Rules question !

[pickax]

It's amazing at the different attitude towards rule violations. Sunday on hole 11, one player misses his mark by a good foot to the beneficial side along the fence. I called it. He argued it up and down a couple of different ways that he didn't. There was no second (the player standing next to me I don't think wanted to get involved), so no penalty. He was still grumbling about it at the next tee. Meanwhile, I turn to the other players in the group watching another player try to knock a disc out of a tree with a disc. I tell him he can't do that. At the next tee when collecting scores he reports his score, but adds he didn't know what to do about the practice throw. I let it slide (probably because I was tired and he was humble).

[Mukey]

I agree that rules violations and their enforcement vary greatly between players. I usually tell people about big rules and leave out smaller violations. There was a guy in my 1st round group who loved to look at people's footing. He said something to one guy on his drive, me on a jump putt/approach where the disc was clearly out of my hand before I landed, and another when I was in the middle of the fairway on 11 throwing my 2nd shot. Not sure how far away I was, but I was no where near a tree, fence, or other object. I felt like throwing the guy in the pond. Gotta make sure to get enough volunteer points to get into a good group, or at least with someone I know 1st round at Crystal lake.

[Chainmeister]

It's amazing at the different attitude towards rule violations. Sunday on hole 11, one player misses his mark by a good foot to the beneficial side along the fence. I called it. He argued it up and down a couple of different ways that he didn't. There was no second (the player standing next to me I don't think wanted to get involved), so no penalty. He was still grumbling about it at the next tee. Meanwhile, I turn to the other players in the group watching another player try to knock a disc out of a tree with a disc. I tell him he can't do that. At the next tee when collecting scores he reports his score, but adds he didn't know what to do about the practice throw. I let it slide (probably because I was tired and he was humble).

No need to use a disc. I cannot recall who it was but somebody I played with threw a disc in a tree.  A couple tosses of a water bottle eventually dislodged the disc.  Also, haven't we all, during a casual round, seen somebody throw a disc at the first disc and now there are two discs stuck in the tree!

[DiscCrazy]

Spuds, buddy, put a rulebook in your bag 

It was my disc that was picked up and thrown by the old Greek guy. And I think that we all knew what the rule was.

The question is; that I, the person who's disc was picked up and thrown, was the only one that saw where it landed because one person was looking for his disc in the pond and the others were hanging back waiting for another person to throw. So if I, the player, was the only one who saw where it landed, then how can the group make a decision on where the original location was? Since I was the only one do I say where the original location was or do I play it from where it was thrown to?

[pickax]

Talk to the group on the way up. As long as they trust you, you can replace the disc as best as you can. If they think you are pulling a fast one, they'll tell you play it where it lies. One thing that might make it the appear better is to stand closer to where you were throwing from and direct another player drop it where you think it was. That way there's no complaints about intentionally dropping it with a clearer shot around the trees.

[DiscCrazy]

I guess easier said than done. The majority of the group just said whatever. So I played it from where it was, about 40 feet farther away from the basket from where I originally throw it. Either way got a four and moved on.

[Mukey]

Spuds, buddy, put a rulebook in your bag 

It was my disc that was picked up and thrown by the old Greek guy. And I think that we all knew what the rule was.

The question is; that I, the person who's disc was picked up and thrown, was the only one that saw where it landed because one person was looking for his disc in the pond and the others were hanging back waiting for another person to throw. So if I, the player, was the only one who saw where it landed, then how can the group make a decision on where the original location was? Since I was the only one do I say where the original location was or do I play it from where it was thrown to?

Hopefully your group saw the guy throw the disc so they wouldn't think you were trying to cheat by moving the disc back to it's original location. Also, hopefully your group hung back when you threw and saw where your throw went, but you state that only you saw where the original throw landed. I think it's weird that no one in your group saw where your shot landed, bad form on their part. I personally watch everyone's shots, both to gauge wind & prevent scoring mixups.

I say play the original spot

Oh yeah, you coulda always played a provisional and asked the TD when you turned the card in, almost forgot about that

[pickax]

Courtesy warning for all the folk not paying attention. j/k

As for getting discs down out of trees, nothing beats a FatMax tape measure. Though I did encounter a time where a player stated that carrying the tape measure was illegal. I had to pull out the rule book and show him where it is explicitly allowed to have one.

[Jon Brakel]

It's part of the rules that you have to enforce the rules against other people. So, if they weren't watching your shot, they weren't playing by the rules (you have to watch the shots to call the infractions). If it were brought to my attention then I'd tell the guy whose shot it was to throw from where he thinks it is closest to where the original shot landed since only he was paying attention. The others in the group lose their right to have an opinion once they stopped paying attention.

[Jon Brakel]

I agree that rules violations and their enforcement vary greatly between players. I usually tell people about big rules and leave out smaller violations. There was a guy in my 1st round group who loved to look at people's footing. He said something to one guy on his drive, me on a jump putt/approach where the disc was clearly out of my hand before I landed...Gotta make sure to get enough volunteer points to get into a good group, or at least with someone I know 1st round at Crystal lake.

Hmmmm...I might have to play a round with you at Crystal Lake...I love calling foot faults on the jump putts/approaches/throws! You have to have a point of contact with the ground directly behind your mini (or disc) at the moment of release. It's a foot fault if you jump, are in the air, release the disc, and then land...whether you land before, after or at your mark.

[DiscCrazy]

Hopefully your group saw the guy throw the disc so they wouldn't think you were trying to cheat by moving the disc back to it's original location.

What if the group at the next tee saw where it was? One of them clearly saw the guy pick up my disc and throw it towards them. Can you ask them if they saw the original location?

[Jon Brakel]

Hopefully your group saw the guy throw the disc so they wouldn't think you were trying to cheat by moving the disc back to it's original location.

What if the group at the next tee saw where it was? One of them clearly saw the guy pick up my disc and throw it towards them. Can you ask them if they saw the original location?

There's nothing in the rules that allows a person in another group to make calls like this, however, a person could certainly use people in another group to help gain consensus for their group. For example you might say "Bob from the group on hole 15 saw what happened because he tried and eventually did stop the guy from running off with my disc." So, your group asks Bob where the original spot of the disc was and he says "Right over there by that flowering clover patch." If you don't disagree then the rest of your group probably says "OK, play it from there."

[pickax]

When we were teeing off for 20, a guy on my card noticed a disc for the next group tossed back. He fetched it to put it back where it had originally landed. IMO He should have asked permission from that player first.

In hindsight we should have put a spotter on hole 19 by the basket if there was one available second round.

[Mukey]

I agree that rules violations and their enforcement vary greatly between players. I usually tell people about big rules and leave out smaller violations. There was a guy in my 1st round group who loved to look at people's footing. He said something to one guy on his drive, me on a jump putt/approach where the disc was clearly out of my hand before I landed...Gotta make sure to get enough volunteer points to get into a good group, or at least with someone I know 1st round at Crystal lake.

Hmmmm...I might have to play a round with you at Crystal Lake...I love calling foot faults on the jump putts/approaches/throws! You have to have a point of contact with the ground directly behind your mini (or disc) at the moment of release. It's a foot fault if you jump, are in the air, release the disc, and then land...whether you land before, after or at your mark.

That's cool, I'd appreciate the look from someone I trust. I'm 90% sure I wasn't in the air at release, more of I released before I came down on the other side of my mini.

[Jon Brakel]

I agree that rules violations and their enforcement vary greatly between players. I usually tell people about big rules and leave out smaller violations. There was a guy in my 1st round group who loved to look at people's footing. He said something to one guy on his drive, me on a jump putt/approach where the disc was clearly out of my hand before I landed...Gotta make sure to get enough volunteer points to get into a good group, or at least with someone I know 1st round at Crystal lake.

Hmmmm...I might have to play a round with you at Crystal Lake...I love calling foot faults on the jump putts/approaches/throws! You have to have a point of contact with the ground directly behind your mini (or disc) at the moment of release. It's a foot fault if you jump, are in the air, release the disc, and then land...whether you land before, after or at your mark.

That's cool, I'd appreciate the look from someone I trust. I'm 90% sure I wasn't in the air at release, more of I released before I came down on the other side of my mini.

What kind of throw are you talking about? You say you weren't in the air but you released before you "came down on the other side of my mini".

Are you just talking about follow through of the non-plant foot? Your plant foot is behind your mini and you throw your upshot (outside of the putting circle) and your plant foot pivots after you release and your non-plant foot comes off the ground and then you step down in front of your mini?

What I just described is a legal shot outside the circle.

[Mukey]

I agree that rules violations and their enforcement vary greatly between players. I usually tell people about big rules and leave out smaller violations. There was a guy in my 1st round group who loved to look at people's footing. He said something to one guy on his drive, me on a jump putt/approach where the disc was clearly out of my hand before I landed...Gotta make sure to get enough volunteer points to get into a good group, or at least with someone I know 1st round at Crystal lake.

Hmmmm...I might have to play a round with you at Crystal Lake...I love calling foot faults on the jump putts/approaches/throws! You have to have a point of contact with the ground directly behind your mini (or disc) at the moment of release. It's a foot fault if you jump, are in the air, release the disc, and then land...whether you land before, after or at your mark.

That's cool, I'd appreciate the look from someone I trust. I'm 90% sure I wasn't in the air at release, more of I released before I came down on the other side of my mini.

What kind of throw are you talking about? You say you weren't in the air but you released before you "came down on the other side of my mini".

Are you just talking about follow through of the non-plant foot? Your plant foot is behind your mini and you throw your upshot (outside of the putting circle) and your plant foot pivots after you release and your non-plant foot comes off the ground and then you step down in front of your mini?

What I just described is a legal shot outside the circle.

It's more of a step or two towards my mini then a jumping motion to give the disc more momentum. Not like a basketball jump shot where the actual shot is at the top of the jump, more like my release is right before the "jump"

[Jon Brakel]

I agree that rules violations and their enforcement vary greatly between players. I usually tell people about big rules and leave out smaller violations. There was a guy in my 1st round group who loved to look at people's footing. He said something to one guy on his drive, me on a jump putt/approach where the disc was clearly out of my hand before I landed...Gotta make sure to get enough volunteer points to get into a good group, or at least with someone I know 1st round at Crystal lake.

Hmmmm...I might have to play a round with you at Crystal Lake...I love calling foot faults on the jump putts/approaches/throws! You have to have a point of contact with the ground directly behind your mini (or disc) at the moment of release. It's a foot fault if you jump, are in the air, release the disc, and then land...whether you land before, after or at your mark.

That's cool, I'd appreciate the look from someone I trust. I'm 90% sure I wasn't in the air at release, more of I released before I came down on the other side of my mini.

What kind of throw are you talking about? You say you weren't in the air but you released before you "came down on the other side of my mini".

Are you just talking about follow through of the non-plant foot? Your plant foot is behind your mini and you throw your upshot (outside of the putting circle) and your plant foot pivots after you release and your non-plant foot comes off the ground and then you step down in front of your mini?

What I just described is a legal shot outside the circle.

It's more of a step or two towards my mini then a jumping motion to give the disc more momentum. Not like a basketball jump shot where the actual shot is at the top of the jump, more like my release is right before the "jump"

What you are describing there sounds legal. In the first post of yours that I quoted you said "disc was clearly out of my hand before I landed." The implication of "before I landed" is that you were in the air. However, if you meant before you jumped, then it is legal.

[Mukey]

I'll demonstrate at Crystal lake to be sure, but you confirmed what I was thinking

[stpitner]

^^^ this is why I don't jump putt - although it sounds more like putt jumping.

[airspuds]

i do have a rule book in my bag

but i was wearing down fast in that second round ( both body and mind)
so my head definitely wasnt in the game
and my elbow was tingling, and the arm screaming after some drives


not an excuse but  i have played only
2 rounds oly
3 rounds  mokena
1 round long madison meadows lombard
1 practice putt session

before sunday