Fly 18? and other Florida Courses

[shawn]

Played a course in Sarasota that claimed to be a Fly 18 course.  Pads were falling apart, but it did not matter much anyway.  Course was very wide open and around 12,400ft from the long tees.  Lots of rolling potential.  With the carts we were able to throw 2 rounds without running out of steam.  Ball golfers were very nice about letting us play through and also very puzzled at what we were doing.

If you get a chance there are 2 courses in Florida that are must are on the must play list.  Cliff Stevens in Clearwater and the Gran Canyon in Brookville.  Cliff stevens has 21 baskets and lots of shots were water is quite near the pin...we also got to walk up on a 5ft gator.  The Brooksville course was something out of this world.  The course was built on an overgrown old quarry.  As I walked up to hole one, I was amazed at the hole and thought that it could not get better and then every hole after that was just as stunning or better.  Lots of use with elevation changes and lots of distance.  This course is on my top 5 list.

[jim]

Road trip!

[airspuds]

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[reese]

Would Chicago like to play a fly 18 style course?A COUPLE OF COURSES in the area have shown some intrest in putting in a course full time.I WILL KNOW SOON.Golf carts beer and par 4s.These are courses that I meet at the PGA show in vegas the golf show.Thanks Reese fly 18    

[airspuds]

reese  i talked to you about 5 years ago from work
i think its a great concept
but  the ball golf season in Chicago is from
good friday to about hallowween (any one disagree or have a better time frame)

ball golf is still HOT in this area due to all the great courses available

there are two courses near me (60655)

blue island, il    the meadows   18 holes  approx   12300 S California

and alsip   fountain hills   9 holls   12500 s kedzie

it could be me (former ball golf er)  but i dont see a course pro
letting disc golfers out on their course

now if there was someplace near downtown available - i think it could be a huge
success

feel free to contact me (pm me with your email or phone # )

i really enjoyed talking to you the last time (like i said like 5 years ago)

any other club members have something to add

[airspuds]

good place for a demonstration

a little short


http://discontinuum.org/index.php?option=com_smf&Itemid=26&topic=1428


not working currently (got 2 interviews coming up     )  so if you need any help feel free to ask

oh by the way  this club ROCKS !!!!!

[airspuds]

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[Jon Brakel]

Would Chicago like to play a fly 18 style course?A COUPLE OF COURSES in the area have shown some intrest in putting in a course full time.I WILL KNOW SOON.Golf carts beer and par 4s.These are courses that I meet at the PGA show in vegas the golf show.Thanks Reese fly 18

I would like to see:

1) A course that is not a bunch of par 2.5 holes. I'm not a "big arm" but I would like to have a course to play that has average holes of 500, 600 feet or more. A course where a score of 70 would be a good round. That would seem to be more like what golf should be. Par 3 golf is fun and great for beginners and jrs. but I think there are a lot of disc golfers in this area that could use the challenge (both mentally and physically) of a course that has true par 4 or par 5 holes.

2) A course that is not in a mixed use park. Where I don't have to deal with throwing my disc into a pile of dog waste or I don't have to play around the picnicers who have setup their volleyball net on fairway number 5.

3) A course that is maintained and manicured for golf.

4) A Chicago area location that is easy to get to--location is important. Other amenities would be nice but these are the things that I'd really like.

I'd be willing to pay to play on a Fly 18 course, but the price has to be right. The Fly 18 course that I played in Indiana had a good price point. I think it was around $10-12 for 18 holes plus $5 each to share a cart. I think it's important to keep the price point under the $15 range for 18 holes plus an additional fee for the cart.

Would the rest of you play a Fly 18 course? How much would you be willing to spend? How often would you play? I hope that the Chicago area could get a Fly 18 course and I think there are a bunch of disc golfers in the area that would like to play there.

[Guest]

Would Chicago like to play a fly 18 style course?A COUPLE OF COURSES in the area have shown some intrest in putting in a course full time.I WILL KNOW SOON.Golf carts beer and par 4s.These are courses that I meet at the PGA show in vegas the golf show.Thanks Reese fly 18

I would like to see:

1) A course that is not a bunch of par 2.5 holes. I'm not a "big arm" but I would like to have a course to play that has average holes of 500, 600 feet or more. A course where a score of 70 would be a good round. That would seem to be more like what golf should be. Par 3 golf is fun and great for beginners and jrs. but I think there are a lot of disc golfers in this area that could use the challenge (both mentally and physically) of a course that has true par 4 or par 5 holes.

2) A course that is not in a mixed use park. Where I don't have to deal with throwing my disc into a pile of dog waste or I don't have to play around the picnicers who have setup their volleyball net on fairway number 5.

3) A course that is maintained and manicured for golf.

4) A Chicago area location that is easy to get to--location is important. Other amenities would be nice but these are the things that I'd really like.

I'd be willing to pay to play on a Fly 18 course, but the price has to be right. The Fly 18 course that I played in Indiana had a good price point. I think it was around $10-12 for 18 holes plus $5 each to share a cart. I think it's important to keep the price point under the $15 range for 18 holes plus an additional fee for the cart.

Would the rest of you play a Fly 18 course? How much would you be willing to spend? How often would you play? I hope that the Chicago area could get a Fly 18 course and I think there are a bunch of disc golfers in the area that would like to play there.

Spud call me Reese 714-235-0100 thanks

[Guest]

Would Chicago like to play a fly 18 style course?A COUPLE OF COURSES in the area have shown some intrest in putting in a course full time.I WILL KNOW SOON.Golf carts beer and par 4s.These are courses that I meet at the PGA show in vegas the golf show.Thanks Reese fly 18

I would like to see:

1) A course that is not a bunch of par 2.5 holes. I'm not a "big arm" but I would like to have a course to play that has average holes of 500, 600 feet or more. A course where a score of 70 would be a good round. That would seem to be more like what golf should be. Par 3 golf is fun and great for beginners and jrs. but I think there are a lot of disc golfers in this area that could use the challenge (both mentally and physically) of a course that has true par 4 or par 5 holes.

2) A course that is not in a mixed use park. Where I don't have to deal with throwing my disc into a pile of dog waste or I don't have to play around the picnicers who have setup their volleyball net on fairway number 5.

3) A course that is maintained and manicured for golf.

4) A Chicago area location that is easy to get to--location is important. Other amenities would be nice but these are the things that I'd really like.

I'd be willing to pay to play on a Fly 18 course, but the price has to be right. The Fly 18 course that I played in Indiana had a good price point. I think it was around $10-12 for 18 holes plus $5 each to share a cart. I think it's important to keep the price point under the $15 range for 18 holes plus an additional fee for the cart.

Would the rest of you play a Fly 18 course? How much would you be willing to spend? How often would you play? I hope that the Chicago area could get a Fly 18 course and I think there are a bunch of disc golfers in the area that would like to play there.

Spud call me Reese 714-235-0100 thanks

[airspuds]

reese i will call you tonight after nine  Chicago time
from my cell (its free then)

[Mangler]

U W Parkside is a Free Course (18 Holes) Plus its architecture leads no one to believe that it is a Ball Golf Course. Kudos to U W Parkside this is the only course in Area that is pushing the envelope in design and creativity. It is always a work in progress and exceeds most Disc Golfers Standards. Ball Golf courses for the most part have wide open landing areas and no vertical hazards, the novelty may wear off after a few rounds. There is no dought of the attractiveness of Ball Golf Courses. So if you have the urge Bring some Plastic with you the next time you go Ball Golfing and yank a few.

Ball golf courses in the Long Run will not advance disc golf, it may bring some awareness to the sport to people who dont give a Fuck. Disc Golf will progress in relation to its innovative products ie discs, disc catchers etc, course design and community relations, PDGA Clout, affordability and tournaments.

[airspuds]

ive taken my disc s with me when i play jackson park in chicago

and i like the fact that its drive drive  up  putt

im not a big thrower but i like the challange

brett, jim k, my bro bob and i  set up a ching at a country club
that one time and i thought it was awesome

[Guest]

reese i will call you tonight after nine  Chicago time
from my cell (its free then)

send me your # I will call youDisc golf on golf courses will give you everything you always wanted.Not all courses are wide  open and the courses give us a profesional venue.

[airspuds]

xxx xxx xxxx

[Jon Brakel]

U W Parkside is a Free Course (18 Holes) Plus its architecture leads no one to believe that it is a Ball Golf Course. Kudos to U W Parkside this is the only course in Area that is pushing the envelope in design and creativity. It is always a work in progress and exceeds most Disc Golfers Standards. Ball Golf courses for the most part have wide open landing areas and no vertical hazards, the novelty may wear off after a few rounds. There is no dought of the attractiveness of Ball Golf Courses. So if you have the urge Bring some Plastic with you the next time you go Ball Golfing and yank a few.

Ball golf courses in the Long Run will not advance disc golf, it may bring some awareness to the sport to people who dont give a Duck. Disc Golf will progress in relation to its innovative products ie discs, disc catchers etc, course design and community relations, PDGA Clout, affordability and tournaments.

UW Parkside is the best course in the area in my opinion. And it is free. Fly 18 courses will never replace these courses. Take a look at the SSA of Parkside from this year's Prairie Open:
UW Campus-Parkside
Layout  /                                             Holes    /  SSA
UW Campus-Parkside PRO COURSE R2/ 18      /     53.28
UW Campus-Parkside PRO COURSE R1/ 18         /  52.74

Unlike most of the courses in the area, Parkside is very close to being a true par 3 course. With pros shooting in double digit under par at most of the other courses, those courses have SSAs that are in the low 40s.

However, there is a huge difference between par 3 golf and par 4 and 5 golf. Par 4 golf requires a fairway shot that is long and accurate. Par 3 golf only requires an accurate and long drive or an accurate upshot on the longer holes. Golf, whether it is disc or ball, can be more fun and more challenging when you play true par 4 holes. Not all disc golfers will like this kind of game as not all ball golfers like par 72 courses. But I think there are enough disc golfers in the Chicago area that will enjoy this kind of golf to support at least one Fly 18 course in the area.

It is absolutely required of any successful disc golf course to have vertical hazards in order to challenge the players. The tees and baskets must be placed in order to bring trees into play, to have risk/reward shots and to not have wide open landing areas. You can't make a good Fly 18 course from a ball golf course that is completely wide open with no trees. The only Fly 18 course that I've played (in Trafalger, IN) had all the elements needed to challenge a disc golfer. Lots of OB, small landing zones, trees guarding baskets, elevation and distance.

Fly 18 courses are nothing to be afraid of. Because of the little maintenance required on disc golf courses, you will never see the end of community park, free disc golf courses. They will always be easy for park districts to put in the ground and maintain. Fly 18 courses should be looked at as a supplement to the current disc golf courses. Something to play a couple times a month or a couple times a year for the player that wants to play par 4 golf. The novelties are riding the cart, getting beer from the beer cart when it goes by and the other Golf Course ammenities. And you're right, if that's all that par 4 disc golf had to offer, the novelty would wear off quickly. However, the right course with the right layout and the right price point would offer many of us much, much more than just a novelty.