2004 ILLINOIS OPEN SERIES

[CEValkyrie]

I however decided to take the $10.00 coupon from my entry fee & paid $33.00 instead of $43.00 to play a B-Tier event.

How was it you were able to get the $10 but I was told I had to take the $15 in brass? In the long run I'm happy I got the $15 brass cuz I was able to buy a polo for next to nothing...

It was on the flyer & I asked them for the $10.00 coupon.  

[mirth]

Interesting. Will this be available for Fairfield, or were you just grandfathered in?

[damonshort]

I didn't know he could jump that high.

Maybe that's why my knee hurts today.

I lost sight of the disc on that drive, didn't even think it was that good until one of the other guys in my group yelled out and suddenly there it was (almost) in the chains.

The near-miss at Streamwood  I didn't see at all, but it was a lot louder. Maybe I'll get one at Fairfield to actually stay in the basket.  

that shot on #10 was right after I was distracted by some passing bikers on #9 and griplocked my drive into the bushes and took a 5; same thing happened on a different hole the 2nd round.

[myndcraft]

Payouts where nice, I took 2nd place losing to John by 4 strokes(+2 for the day)

I could have given him a better run if I hadn't missed 2 3' foot puts for deuces (yes they really where 3'.

Anyways 60 in Brass Cash plus another 24 for the two CTPs I won brought me to 84 in Brass Cash.

Instead of saving for a basket though I decided to try out some new plastic. I picked up:

(2) Champion Viking 171g
(2) Champion Orc 166g
(2) Z-Flash 168g

[CEValkyrie]

Interesting. Will this be available for Fairfield, or were you just grandfathered in?

It will be available for Fairfield just like the 2 prior events. It's on the flyers, you just have to ask for the coupon.

Edited for addition.

Several Am players have used this advertised player pack option at both events.  

[Jon Brakel]

Interesting. Will this be available for Fairfield, or were you just grandfathered in?

The PDGA decided to make it so complicated for me to give a discount on the entry fee as an optional player pack that I decided it would be impossible to explain to everyone who was at registration. However, it is on every flyer that is posted in the tri-state area so I didn't want to recind the offer. You may get $10 off your entry by asking for the "No Cash Back" $10 coupon. You MUST ask for the coupon BEFORE you pay your entry fee. Otherwise we have to void your registration card, refund your money and you have to register again. I told our registration volunteers to not explain it to anyone who didn't ask. If they had tried to explain this at registration to everyone, we'd still be doing Saturday registration right now!  

If the PDGA doesn't let me run it as the $10 cash back option next year, then I just won't do it. It's not worth the hassle. I am considering coming down $10 in the entry fee for next year. It will make the entry fees and payouts lower, but the payout value to entry fee ratio will still be the same. This year I went with straight PDGA suggested entry fees for B tier events, but from what I'm hearing some people would rather pay a lower entry fee.

[mirth]

Good to know. Thanks guys.,

[damonshort]

... from what I'm hearing some people would rather pay a lower entry fee.

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[Jon Brakel]

... from what I'm hearing some people would rather pay a lower entry fee.

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From a paper work stand point the trophy only option is such a pain! I have no plans at this time to offer a trophy only option.

[Bruce Brakel]

... from what I'm hearing some people would rather pay a lower entry fee.

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From a paper work stand point the trophy only option is such a pain! I have no plans at this time to offer a trophy only option.

Jon, just a thought, trophy-only becomes much less of a pain on the accounting if you abolish the coupon concept.  Why not meditate on trophy-only but go with the PDGA flow on the coupon thing?  To everyone else I'd say, Jon really is the TD for these events and I'm not the TD puppetmaster.  

Damon, with a trophy-only B-tier, you'd still have to pay for the mando player-pack as part of your entry fee.  Your entry fee might drop from $35 to $20 for Advanced Master at a hypothetical future trophy-only B-event, or from $28 to $20 for Intermediate.  I have not done the numbers, but I try to price the trophy-only at a place where I don't care what you choose.  If Jon were to meditate on this, he'd probably consult me on the pricing/accounting issue.  

Is dropping from $35 to $20 or from $28 to $20 and opting out of payouts an attraction?  Trophy-onlies are still in for CTPs and ace pool type stuff.

[Jon Brakel]

So far they have been 2 really good run tournaments. Two 2nd place finishes and i already have enough for a skillshot.
At streamwood i finished 2nd of 14 i got $61.00 in funny money, plus the $15 from the player pack and a sweet trophy
At crystal lake i finished 2nd of 14 and got $60.00 plus the $15.00 players pack and another sweet trophy.
But both were run really well and i cant wait till the 3rd one at Fairfield.

Todd,

I'm glad you had a good time. Fairfield is going to be even better this year!

Thanks for playing in the IOS!!!

[damonshort]

Is the rope for OB at the Fairfield Firewall or whatever it is going to apply to just the pros or for everyone who plays Sunday?

[Jon Brakel]

Is the rope for OB at the Fairfield Firewall or whatever it is going to apply to just the pros or for everyone who plays Sunday?

The plan is for all Sunday players. There will be OB on parts of the swamp or perhaps all, an island hole of OB on #5, probably some on #1 and probably a seperation OB line on numbers 18 and 12. Bruce is the ropification master, so maybe he'll share his plan here. We will leave the wooded holes alone, this is just to add a bit of challenge for the upper players on the holes that don't really have much challenge right now.

[Bruce Brakel]

Is the rope for OB at the Fairfield Firewall or whatever it is going to apply to just the pros or for everyone who plays Sunday?

The plan is for all Sunday players. There will be OB on parts of the swamp or perhaps all, an island hole of OB on #5, probably some on #1 and probably a seperation OB line on numbers 18 and 12. Bruce is the ropification master, so maybe he'll share his plan here. We will leave the wooded holes alone, this is just to add a bit of challenge for the upper players on the holes that don't really have much challenge right now.

The ropemaster speaks:

The minimum plan is to make 18 seperate from 12 with a single o.b. line.  If you land left of the rope on either hole you play it from where it went out.

Also, the swamp will be o.b. on hole 12 [and 10 if you somehow get there.]  We may yellow rope the swamp or may just say "surrounded by swamp grass."  

I definately want to make hole 5 an island hole, but not a deuce-or-die-and-retee- until-you-cry island hole.  If you do not land on the basket island, you will retee from a nearby reef of a drop zone, from where you should be able to hit the island.  

If I have enough rope, we may also make a couple of ponds on other holes.  

We will orange flag the rope lines to make it easier to see from a distance.

Saturday players will not have to play rope o.b.  

[Jon Brakel]

I got my trophy today. Thanks for getting those out right away Bruce! I kind of like this method of trophy delivery. After the feeling of winning wanes, it all comes back again after the mail man delivers the puffy envelope. Cool!!!

[CEValkyrie]

Props posted on PFC Forum.

I won first place (by 1 stroke) in the Advanced Masters Division at the Crystal Lake tournament last Saturday and took home 4 Champion Edition discs and 2 DX discs. That is over a $75 prize and player's package for my $33 entry fee. It was a very satisfying win. The course was flat with trees coming into play on most holes. It was an interesting course, but I'm glad it is not my home course. If I'm in the area, I would play a tournament there again. Last month, I finished second in Advanced Masters at the Illinois State Championships in Joliet and took home 3 Champion discs, 3 DX discs, a disc golf towel, t-shirt, 2 minis and some sunscreen for a $100 prize with a $33 entry fee. Northeastern Illinois does it right! These are the top 2 payouts I've ever had. I'll play up there again. Why the great payout? They merely paid out all the entry fee that came in back to the players in that division. That does not always happen in a tournament, but it should.
     Posted by: bw23 (Bryan Wagler) - 07-28-2004 5:47 PM  

[Bruce Brakel]

Viva la revolucion!!!

Sounds like the revolutionary fever is spreading in Peoria.     Anything on the Wisconsin boards?

[Dan Michler]

got my trophy in the mail today.  Thanks Bruce!  it looks awesome.  I think i'll use it for my new marker disc    that would make me look like a cocky bastard if i started using trophies for markers    

[Jon Brakel]

got my trophy in the mail today.  Thanks Bruce!  it looks awesome.  I think i'll use it for my new marker disc    that would make me look like a cocky bastard if i started using trophies for markers  

That is why they are the size they are. They are legal to use as marker discs. For the guy who doesn't want to hang up trophy plaques, he can use it as a marker disc. It's all about options when you play the IOS!    

[Bruce Brakel]

got my trophy in the mail today.  Thanks Bruce!  it looks awesome.  I think i'll use it for my new marker disc    that would make me look like a cocky bastard if i started using trophies for markers  

I'll take thanks for the prompt delivery.  I'll pass your compliments on to Kiralyn.  If I ever win one, I'll probably mark with mine.  

The dyed mini trophies are turning out mixed.  Some look pretty cool and some look like crap.  We are going to make 30 for Iowa and then trophy-ize any leftovers.