2007 IOS Schedule

[damonshort]

Now don't nobody get excited, I'm just asking...

I'm seeing a few things scheduled in WI for next year and just wondering how close youse guys are to getting dates finalized.

[CEValkyrie]

Now don't nobody get excited, I'm just asking...

I'm seeing a few things scheduled in WI for next year and just wondering how close youse guys are to getting dates finalized.

Waiting on the PDGA to post them. Bruce sent in the info.

[DougEDawg]

i know it's prolly off the top of your head, Brett, but what are the dates and corresponding places?

[damonshort]

i know it's prolly off the top of your head, Brett, but what are the dates and corresponding places?

Nah, don't say a word til it's official. Just curious how close you were and it sounds pretty close.

[tree]

i know it's prolly off the top of your head, Brett, but what are the dates and corresponding places?

I agree with Damon-it doesn't pay to post before we get the PDGA blessing.

[Bruce Brakel]

We have one last date to confirm with the parks people.  I think that will get wrapped up pretty quickly after everyone gets back from their holiday vacations.  I might start sending in the sanctioning agreements this weekend.  I wanted to talk to Dave Gentry about our Am IV concept first but no one was in when i called this week. 

[DougEDawg]

How 'bout just posting the dates you know have been confirmed by the PDGA?

[CEValkyrie]

How 'bout just posting the dates you know have been confirmed by the PDGA?

No dates have been ok'd with the PDGA. It takes us a little longer since we want to see the surrounding events & when they'll be. The patience paid off last year and there were very few conficts. Once the PDGA ok's the submitted schedule we'll release the dates.

[Jon Brakel]

How 'bout just posting the dates you know have been confirmed by the PDGA?

No dates have been ok'd with the PDGA. It takes us a little longer since we want to see the surrounding events & when they'll be. The patience paid off last year and there were very few conficts. Once the PDGA ok's the submitted schedule we'll release the dates.

Despite the popular oppinion, our schedule is more of a waltz than an invasion!

[Bruce Brakel]

On the overalls thread there was discussion about how we could do a lot more tournaments.  We could.  The bottom line is, to do a tournament the way we do takes about a month.  We could crank them out every week, burn out, get sick of it, or we can do what we are doing, about one per month in season, and hum along just fine. 

Brett and I like to get out and play tournaments we aren't responsible for, and Jon has other things going on in his life besides disc golf.  One a month seems to work well for us and for our player base. 

On the lower attendance in winter thing, lower attendance just means you want to avoid courses that charge a fat park use fee and maybe drop your sanctioning down to C/C.  I play all winter and if I were closer would run winter stuff in Illinois.  Jon does not like survival golf in any season and winter golf is rougher on the TD than it is on the player.  I like survival golf.  I play best, relative to the field, under severe weather circumstances. 

If you're aching for a good winter tournament, make a weekend of it and come to the Byron Ice Bowl.  Brass payouts and the warming house sells beer.  Need I say more?  On the way home you can hit some of the Pro-Am Worlds 2008 courses.  The traffic around Chicago is much more manageable this time of the year.  Byron will be fun.  It will be more like disc golf than anything I've ever done there. 

[Cannon Boy]

Yes I would rather have less tournaments and more bang for your buck at each one, I think the IOS has took a step in the right direction by dropping a tourney. 

[Bruce Brakel]

Here's some 2007 IOS tidbits.  I'm pretty sure these are all true, but sometimes things change, like when I've got it wrong, or I miscounted when trying to count to 2:

[Note: Juniors will be playing on Sunday with the lower divisions.]

We are going ahead with Am IV.  Am IV is not a PDGA division.  It is an opportunity for PDGA members rated less than 835 to compete for prizes and a trophy disc against other PDGA members rated less than 835 by paying the Am 3 trophy only entry fee plus a sidebet that pays for the prizes and the trophy.  For PDGA purposes Am IVs are trophy-only Am IIIs with a little side action.  For purposes of competition, it will look and feel a lot like a division, except in the morning we have to mix you in with the Recs.  In the afternoon we'll tweak the mix to get the ones competing for the trophy disc on the same card.  We'll try this for a year and see if it furthers my secret agenda.  If a computer-savvy Am IV wants to help promote Am IV I have some promotional ideas.  Contact me. 

Entry fees are going up, down and sideways:

Division	Day	Full Fee	Trophy-Only	Pre-Reg Discount
All Pros	Saturday	$50	$15	$5
All Advanced	Saturday	$40	$20	$5
All Juniors	Saturday	N/A	$20	$5
Int, Rec and Am IV	Sunday	$30	$20	$5

So what this means is every entry fee is going up about $5, except Sunday entry fees are going up $7 and amateur trophy-only is going up $6.  If you pre-register by any means, you get a $5 discount.  If you pre-register at the on-line store, you get the $5 discount but you still have to pay the extra couple of bucks for the paypal fee. 

So, the players who are not getting the $5 discount are contributing $5 more toward the pro purse or am prizes for their division.  We'll do this for a year and see if it furthers anyone's secret agenda.       

[Mitch]

I like the Pre-Reg discount! Would you consider an additional discount if one payed for all six events in advance by a particular date?

[Younk]

Pros and Advanced will still be on Saturday but Juniors are moving to Saturday too. 

Correct me if I'm wrong but I thought I read somewhere before the 2006 season that the 2007 season was going to be Pros and Advanced on Sunday and then alternating every year? 

[Mukey]

Not sure where you read that, but I'm pretty sure they're going to stick with the days as is. If my memory serves, it's better for Bruce so he isn't playing all day & then driving hours back to Michigan.

[CEValkyrie]

Last year was a trial run and it was very successful. One factor was Bruce having to drive back after playing all day. Another was scheduling. Since many tournies run their Adv/Pro on Sunday we have been able to get some flexiblity without conflicts by switching Adv/Pro to Saturday. We are planning on sticking with the Adv/Pro on Saturday.

[Bruce Brakel]

I also like the fact that it gives the pro and advanced players first look at the new stuff.  And, the rec and int players who are inclined to play both days are more likely to play both days if they are playing up and playing trophy-only on Saturday.  Which brings me to another thing, if the Sunday players want to practice the course on Saturday they can play trophy-only and do that, but only if the Sunday players are the lower players.  When you run the divisions the traditional way there are always a few prima donna Sunday players who get all pissy when you won'y let them on to practice the course during the tournament. 

It is all six or seven of those reasons. 

The only reason I can think of for why TDs do it the other way is that they are planning on skimming a lot of money off the lower divisions to add to the upper divisions.  The MDGO was one of the first organizations to run split-day tournaments.  That's why they did that. 

[SERG]

Do you think this may cause some backups and irritated people if the Junior divisions are playing from different tee pads?

[Note: Juniors will be playing on Sunday with the lower divisions.]

[Dan Michler]

not to mention pro or advanced players could end up playing in the same group as a junior.  not that i have a problem playing with younger players, but most juniors do not take a tournament anywhere near as serious as the average pro/adv player which could be more than a little distracting.

[Note: Juniors will be playing on Sunday with the lower divisions.]

[Jon Brakel]

I totally understand that you don't want something or someone to distract you while playing. However, the tournament aspect of the sport of disc golf has been built on existing players teaching the new players the rules, etiquette, tournament processes, etc. Who would be better at teaching the juniors than the more experienced players rather than the Recreational players.

However, unless an entire group of pros ASKED to be grouped with one or more jrs., you won't see juniors mixed with pros at any IOS where I'm doing the grouping. And I do the grouping on the pro day at all the IOS events.

[Note: Juniors will be playing on Sunday with the lower divisions.]