IOS #7 @ Fairfield

[CEValkyrie]

Looks like there are a couple that need to be bumped up with the new ratings:
Currently pre-regd in Int
Ben Schwinn      22836     Yes     919      Madison     WI     USA
Doug Walker    25428    Yes    916     Vernon Hills    IL    USA
Currently pre-regd in Rec
Mike Packer      29772     Yes     910      Rockford     IL     USA
John Reese    29773    Yes    885     Machesny Park    IL    USA
Marie Schwinn    21297    Yes    876     Madison    WI    USA
Tim Steward    28106    Yes    876     Round Lake Beach    IL    USA

Once the points are updated in the next few days i'll go thur the Non PDGA members again to check ratings. Joe Stephens is now bumped up to Int & Brian Custer is now Advanced.  It looks like Roger Esquivel gets to play Int with a 911 rating which included 5 IOS events & IL States.

[Cannon Boy]

Going to be some stiff comp. in the open div.  with "Happy Gilmore" atending this event.

[can't putt]

... which included 5 IOS events & IL States.

Is it fair to include IL States since it is not included in the PDGA updates?  The reason I ask is that I'm pretty sure some PDGA members would be bumped had IL States been included.

[Jon Brakel]

... which included 5 IOS events & IL States.

Is it fair to include IL States since it is not included in the PDGA updates?  The reason I ask is that I'm pretty sure some PDGA members would be bumped had IL States been included.

That's a good point.

[pickax]

It also helped prevent people from being bumped. It goes both ways. If the goal is to accurately get people in the correct divisions, include it. If the non-PDGA folk don't think it's fair, become a member so that you have an official rating.

[Dan Michler]

if u want to be accurate then how can you include IL States.  as we have seen, the preliminary ratings are often alot different than the official ratings.  that being said I would include it in case somebody has been tearing it up and has no business playing in a lower division.

[pickax]

At least for the IOS tournaments, the unofficials were lower than the officials. Never higher.

[pickax]

One thing that surprises me is the number of people that have shelled out $5 PDGA non-member fees for more than 5 tournaments over the year. These guys really need to be encouraged to join the PDGA before they show up at Fairfield.

[Chainmeister]

Much ado about nothing here.  You include ratings from the last official update-- period.  Ill States is slow and is not official.  Its not included. Some poeple go up and some go down when the late tourrnaments are included.  It all comes out in the wash.  Look up your rating on PDGA and use that figure for the next tournament. Yeah, the unofficials for IOS seem lower than official.  It doesn't matter as we should only group people based on official ratings. Its similar to when Nick and Kenny were non-PDGA and shooting lights out but nothing counted until they joined.

[Bruce Brakel]

My thought on IOS non-PDGA bumping is that if they had been a member for the past year and would be bumped by rating, then they should be bumped by rating, so I would only look at tournaments that count for members.  But I'm not doing the math.  I don't know if you are talking about someone in particular or what. 

[CEValkyrie]

I looked thru every IL event and any close WI events for rated rounds. You won't find too many TD's doing this. Tell your friends to play the IOS  . If you know these guys tell them to join the PDGA. If they purchase a PDGA membership prior to IOS #7 we have to allow them to play any division they choose if age & gender appropriate.


Brian Custer will definitely making the move up to Advanced.
IOS #1 916, 888
IOS #2 960, 970
IOS #3 911, 957
IOS #4 965, 912
IOS #5 955, 909
9343/10=934.3

Joe Stephens will definitely making the move up to Intermediate.
IOS #1 842, 888
IOS #3 939, 921
IOS #4 892, 893
IOS #5 899, 939
DGCI--- 955, 905
9073/10=907.3

Greg Guther will be able to continue to play Recreational
IOS #1 858, 835
IOS #2 872, 932
IOS #3 882, 891
IOS #4 892, 882
IOS #5 862, 799
8705/10= 870.5
IL States 784, 840
IOS #6 902, 832
12063/14=861.6

We will get back to you about Roger & Raynaldo.

[Bruce Brakel]

Yeah, it also makes sense that PDGA rules trump local rules on bumping.  The PDGA rules specifically provide that members cannot be bumped under local rules. 

[CEValkyrie]

Bruce and I talked via IM tonight. It is only fair that the ratings be calculated off the same ratings that every player has been rated off. This is why it's important for TD's to get reports sent in on time. See the breakdowns below & you'll see why.  Roger will be asked to bump up to Advanced for IOS #7. Raynaldo gets to play Int again. Of the top 15 points earners in Intermediate only 4 will have ratings that allow them to play in Intermedate after the update.

If they purchase a PDGA membership prior to IOS #7 we have to allow them to play any division they choose if age & gender appropriate.

Roger Esquivel
IOS #1 899,920
IOS #2 911,904
IOS #3 882-966
IOS #5 909, 919
Prarie 0. 911-957
9178/10= 917.8
IL STS 864, 906
10948/12=912.33
IOS #6 930,928
12806/14=914.7

(Ray)naldo Esquivel
IOS #1 916,899
IOS #2 881,913
IOS #3 920, 975
IOS #4 869,939
IOS #5 918, 879
Prairie O. 922, 936
10967/12=913.9
IL STS 908, 906
12781/14=912.9
IOS #6 883, 874
14538/16=908.6

[Bruce Brakel]

To any non-members who are being bumped up:

I hope everyone understands that you are being bumped up based on the same tournaments that the PDGA is using to bump up PDGA members.  Many, many members got bumped up this last ratings update, including most of the points leaders in Rec and Intermediate.  Nobody is being worked here; this is the only fair way to deal with non-members.

If we missed any of your out-of-state PDGA scores, be sure to tell us. 

Finally, PDGA rules are quite clear that if you join the PDGA you can continue to play in your prefered division until the PDGA gives you a rating and moves you up.  Our bumping rule only applies to non-members. 

[stpitner]

I appreciate all of the effort you guys are putting into this!  Not many people would be willing to take the time to look at all of those ratings.

I do have a question though: for the guys that are bumped to the earlier day (eg. Brian Custer) and moving from intermediate to advanced, are you going to try to email them or send them a letter to let them know?  I would feel bad if they don't come to these boards, don't pre-register, show up on Sunday expecting to play and then told that they had to show up the day before in order to play.  You guys do such an awesome job already, it would stink to see someone get ticked to find out they missed the correct day and then start bad-mouthing the IOS tournaments.

Just a thought-

[Bruce Brakel]

Brett is going to be personally contacting some of the bumped players.  So I'm hoping Brett is on that.  Brett: Intermediate non-members whom we are bumping to advanced -- make sure they are told personally. 

Also, I was on the phone with Jon tonight and he agrees with all of this too. 

[Abelardo Arenas]

Roger will be asked to bump up to Advanced for IOS #7. Raynaldo gets to play Int again.

I'll let Roger & Ray know.

They're playing the Channahon Classic today; but I'll probably get with them on Sunday.

[tacimala]

So how would this affect the point standings for those people having to change divisions in the middle of a series?

[CEValkyrie]

So how would this affect the point standings for those people having to change divisions in the middle of a series?

Many PDGA players have been bumped. Pretty much the top 10 to 15 in Int & Rec. That was another factor we took into consideration when bumping these players.

SERIES POINTS
This series is set up for fun and competition. Overall champions win a trophy and bragging rights. If you play any day of the 2006 Illinois Open Series you are automatically entered into the series. It costs no extra fee to enter the series. There will be no deductions from tournament payouts to pay for overall series champion trophies. See trophy payouts below.
Points only count in the division in which they are earned. For example, if Bruce plays Advanced at the first event and receives 12 points then plays advanced masters at the next event and earns 12 points, he does not have a total of 24 points. He would have 12 points in advanced and 12 points in advanced masters.
Participants will be awarded one point for each tournament entered and one point for each player they beat in their division.
A player who DNFs (Does Not Finish), will receive 0 (zero) points for that tournament.
Overall points will be calculated from best 5 of 7 events.
Any ties for first place at the end of the series will result in a sudden death playoff at the Fairfield Fairwell. A player who is tied for first but is not present automatically loses the playoff.

[tacimala]

OK makes sense then. No money being taken out to go to the series winner so not a big deal to do that. Some series events take way too much money out of each event and in the end the person who improved the most over the season wins. I like this way better for sure.