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Started by can't putt, September 20, 2009, 08:49:00 AM

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airspuds

what do you think of this format ?

for rec and novice men divisions only


$ 10 
get a disc

2 rounds of 12  (  9  hole course with 3 temp )
players meeting at 8  tee off 815

1 round shuffle then round 2

goal would be to get the married with children rec / nov players out and home by 2

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Dan Michler

Quote from: airspuds on August 09, 2010, 05:50:38 AM
what do you think of this format ?

for rec and novice men divisions only


$ 10 
get a disc

2 rounds of 12  (  9  hole course with 3 temp )
players meeting at 8  tee off 815

1 round shuffle then round 2

goal would be to get the married with children rec / nov players out and home by 2



I don't think the idea of 12 hole rounds would go over so well (and I'm not sure why this only applies to rec/novice), but I do think your point of having some quicker events is a good one and is something that I've heard alot of players express interest in.  Sometimes the lunch breaks get a little out of control and could be alot shorter.  At the GRABM Open last week my break from 1st to 2nd round was 2 hr 20 minutes.
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Quote from: airspuds on August 09, 2010, 05:50:38 AM
what do you think of this format ?

for rec and novice men divisions only


$ 10 
get a disc

2 rounds of 12  (  9  hole course with 3 temp )
players meeting at 8  tee off 815

1 round shuffle then round 2

goal would be to get the married with children rec / nov players out and home by 2



If it is PDGA sanctioned it should be rounds of 13. 13 hole rounds are the least number of holes per round that will get ratings.
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Dan Michler

40 bucks to play Silver Lake on Saturday and 41 bucks to play the Prairie Open in 2 weeks.  If I want to register online, thats 45 and 46.  I would love to play both, but unfortunately I can not justify to myself paying over 80 bucks this month for just 2 amateur disc golf tournaments.  So, I have to make a tough decision about which one to play.  Silver Lake is closer to home and I've been practicing there, so it will probably win out.  Have to make a decision by Wednesday though or it goes up to 50 bucks to play in a field that currently consists of 4 total players.

Wisconsin disc golf is expensive!  I don't think there has been an Illinoiis B or C tier event with an entry of 40 bucks to play advanced this year.  Same in Indiana.  What makes a Wisconsin event worth the extra 10 bucks?
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Dag

Quote from: Jon Brakel on August 09, 2010, 10:07:54 AM
If it is PDGA sanctioned it should be rounds of 13. 13 hole rounds are the least number of holes per round that will get ratings.

Where does this come from? I thought that one just needed a minimum of 36 holes (assuming B or C tier) to meet tier standards and a minimum of five propagators for ratings. For a twelve hole layout, three rounds would fulfill the minimum though I suppose this could be considered two eighteen hole rounds on two separate layouts.

Jon Brakel

Quote from: Dag on August 09, 2010, 07:51:19 PM
Quote from: Jon Brakel on August 09, 2010, 10:07:54 AM
If it is PDGA sanctioned it should be rounds of 13. 13 hole rounds are the least number of holes per round that will get ratings.

Where does this come from? I thought that one just needed a minimum of 36 holes (assuming B or C tier) to meet tier standards and a minimum of five propagators for ratings. For a twelve hole layout, three rounds would fulfill the minimum though I suppose this could be considered two eighteen hole rounds on two separate layouts.

You need 36 holes total to fulfill sanctioning but I wasn't talking about sanctioning. You need at least 13 holes per round plus the propagators, as you said, to be rated. This information comes from my head. You have no reason to believe me so feel free to research it for yourself. If I knew where it came from outside of my head, I'd tell you. I'm not trying to be difficult.
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Quote from: Dan Michler on August 09, 2010, 02:50:09 PM
40 bucks to play Silver Lake on Saturday and 41 bucks to play the Prairie Open in 2 weeks.  If I want to register online, thats 45 and 46.  I would love to play both, but unfortunately I can not justify to myself paying over 80 bucks this month for just 2 amateur disc golf tournaments.  So, I have to make a tough decision about which one to play.  Silver Lake is closer to home and I've been practicing there, so it will probably win out.  Have to make a decision by Wednesday though or it goes up to 50 bucks to play in a field that currently consists of 4 total players.

Wisconsin disc golf is expensive!  I don't think there has been an Illinoiis B or C tier event with an entry of 40 bucks to play advanced this year.  Same in Indiana.  What makes a Wisconsin event worth the extra 10 bucks?
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pickax

Jon is right. Rounds need at least 13 holes to be rated.
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Dag

Quote from: Jon Brakel on August 09, 2010, 09:02:24 PM
You need 36 holes total to fulfill sanctioning but I wasn't talking about sanctioning. You need at least 13 holes per round plus the propagators, as you said, to be rated. This information comes from my head. You have no reason to believe me so feel free to research it for yourself. If I knew where it came from outside of my head, I'd tell you. I'm not trying to be difficult.

Apologies if I came off confrontational as that wasn't my intent. I asked because I was curious and the twenty minutes or so I had spent sifting through the PDGA site last night before posting hadn't yielded anything of relevance.

I should know better than to use onsite search functions. I searched the PDGA site again this morning using Google and came up with a number of references to the thirteen hole minimum for rating though I still couldn't find the ruling itself. Maybe it didn't make the transition from paper or maybe it's just buried deep where Google bots fear to tread. It appears that the number thirteen was lifted straight from the USGA handicapping system.

The twelve hole layout mentioned earlier can be played as a sanctioned, rated event assuming that it was played three times to meet the 36 hole minimum for sanctioning. It would just be reported as two "rounds" of 18 holes on two separate layouts, thus meeting the 13 hole minimum for rating. Sorry if that's repeating the obvious.


jasonc

Quote from: Dan Michler on August 09, 2010, 02:50:09 PM
40 bucks to play Silver Lake on Saturday and 41 bucks to play the Prairie Open in 2 weeks.  If I want to register online, thats 45 and 46.  I would love to play both, but unfortunately I can not justify to myself paying over 80 bucks this month for just 2 amateur disc golf tournaments.  So, I have to make a tough decision about which one to play.  Silver Lake is closer to home and I've been practicing there, so it will probably win out.  Have to make a decision by Wednesday though or it goes up to 50 bucks to play in a field that currently consists of 4 total players.

Wisconsin disc golf is expensive!  I don't think there has been an Illinoiis B or C tier event with an entry of 40 bucks to play advanced this year.  Same in Indiana.  What makes a Wisconsin event worth the extra 10 bucks?
Well, the landscaping and scenery north of the border is at least 22.78% better than anything around here, so that should count for at least an extra $7.50/tournament.  I am confused about the remaining $2.50.   ???

pickax

Quote from: Dag on August 10, 2010, 06:57:10 AM

I should know better than to use onsite search functions. I searched the PDGA site again this morning using Google and came up with a number of references to the thirteen hole minimum for rating though I still couldn't find the ruling itself. Maybe it didn't make the transition from paper or maybe it's just buried deep where Google bots fear to tread. It appears that the number thirteen was lifted straight from the USGA handicapping system.


The 13 hole minimum is purely a factor for the rating system. The details of the rating system used to be a lot more public until the PDGA realized that they need to protect their IP better. Tournaments can be run with less holes per round; it's just that ratings won't be generated.
Mike Krupicka
PDGA #28238
IL State Coordinator

Jon Brakel

Quote from: pickax on August 10, 2010, 07:29:02 AM
Quote from: Dag on August 10, 2010, 06:57:10 AM

I should know better than to use onsite search functions. I searched the PDGA site again this morning using Google and came up with a number of references to the thirteen hole minimum for rating though I still couldn't find the ruling itself. Maybe it didn't make the transition from paper or maybe it's just buried deep where Google bots fear to tread. It appears that the number thirteen was lifted straight from the USGA handicapping system.


The 13 hole minimum is purely a factor for the rating system. The details of the rating system used to be a lot more public until the PDGA realized that they need to protect their IP better. Tournaments can be run with less holes per round; it's just that ratings won't be generated.

Correct. You won't find it in the rules because it is not a rule. It's more of a ratings regulation. I did find where I see it all the time. It's in the TD report that gets submitted to hte PDGA. In the Event Info tab, #2 is "Layouts Played by Division by Round" there is a line that says "Do not include rounds with fewer than 13 holes!"

But I remember this coming up in the past at Bevier when Bevier was a 9 hole course.
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