy.  I hope you all consider coming up to play at the Grin & Bear It, PDGA C-Tier at Fox River Park in Silver Lake, WI.

[discglfr]

Updated flyer attached to this message. 

Thanks!

(Here I simply removed the OLD flyer, and will post Version 3.1 later in thread)

[Bruce Brakel]

I once ran a tournament that conflicted with a TADGA tournament 90 miles away.  There was nothing I could do about the date.  The owner of the course said you can do it on this date, or not at all.  So I ran my tournament opposite theirs. 

But I did not advertise my tournament on their website!   

[discpro99]

Thanks for running a tourny at Silver Lake Terry looking foward to it. I see it says 14th or 15th Im hoping its on Sunday!!

[discglfr]

Not only did I move the event date but I even emulated the IOS division structure so it is consistent with what you'd find for an IOS event in terms of the days each division plays.  Personally, I don't love this structure but I guess the people have spoken so I'll give it a try.

What's also funny is that I've already had 3 or 4 people contact me and tell me they are disappointed it switched dates because now they can't play.  Good stuff.

@Bruce - Hundreds of events have been shared on this board even when dates / days conflict.  I was simply pointing out the deleting a thread simply because of a date 'conflict' is not the way to handle it.

Thanks for running a tourny at Silver Lake Terry looking foward to it. I see it says 14th or 15th Im hoping its on Sunday!!

[CEValkyrie]

We should probably edit this thread and start over once the smoke settles.

Terry,

   I repect what you've done over the years and appreciate it. It's a lot of hard work. You know as well as I there are more talkers than doers in this game. The majority of or club members have supported you over the years and still do. I finally have a good course that is close to home. Silver Lake is sweet! Glad you were able to find tha park 

I was definitely disappointed with the day of the event. I'd much rather play an event close to home than travel 3 days running an event.

The silver lake event topic was removed. Over the years we've never had this issue. Very few posts have been removed or even edited. Think about it in a role reversal. Say you were running a 2 day B-Tier 2 hours from your house on and awesome course and you were adding $650 to the pro purse. The area doesn't have a huge local player base. Half of your field will be filled with players traveling from Milwaukee. You schedule this event early in the year. Someone from the Milwaukee area decides they are going to run a C-Tier at Brown Deer or Dretzka. Would you allow them to advertise this event on the website you pay to maintain knowing that a majority of them will probably stay closer to home to play?

[stpitner]

I'd recommend flipping what dates play the division sets as Aug 14/15 is same as IOS #6, and if you flip your division sets you'd have less conflict.  IOS #6 is going to be in Joliet.

[discglfr]

Are you guys f'ing kidding me?  The only other possible date I can do happens to be ANOTHER IOS weekend?  I didn't even bother to check because that was my only other choice and now I read this.

I guess I will flip flop the days so the whining might finally end. 

Sorry for the outburst here but geesh.

I'd recommend flipping what dates play the division sets as Aug 14/15 is same as IOS #6, and if you flip your division sets you'd have less conflict.  IOS #6 is going to be in Joliet.

[Tom McManus]

Terry- thanks for the change in dates. Looking forward to a tourney round at a beautiful new course.

[Steven Jacobs]

Are you guys f'ing kidding me?  The only other possible date I can do happens to be ANOTHER IOS weekend?  I didn't even bother to check because that was my only other choice and now I read this.

I guess I will flip flop the days so the whining might finally end. 

Sorry for the outburst here but geesh.

I'd recommend flipping what dates play the division sets as Aug 14/15 is same as IOS #6, and if you flip your division sets you'd have less conflict.  IOS #6 is going to be in Joliet.

That would actually be pretty awesome if the division days were opposite of IOS # 6.  Peopl could play 2 tourneys in the same division on a weekend!

[airspuds]

2 cents

[Tom McManus]

I am looking forward to Grin & Bear It.  Not crazy about a Wisconsin event with Bear in the title but oh well.

[smyith]

Not only did I move the event date but I even emulated the IOS division structure so it is consistent with what you'd find for an IOS event in terms of the days each division plays.  Personally, I don't love this structure but I guess the people have spoken so I'll give it a try.

uber lame!!!!!! stick to the way you standardly run tournaments. they are already some of the best in the nation. dont copy a not so great style.

[SERG]

I don't usually chime in on things like this. I accept the work that TD's and volunteers do to run an event and greatly appreciate the efforts of all involved. This topic, unfortunately, disappoints me. Both parties involved are EXTREMELY respected in my mind. Both run outstanding events and have great player response from both Illinois and Wisconsin. I think Terry is offering an alternative to players who won't be able to make the trip for whatever reason. It's also an opportunity for some to play two events in one weekend. Did he realize it when he scheduled it? Not sure.

The event is (was supposed to be) on Sunday. It's unfortunate that "All Other Divisions" might not be able to make it, but there are other divisions that could play. It's a C-Tier event that is well within the rights of scheduling an event. I know there are many MA1 players that would probably like to play in both, but I would think the IOS will take priority for many. I'm sure Terry realizes he will miss players for this reason but was willing to continue with event.

I don't know if I have a specific "point" to my post other than thinking there's no reason an event can't take place. The TD understands they may lose players and it's his/her decision to continue with the event. I think the IOS organizers of this event are lucky that Terry is an understanding and nice guy to be willing to make changes with less than two weeks before an event. I was unaware of the changes until yesterday when I offered to be at the course this Friday to help with anythng that may need to be done. Now Carla will probably make me do house work after taking the day off work 

This whole thing makes me hesitant to post about an upcoming event if it's within a drivable distance for Illinois and Wisconsin players.

[damonshort]

Terry- thanks for the change in dates. Looking forward to a tourney round at a beautiful new course.

...what Tom said. Played the alternate pins today and they're as entertaining (and often even more brutal) than the ones we played a couple of weeks ago.

If you sell mosquito netting at the merch table, though, you might make a killing! 

[Dan Michler]

At 8pm EDT tomorrow I'll be announcing my commitment to either the Grin and Bear It, Indiana States, or the IOS event on a new thread titled The Decision.

I don't see this IOS 6 @ Joliet on the PDGA Tour page, is that date locked in?  If all 3 of these events happen on the same weekend, the big loser is going to be the Joliet event.   Lemon Lake's player base is largely the Joliet area players and I would predict a large percentage of them will be headed to Indiana States.  Running a PDGA event in Joliet that weekend seems like attendance suicide to me.

I doubt Indiana States would significantly cut into the attendance at Silver Lake.  In a perfect world I'd rather see Scott's Joliet event the next weekend Aug 21/22 where it would only be competing with a Saturday Milwaukee event.  I don't think those 2 events would hurt each other much.

[Bruce Brakel]

If I cannot rearrange my schedule to catch the announcement live, will you be tweeting?   

[pdga#7648]

At 8pm EDT tomorrow I'll be announcing my commitment to either the Grin and Bear It, Indiana States, or the IOS event on a new thread titled The Decision.

 Lemon Lake's player base is largely the Joliet area players and I would predict a large percentage of them will be headed to Indiana States. 

Man, I hope more show up this year, than last year. Matt Travis is the only one I remember being there last year. I think something conflicted with it last year as well??

[Jon Brakel]

If I cannot rearrange my schedule to catch the announcement live, will you be tweeting?   

I think it's going to be a special on ESPN!  

[Chainmeister]

If I cannot rearrange my schedule to catch the announcement live, will you be tweeting?   

I think it's going to be a special on ESPN!  

Fortunately, there is no tournament in South Florida that weekend. Otherwise, i would expect all three TD's to cancel their events and play together down there.