2004 Presidential Elections

[CEValkyrie]

Nothing like a good ole message board.

1st->

This is a message board. There are a lot of different people that use this message board. Each person has an opinion. Sometimes you'll agree, sometimes you'll disagree, & sometimes you'll think someone is just a plain idiot.

We have a bunch of good guys in this club. If you are going to join a club because of reading a message board or by the way a website looks, it's probably not right for you. Come find out how much we care about disc golf and what we give back to the people/game before you judge the club by one persons view of politics.

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I lived in Texas for 3 years. I did not & will not vote for Bush. I do not agree with his education plan. My wife & I are teachers & that affects us the most. The system he has devoloped is flawed. Teachers are rated on students performance on standardized tests & so are school districts. I understand having some kind of evaluation for teachers & districts but basing performance on tests only is bad. It's like saying you are a bad dentist when your kids come from povertry, don't brush their teeth because they either don't have a parent telling them to or don't have the money to buy toothpaste or toothbrush. Oh yeah, & the water your clients use does not have flouride in it because of area they live in. While in the "burb" a dentist gets a perfect evaluation by doing absolutely no work. I saw many kids that passed this test becuause all they did at school was take practice test after practice test every day. They failed every class but they could pass this test. They could not free think & fill out an application correctly. Many good teachers switched professions & moved out of Texas. My wife & I were just a few.

One thing I really enjoyed about Bush was the power dimming every other day.  It seemed like there was always a prisoner getting executed. It really frustrates me that prisoners have cable tv & 3 meals a day while so many good citizens do not. What a waste of my money.  

[A new guy no more]

Brett,
Thanks for the comments.
I guess my first look "inside" the disc group was tainted by this. it seemed like so many of the frequent contributors held so much hate for the President with little insight on their candidates.

And thanks for the "adult level" political comments based on issues, not hate.
On the No child left behind bill, just make sure you also consider it passed the Senate by a 91-8 margine and House by 384-45 so there was widespread bipartisan support. In fact I understand Kerry, Liberman and Edwards all supported it.

Hopefully the bill will be a first step to improving the country's education system.  We spend more per child than any other leading nation yet get students in the middle of the pack in quality.  I believe a lot of the problem is complacent parents that don't help, some administrators that don't do their job, and some may be  (not present company) ineffective or poorly trained teachers. I believe most US employees are evaluated both objectivly and subjectivly today by their employers.  Teachers should somehow be accountable too. If the test method is wrong it is probably the responsibility of parents, teachers and administrators to provide good feedback to the goverment to improve the method.

A fed Troll

[airspuds]

i always vote
my preceint captain would be knocking at  the door
wondering if i was sick if the wife and i didnt vote

i know im getting old when politics is discussed
at the bar with the boys   and now on the board

i work in an industry where views are broad and voiced
openly
the trading floor is a great place to work

so far the discussion here would barely register on the who cares level imho

im a chicago democrat    daley rules  !!!

chicago politics is its own animal --- no one is going control what king richard does
(still think meigs field would be a great disc golf course)

on the Illinois  level   all these govenors are crooked (third party last year not a big rob fan )  and i even voted for G RYAN  (rep)  and  he's a child killer  (lets not go there but i will offend )  

nationally     the problem is that there is no FOCUS
it's   "what the flavor of the month for these guys "

iraq is a mess  (this one soldier killed at a time is bullshit)
9/11    
bad economy
rising health costs
no jobs
bad accounting practices
locusts, floods, pestilence

all this would have happened no matter who was president

i've always been of the mindset that
money talks bullshit walks

if gore carries his home state he wins
this nation needed a court to elect a president
fence straddlers we are
the markets were already muddled before the election
9/11 just helped the market to where it should have been
amazon just posted a profit for the first time
wasnt that trading like 400 ?
now   what  

i will most likely vote  for who i want to vote for (twice like every good chicago resident should)  

[jim]

"The UN does not work"
How can the UN work when Bush sidesteps international guidelines and ignores the pleas of other democratic nations and the UN itself?  'Bush has single-handedly discredited the UN and set its progress back no less than 20 years

"Being easy on criminals does not work"
It was under republican leadership and a republican judge that gave a second-time offender only 14 days in jail in Waukegan for selling marijuana to a 13-year-old kid - on school property during school hours.

"Frighten seniors"
Bush's plan of overhauling Social Security and the republican twisting of Medicare scares the hell out of me, not just seniors. In the same vein, Social Security just informed me that they expect me to work until age 72, at which point they predict that I will be entitled to $420 a month.  That MIGHT pay for one prescription by then.

"Undermine our military"
Similarly, only a repubican administration can announce that $35,000 a year combined income for a family of 4 is considered the "working poor", yet fail to provide new jobs (except of course the lucrative Army reservists) - oh yeah, 6,000 families of reservists just applied to the gov for emergency financial assistance due to loss of wages from the private sector. So Bush has asked us to fight, to die, and, if we survive, to die of starvation in out old age.

"Socialize medicine does not work"
Oh yeah, ask Sweden or New Zealand!!!

Have a nice day......

[Guest]

Socialism works great in family structures.  Like, in my family, I earn all the money, Diana does all the work, and Kelsey and Kira live off the fat of the land!  You would think that Kelsey and Kira were the socialist party bosses.  Moreover, no one complains about it because we are all in it together.  I think socialism can work in small homogenous groups where it is like one big Swedish or Aussie extended family.  In your average disc golf club three or four people do 90% of the income producing work for the club, 20 or 30 club members and participants benefit, and everyone is happy most of the time.  In a large, diverse, and impersonal culture like our nation or even your suburb, most people need to look to themselves for most of their needs.  I don't mind that 75% of my paycheck goes to support my wife and kids, but I don't want to support my neighbor's wife and kids too.  If you want socialized medicine, get a job with a socialized employer like GM, or AllState, or Baxter, that has good medical benefits, a pension plan and everything else that cradle to grave socialism offers.  If you don't like corporate socialism where your entire life is owned by the corporation that pays for your health care, pension, company car, etc., why do you think it is going to be any better if your entire life is owned by the Federal government providing you with those things?  When I was working for the state in 1984 we had a state-managed health care plan that was terrible.  Diana had been seeing a specialist for automobile accident injuries who she could not see on the state plan because he was not on the approved list.  No one on their approved list specialized in what he was state certified to do because one arm of the state bureaucracy did not recognize a need for what another arm of the bureaucracy was licensing him to do.  With brains like that its no wonder that government employees need such thick pads on their chairs.    

[Guest]

"Jim" obviously likes to hear himself talk, but seems on target.
You all conservatives need to lighten up.

[Guest]

Furthermore it is a well known fact in Sweden and New Zealand that Swedes and Aussies are a higher order of human being than US citizens generally.  They don't shoot each other with guns as much, use as many judgment impairing substances, eat as much dietary poison or as much of any of the crazy stuff that US citizens do every day.  Socialism might work for higher order human beings like Aussies, Swedes and Captain Picard's crew, but ape-men like us need simple capitalim:  My food; my rock; touch my food; meet my rock!

[That "guest" was Bruce Brakel, by the way.  I forgot to log in.]

[Guest]

New Zealand:Kiwis
Australia:Aussies

My apologies to any Kiwis who might be reading.

[jim]

as long as i'm being a dork, and because NOBODY is talking about the superbowl, did you hear justin timberlake's excuse for ripping off janet jackson's tear-away breastcovering?  "Waredrobe malfunction" display.

I guess WMD were finally uncovered....
hahahahahahahaha

[damonshort]

as long as i'm being a dork, and because NOBODY is talking about the superbowl, did you hear justin timberlake's excuse for ripping off janet jackson's tear-away breastcovering?  "Waredrobe malfunction" display.

I guess WMD were finally uncovered....
hahahahahahahaha

My favorite so far today is MTV's website, where they 'apologize' for the 'incident'...

right below a picture of Barfmey in her latest sortof-SaranWrap outfit, and right next to an opportunity to 'Blast a Fart e-card'.....


I didn't see the conclusion of the routine; as usual I ignored most of the halftime spectacle (it's all I can do to sit through the game most years) but glanced at the TV on my way out of the house to walk the dog. About that time the pseudo-lap dance was starting and I thought, 'what's next, is he taking her clothes off?'...

But I missed it as well as the streaker. god bless america.

[mirth]

I can post a picture, if you wanna see.

[CEValkyrie]

Sweet, I want to see Janet's boobie again .

[mirth]

Ask, and ye shall receive!

[jim]

she needs some more surgery.......
does anyone else think this might be a ploy to distract the public away from jacko's wackiness?

[mirth]

I think its just her own Jackson wackiness coming out. That, and maybe a career revival tactic?

[Jon Brakel]

The Drudge report was where I got the picture for my avatar (thanks Bruce).

Drudge Reportwww.drudgereport.com

[jim]

ok, maybe IN FAIRNESS we should rename this thread
"Bashing of all politicians abnd celebrities here"
 

[mirth]

"I am sorry that anyone was offended by the wardrobe malfunction during the halftime performance of the Super Bowl," Timberlake said in a statement. "It was not intentional and is regrettable."

What a crock.    

[Jon Brakel]

"I am sorry that anyone was offended by the wardrobe malfunction during the halftime performance of the Super Bowl," Timberlake said in a statement. "It was not intentional and is regrettable."

What a crock.  

As I've put in my signature...You don't get dressed up unless you're going out!

[mirth]

Its not even a pastie! Its being held on by a nipple stud!  

You go girl!