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Started by Mangler, July 26, 2003, 10:38:22 PM

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jim

#20
January 07, 2004, 07:34:43 AM
It is clear that you've put a lot of work into this, Mangler! I applaud your effort and enthusiasm once again.

But I'm gonna risk hurting your feelings with some positive, constructive criticism, if that's OK.

1. "All park patrons stay on paths".  This is rarely true in any park and cannot be taken for granted.

2. When baskets are shared by more than one teepad, safety is immediately a factor. I understand you want a challenging 18-hole course, but this layout will lead to trouble and confusion, even if you have signs clarifying the layout. People don't read instructions, generally.  Also, the number of holes playable simultaneously by different golfers is reduced as soon as baskets are shared.

My advice: make this a great course!  You found the spot and laid the groundwork. EXCELLENT!  Don't risk losing a course just to force in more holes. Make it a fun and challenging 9-hole or 12-hole course without the risk of overlapping layouts.  This is just my humble opinion.
THANKS for posting and for creating more discing opportunities!  

Mangler

#21
January 07, 2004, 08:58:53 PM
Vernon Hills Parks can have pets on their park property. Folks do not like to have their pets bringing goose feces into their homes so they dont go off the path. Very rarely do you see anyone picnicking there or playing on the island it is overloaded with Goose droppings..I could care less about it I bring a towel no big deal and Special Designated footware.
I will not take a position about any direction VHPD wants to go...I have used this course to sharpen my game and get excellent exercise. 3 years and counting a  couple lost discs.
Because space is a concern I use a clockwise-counter clockwise design. 18 Quality Grids. Shared Targets save money and increase yardage. Players risk something everytime they are out. Id like to think that we are somewhat intelligent not to throw into other players or park patrons...Recreational sport brought to an area that is not being used to its maximum....win win win ...


"The use of drugs is a perverse expression of individualism, antisocial and life-denying,It isn't an assertion of individuality; it's a substitute for it. It's not an attempt to be different when everyone else is becoming more alike; it's a way of copping out. And that's the worst thing you can do."

Myk

#22
January 08, 2004, 02:16:09 PM
Mangler, have you ever played Valley View in New Berlin.  It's a great course, IMO.  It's always packed, so you usually have to wait on every hole.  One problem this course has is that the holes are all right on top of eachother.  I have seen more than one person get hit, not because they were standing by the basket or the person throwing wasn't paying attention.  The thrower miscalculated or the person who was hit just wasn't expecting it when they were getting ready to take their shot.  Putting multiple tee pads aimed at the same basket will get people hit, often.  New players, which it seems this course was built to attract, will avoid the course and possibly the sport because they don't want to get cracked by a sharp plastic object at high speeds.

Yes, there is some sort of risk involved in playing disc golf.  Why would you want to increase that risk?  If you really want to up the ante that much, why not make it full contact disc golf?
Myk "BC" Deardorf
PDGA # 21768

Jon Brakel

#23
January 08, 2004, 03:29:51 PM
What Myk said. Mangler, you seem to design your courses with reckless abandon. Not what this sport needs.  
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Dave

#24
January 08, 2004, 04:30:33 PM
I was approached with this design last fall and know the Park District Director very well.  I applaud the efforts, but unfortunately the specific site is very active and safety concerns were prominent.  It is safe to say that he will not recommend the location to his Park Board.  Sorry to bear bad news.....

On a more positive note, Gary Lewis has struck again and installed a great course in Mokena (New Lennox area).  Highlights include multiple tee pads, the use of 1" rubber mats for tee pads, tee pads that are flat but provide drainage, and they utilized fly-ash within the limestone screening subsurface to lock-in the aggregate.

CEValkyrie

#25
January 09, 2004, 06:10:40 AM
I applaud all eforts to get a course installed. It's not an easy thing to do.

Saying this, Lake County, IL needs a top quality, Championship Calibur Course. There are plenty of 9 hole & 18 hole beginner courses within short drives. Waukegan, Libertyville, Mundelein, Round Lake, Crystal Lake, Buffalo Grove, Highland Park, & soon to come Wildwood.

I too would rather see a challenging 9 hole course like Adler than throwing to the same basket just to squeeze in more holes. I've played the proto course at Wildwood as well. It will be a Roc & Putter course for the most part but you will have to develop an anhyzer & other skills to play it. Not just throwing to open hole after open hole.  
Brett Comincioli
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jim

#26
January 09, 2004, 06:42:02 AM
Food for thought:
Shawn has been a big proponent of a larger course in Pleasant Prairie, WI. The park at Lake Andrea (just east of outlet malls south of Hwy 50) is monstrously HUGE, and the parks director is a friend of Shawn's. We did a couple of demos there.....
If we can synch with a larger club like GLDGC, we might be able to get a good course in there. They have hundreds of acres that surround the lake there. Perhaps the combined clubs' efforts can get the job done.

Thoughts?

LauraM1

#27
January 09, 2004, 09:27:15 AM
I heard that there is a course under construction in Aurora.  is this true?  

CEValkyrie

#28
January 09, 2004, 09:44:50 AM
I have not heard anything.  
Brett Comincioli
19325
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DISContinuum DGC President

#1 in Chicago Disc Golf Course Design
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jim

#29
January 09, 2004, 10:46:54 AM
I have not heard anything either.
Calling the Aurora Parks Department revealed nothing either, but I confused a few folks.  =)
But here's the Aurora website address:
http://www.ci.aurora.il.us/Parks%20Operation/index.html

Mangler

#30
January 10, 2004, 01:09:35 AM Last Edit: January 10, 2004, 01:16:06 AM by Mangler
#7 Show here with shortest of three pin placement
"The use of drugs is a perverse expression of individualism, antisocial and life-denying,It isn't an assertion of individuality; it's a substitute for it. It's not an attempt to be different when everyone else is becoming more alike; it's a way of copping out. And that's the worst thing you can do."

Mangler

#31
January 10, 2004, 01:12:51 AM Last Edit: January 10, 2004, 01:18:55 AM by Mangler
# 8
"The use of drugs is a perverse expression of individualism, antisocial and life-denying,It isn't an assertion of individuality; it's a substitute for it. It's not an attempt to be different when everyone else is becoming more alike; it's a way of copping out. And that's the worst thing you can do."

Mangler

#32
January 10, 2004, 01:20:27 AM
#9
"The use of drugs is a perverse expression of individualism, antisocial and life-denying,It isn't an assertion of individuality; it's a substitute for it. It's not an attempt to be different when everyone else is becoming more alike; it's a way of copping out. And that's the worst thing you can do."

Mangler

#33
January 10, 2004, 01:22:24 AM
#10 1/3 pin placement Shared with #7
"The use of drugs is a perverse expression of individualism, antisocial and life-denying,It isn't an assertion of individuality; it's a substitute for it. It's not an attempt to be different when everyone else is becoming more alike; it's a way of copping out. And that's the worst thing you can do."

Mangler

#34
January 10, 2004, 01:24:16 AM
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"The use of drugs is a perverse expression of individualism, antisocial and life-denying,It isn't an assertion of individuality; it's a substitute for it. It's not an attempt to be different when everyone else is becoming more alike; it's a way of copping out. And that's the worst thing you can do."

Mangler

#35
January 10, 2004, 01:27:20 AM
#12 Many options needs a little work to make right..
"The use of drugs is a perverse expression of individualism, antisocial and life-denying,It isn't an assertion of individuality; it's a substitute for it. It's not an attempt to be different when everyone else is becoming more alike; it's a way of copping out. And that's the worst thing you can do."

Mangler

#36
January 10, 2004, 01:35:48 AM
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"The use of drugs is a perverse expression of individualism, antisocial and life-denying,It isn't an assertion of individuality; it's a substitute for it. It's not an attempt to be different when everyone else is becoming more alike; it's a way of copping out. And that's the worst thing you can do."

Mangler

#37
January 10, 2004, 01:37:37 AM Last Edit: January 10, 2004, 01:38:55 AM by Mangler
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"The use of drugs is a perverse expression of individualism, antisocial and life-denying,It isn't an assertion of individuality; it's a substitute for it. It's not an attempt to be different when everyone else is becoming more alike; it's a way of copping out. And that's the worst thing you can do."

Mangler

#38
January 10, 2004, 01:40:18 AM
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"The use of drugs is a perverse expression of individualism, antisocial and life-denying,It isn't an assertion of individuality; it's a substitute for it. It's not an attempt to be different when everyone else is becoming more alike; it's a way of copping out. And that's the worst thing you can do."

Mangler

#39
January 10, 2004, 01:44:22 AM
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"The use of drugs is a perverse expression of individualism, antisocial and life-denying,It isn't an assertion of individuality; it's a substitute for it. It's not an attempt to be different when everyone else is becoming more alike; it's a way of copping out. And that's the worst thing you can do."
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