Grin & Bear It - PDGA C-Tier - CHANGED DATE

[discpro99]

Should probably get it off the pdga schedule for this weekend

[discglfr]

Attempted that.

Besides all of the other work I've done for all of this, I did in fact contact the PDGA last week.  Like everyone else, I KNOW for a fact that they are overworked and under paid and I see it hasn't taken effect just yet.  I just sent them an additional polite reminder to please address it.

Funny, it seems that every few hours I'm now getting complaints about how it was re-scheduled away from this upcoming weekend. 

I sure hope to see dozens and dozens of "IOS" contingency at this Grey Fox Course on August 14/15.

Terry

Should probably get it off the pdga schedule for this weekend

[discglfr]

Here is the latest flyer with the 2 or 3 different revisions all incorporated.  Please sign up via mailing in one of these flyers with your info or by signing up online.  LATE FEES start on Wednesday night. 

Thanks!

[Jon Brakel]

I think scheduling problems like this would be better worked out behind the scenes. I think Terry would have received a different reception here if he had approached us before he scheduled it and explained why he needed to schedule on this date. I'd really like to work with Terry and other Wisconsin TDs on scheduling all of our tournaments but Wisconsin has not wanted to coordinate schedules with us. I'm not blaming anyone here. Wisconsin has their own tour and probably trying to get that nailed down is difficult enough without trying to mix in a neighbor state's conflicting dates.

The other problem with conflicting dates this year is the economy. We're seeing fewer people playing both days of split day formats all over the area and fewer people playing more than one tourney in the same weekend. In previous years attendance was not as much of an issue as it seems to be this year.

As a TD I try not to get too caught up in attendance numbers. I try to run the best tournament that I can and if people want to play then they will come. However, we do have fixed costs and a merch guy who has a more vested interest than I do. There's always a perception though that attendance equates successfulness so I think it's on the mind of every TD to some extent.

I think it would serve all of the tournaments and the players if we could schedule our tournaments around conflicts as much as possible. Communication is good.

Hopefully people won't take this instance of a problem with a conflict to mean that we are against Terry or his tournaments. This is not an "us" against "them" situation. If I could still play tournaments I would play Terry's tournaments whenever I could. I think a lot of you agree as we share the many of the same players. And that's why we TDs need to do a better job of communication before problems arise.

[discglfr]

I think scheduling problems like this would be better worked out behind the scenes. I think Terry would have received a different reception here if he had approached us before he scheduled it and explained why he needed to schedule on this date.

Jon,

There in lies the problem, I still believe my event wasn't a 'conflict' to begin with because as Sergio stated, I was outside the protected radius AND you guys have a very successful tour AND my event would gladly have taken anyone that wasn't eligible to play on Sunday's IOS.  I still believe I could have filled without taking 'away' any Sunday IOS players.

Regardless, you are completely right in that had there been better communication starting back on May 22nd when I first started talking about a July 18th event I guess some of this could have been avoided.  Lesson learned and no hard feelings across state lines!

It is all behind us now because I've picked a different weekend and made every possible effort to not conflict with the IOS world.  I sincerely hope to see a ton of you at the event.  From what I hear, it's all Illinois guys playing this course I've designed anyway

[CEValkyrie]

i want to make this clear - at no time did discontinuum or the ios request that terry change his date. i removed the tournament thread because it conflicted with a discontinuum sponsored event of $500. we appreciate terry moving the event and hope it works out.

[discglfr]

Brett is dead on with his statement.  It was a tough choice but in the end it was ultimately my choice.

Brett and Tom McManus were helpful getting this all situated and I do appreciate it.

Now let's quit talking and play some golf!  Better yet, let's start seeing some registrations for all of these awesome events!

Terry

i want to make this clear - at no time did discontinuum or the ios request that terry change his date. i removed the tournament thread because it conflicted with a discontinuum sponsored event of $500. we appreciate terry moving the event and hope it works out.

[SERG]

When do Pro Women play? They aren't listed on the flyer.

[discglfr]

Well,

I was just copying the IOS info found on the P or P website and even after double checking it, I can't seem to find that they list pro women.  Do they not even offer it? 

Regardless, I made the decision just a few minutes ago with David Gentry on the phone to put them on the same day as the PRO MEN.  Now you and Carla have to find a way to make it

Thanks for the heads up Serg.  I will be posting yet ANOTHER revision of the flyer once I get it done.

Here is for Saturday:  http://www.pdga.com/event?TournID=10748

Here is for Sunday:  http://www.pdga.com/event?TournID=10800

Hey IOS peeps - do you guys not offer pro women?

When do Pro Women play? They aren't listed on the flyer.

[pickax]

Hey IOS peeps - do you guys not offer pro women?

When do Pro Women play? They aren't listed on the flyer.

The IOS split is MPO/MA2/MA4 on Saturday with all others (including FPO,MPM, etc) on Sunday. We have not had any pro women sign up for the IOS B or C tier events this year.

[Jon Brakel]

Hey IOS peeps - do you guys not offer pro women?

We offer every PDGA division as long as at least one player wants to play it! Since the PDGA started offering MA4 we have done MPO (men's pro open), MA2 and MA4 on Saturday; all other divisions on Sunday. Pro Women would be part of all other divisions. It looks like on the registration for IOS 5 Scott missed putting the division in the drop down box. Any women wanting to register should just register for MPO and in the comments can put in that they are playing pro women on Sunday. It's the same price.

[dana]

Someone call Jesse Jackson

[Jon Brakel]

Someone call Jesse Jackson

[discglfr]

Anxiously awaiting registrations to come in

Current registrations for Saturday:  http://www.pdga.com/event?TournID=10748

Current registrations for Sunday:  http://www.pdga.com/event?TournID=10800

[discglfr]

This event is (finally) taking place this weekend.  In fact, the registrations have been a little slow but going after the Pro Worlds and going after The Mad City Open A-Tier, I can understand some waiting.

Trophies are being ordered in the next few days but it doesn't appear that I need too many at the moment.

LATE FEES WILL STILL GO INTO EFFECT ON WEDNESDAY NIGHT, AUGUST 11th.  This gives everyone ample time to get a check in the mail on Monday or even Tuesday. 

The plan is that you'll play one round with half the holes being short and the other round with all holes in the LONG placements.  Saturday's layouts will be slightly different from Sunday's layouts.  It is time we establish some official course records out there!

As always, contact me with any questions.

Thanks!

[Dan Michler]

This course in Silver Lake is truly one of the best in the area for those who haven't played it. 

[Tom McManus]

This course in Silver Lake is truly one of the best in the area for those who haven't played it. 

I agree  with Dan on this one.  If you plan on attending be sure to bring the bug spray. The mosquitoes are brutal up there.  Still it is an absolutely beautiful course.

[discglfr]

Dane and the rest of the Lifetime Disc Sports crew are extremely excited to have you all at the Grey Fox - Grin & Bear It C-Tier this weekend.

Countless conversations went back and forth about a month ago until I stood down and didn't conflict with the previous IOS event so I'm assuming I'll have nothing but full support for this awesome course and great event. 

Thanks everyone and have a fun time setting the new OFFICIAL course records at Grey Fox this weekend!

Terry

[Tom McManus]

Despite the low turnout this was a very fun event.  Dane did a great job to keep everything  moving and on a good pace.  This course is the best course in Lake County and Kenosha County.  Nice tee pads, great signs that clearly show distances, multiple pin placements, at least one par four and maybe two other holes that could be considered par fours, and a nice island hole.

Thanks to Terry and Dane for running this event. Thanks to Terry for his hard work in getting this course in the ground.