Mundelein

[Jon Brakel]

There is a nine hole course coming to Mundelein soon! More info when I find out.

[mirth]

I'm down. Just tell me where & when.

[mirth]

I have two favorite sentances from that page....

Golf discs are especially designed for golf.

and

The park board will be monitoring this new facility closely.  If it is well used and appreciated they will consider building an 18 hole facility at another park.

[mirth]

Mangler (08-27-2003 02:45 p.m.):

This is a discussion board about Mundelein and the future of a disc golf course.



Not an arena to air dirty laundry about personal that work for a forward thinking community.



Your logic is bad..What are your opinions of other community personal that do not encourage disc golf in their communities ?



Your input was valuable, why discredit yourself ?



I have given information that I thought would be of use to your membership for the Benefit of the Sport for all age's.



I will therefore not provide any more info on this or any board affiliated to Discontinuum; until a retraction is made on Brakels last comments.



Remember it is in the best interest for all that Local Park Districts are treated in the highest respect. They provide the best resource for Real-estate needed for Courses.



They should not be bad rapped on this Board.



BYE

Bruce is the Michigan State Coordinator for the PDGA, and knows quite a few things about course design.



That said, I've had countless occasions playing area courses where casual groups behind me throw, even when I'm well within range of their drives.



Please take our suggestions as that, suggestions. Just remember that its a lot harder to change the layout once the course goes into the ground.

[mirth]

Here's a suggestion for the proposed layout seen in this image:

[img=http://www.rafansrule.org/~mirth/Post-1-799-llmpddisc.jpg]



I see the red dots are pin placements. Why force the 9-hole course on five baskets? Why not make it a five hole par-15 family course.

Most park districts like for equiment and park features to be safe, after all its both theirs and the responsible person's risk exposure if someone gets injured at a park.

[mirth]

Why not involve the wooded area along the NE border of the park? That could be a good alternative to forcing groups on two tees to throw at the same basket...

[jim]

Do you know who's behind it?  What's the deal?

[jim]

Myk has connections at the Libertyville PD; maybe he can help too!

[jim]

Mangler, did you measure these yourself or get distances from MundeleinPD?

either way, looks like it will be interesting!

THANKS!

[jim]

yep. thanks!

[jim]

Check this out. Mundelien website with info!

http://www.mundeleinparks.org/DiskGolf.html

[jim]

I wonder who put all this together. Obviously, someone with experience has been helping somewhere.

Either way, its ANOTHER COURSE!



BTW, we should hear about Wildwood within the next week or two.

[jim]

What's with all the cross-over holes? Looks like only two groups can play at the same time.

[jim]

I applaud and am excited about any new course! Congrats to those involved in putting it in the ground.

However, I'd rather see a good 5-hole course than one which creates hazardous situations. From my 11 years of playng disc golf, my experience is that, generally, disc golfers do NOT look out for each other that often.

I will play the course so that I may speak from a specific experience, but that layout will surely not work.

Where did Mundelein get the baskets?

[jim]

I just spoke with Mr. Alex Marx of the Mundelein PD. I called to get info about the course and where they are purchasing their baskets.  He would not tell me where they were purchased from, but did say that it was an established vendor.

He added that if someone were to approach him with used baskets out of the back of a van, he'd buy them w/o question to save a few bucks. Yes, he actually said that.  What an ASS!

He also said that the course would not open for at least another 60 days.

[jim]

Mangler, wow, why are you getting so upset?  What is YOUR interest and what role are YOU playing in this 'forward-thinking" community?

If you have ANY experience with disc golf courses, you will see that a layout like the one you've shown is very flawed.  Yes, I for one appreciate any and all efforts to promote disc golf.  If you had a hand in it, GREAT!  You've done a great service to the sport.  But course design is another matter altogether.  there is so much to take into consideration.....

and I'd bet that 99% of actual, experienced course designers will agree that it is better to put in 5 good holes with 5 baskets than to force a 9-hole layout.

Seriously, the VHPD would never agree to building that layout simply because of INSURANCE LIABILITY.



And I'd really like to know what your involvement is.  If you've got good stuff to offer the disc golf community, let people know about it.  If you offer no SUBSTANTIAL or VERIFIABLE data, you're just blowing smoke.

[jim]

Mangler, several people have told me that I came off too hard on my posts.  Although I do not agree, perhaps i do need to re-emphasize how much disc golf needs good, solid promotion.  If you are trying to get a course in the ground, that's good promotion.

My personal goals, in fact our club goals, include the positive, encouraging promotion of the sport and support to the people who play it.  We 've learned a lot over the past few years. Some of us have been playing for over a decade and have been to countless tourneys and events.  We've got some experience behind what we say.  Not that we're all experts leading mistake-free lives, but please consider the suggestions/concerns when designing your course.

There are contradictions between what you've posted over the past few months and what the VH & Mundelein PDs have told me yesterday.  Maybe its all a big hush hush deal with those suburbs, but if so, someone of experience needs to be involved as well.

In designing a course, you should consider:

-safety of players

-safety of pedestrians

-flow of play

-future expansion or moving of tees or baskets

-natural landscape

-level of abililty/skill of all potential players

-balanced mix of left/right/straight holes



and so much more.  If this is the first course you've designed, please be open to these issues.  What good is a course that may get pulled just because of safety concerns.  One persona who gets hit by a disc can not only get the course yanked, but get you sued as well.



We're/I'm not trying to order you around with my great big stick of experience. Part of the aim of these posts are to help you; I do not want to see a disc golfer suffer from bad planning or oversights. I'd rather see your hard work get a course in the ground and have it stay in the ground.  I'm really sorry, but your current layout is not condusive to this.



Please accept my apologies if anything I said offended you deeply; not my intention.

[CEValkyrie]

sweet! another course, AWESOME

[CEValkyrie]

Jon,

    I called the park district this morning. The secretary was not very receptive to my call. I was able to get a name out of her. Supposedly that person is in charge of the course. I left a voice mail & hopefully they'll call back.

[CEValkyrie]

I would like to see the layout. I talked to a Mundelein Park District Employee in May & he said the disc golf course was a bust for Mundelein. He said it was not approved and would not go into the ground.