Marshall is on pace for 1000+ yards. Something the Bears haven't seen since 2002.
He'll never be as good as Roy Williams.
Little egregious with the idea after 1 game Brett, but also know that you are joking. Marshall looked great though. Interesting opening day, that's for sure. Green Bay tied with the Steelers for last place.
I know it's not a huge accomplishment to beat the current version of the Colts, but it's always nice to get a big W in Week 1.
Can't wait for Thursday night!!!
Week 1 is always interesting as there are always a bunch of surprises. Sometimes they are indicative of how the season will play out, sometimes its a 1 game anamoly.
Packers, you've gotten stomped at home 2 games in a row against really good defenses. Not panic time, but I'd be worried.
The Browns might have the worst offense in the history of pro sports this year. Weeden 12-35 118yds 0TD 4INT. Thats a quality starting QB right there. And still Philly needed a TD in the final 2 min to win 17-16...ugly.
Manning looked like Manning. That was fun to watch.
I think this week was a sign of things to come for the Saints. Going to be a rough year in New Orleans. Brees 24/52 at home.
For the Bears, we learned its nice to actually have some receivers and we learned the Bears are better than the Colts...which is nice. Luck doesn't have a hell of alot to work with there.
Also, I think the replacement refs blew 1 less game than the regular refs usually blow. They didn't seem that bad from what I saw.
Will be interesting to watch Cutler against a good defense. Colts started out the game blitzing from what I saw flipping channels back and forth and then seemed to avoid that after it was working. Colts secondary might be worse than Detroit's, but can't tell there yet either. Michael Bush was a good addition as well, didn't seem to use him much outside of goalline though. Forte was great.
Quote from: tacimala on September 09, 2012, 08:39:11 PM
Little egregious with the idea after 1 game Brett, but also know that you are joking. Marshall looked great though. Interesting opening day, that's for sure. Green Bay tied with the Steelers for last place.
that was 1 of the 4 or 5 losses I counted for the Steelers on the year Taylor! they hardly ever win Denver.
Nice to see what Forte could do once Cutler has some good weapons. Bennett and company were also able to play better just by having Marshall on the field. I think we should see more of the same on Thursday! I agree with Dan. The replacement refs seem to be doing fine. The regular refs should accept a deal and get back to work.
When is the last time the Bears scored more than 40 points?
1985? the last time they were good!
The last time the Bears scored at least 40 points in a game — including defensive contributions — was Oct. 4, 2009.
48-24 victory over the Lions.
According to: http://www.pjstar.com/sports/wessler/x1803413399/Wessler-Bears-offense-yes-offense-plays-hero-in-season-opener (http://www.pjstar.com/sports/wessler/x1803413399/Wessler-Bears-offense-yes-offense-plays-hero-in-season-opener)
Jay Cutler tells Green Bay Packers DBs: 'Good luck'
WTF??? does he not remember that in 6 tries, he has just 1 win vs the Packers? just because you beat a team that was 2-14 last year, that lost half of their starters, does not make you a GOOD team Jay! Packers wont lose 2 games in a row!!
Quote from: pdga#7648 on September 12, 2012, 08:44:11 AM
Jay Cutler tells Green Bay Packers DBs: 'Good luck'
WTF??? does he not remember that in 6 tries, he has just 1 win vs the Packers? just because you beat a team that was 2-14 last year, that lost half of their starters, does not make you a GOOD team Jay! Packers wont lose 2 games in a row!!
I think he was talking more about the size of Jeffery and Marshall and how they are going to be tough to cover. He's talking some smack, it's only week 2, CHILLAX.
Jay could always use his free time to rape some college chick in the bathroom.
Quote from: CEValkyrie on September 12, 2012, 12:17:58 PM
Jay could always use his free time to rape some college chick in the bathroom.
I think you may be talking about the PBS qb and the not the CB qb?
Who was the guy from the packers that got caught in the hot tub w/ high school kids????
Quote from: CEValkyrie on September 12, 2012, 12:17:58 PM
Jay could always use his free time to rape some college chick in the bathroom.
No he couldn't. he couldn't find one drunk enough to let him get that close to her!
Quote from: Steven Jacobs on September 12, 2012, 11:57:50 AM
Quote from: pdga#7648 on September 12, 2012, 08:44:11 AM
Jay Cutler tells Green Bay Packers DBs: 'Good luck'
WTF??? does he not remember that in 6 tries, he has just 1 win vs the Packers? just because you beat a team that was 2-14 last year, that lost half of their starters, does not make you a GOOD team Jay! Packers wont lose 2 games in a row!!
I think he was talking more about the size of Jeffery and Marshall and how they are going to be tough to cover. He's talking some smack, it's only week 2, CHILLAX.
doesn't he know not to talk smack about a team better than his own?? Just adds fuel to the fire already there for being Bears VS Packers!
Reporters asked Cutler about Green Bay's plans to use physical coverage against the Bears WR's. Cutler said "Good luck, we invite press coverage." I'm not sure how this is even smack talk. Its just a statement of fact. The Bears would invite press coverage against the Green Bay DB's who ranked dead last in the NFL last season in passing defense. Pretty simple. Cutler doesn't give longwinded answers that are meant to make everybody feel warm and cozy. He also doesn't give a shit if you don't like it.
And if he is talking smack, is it so crazy for him to be feeling confident about his chances for success against the worst passing defense in the NFL? Something tells me McManus isn't feeling too good about his defenses chances to shutdown the Bears passing game tonight, the same way I'm not too confident the Bears defense (28th vs the pass in 2011) has a chance in hell of slowing down Rodgers.
At any rate, I'm looking forward to checking out the game tonight. I think both teams will put up some points and it will come down to turnovers. If the Packers don't turn it over, they'll win the game no questions asked. 15-1 last year wasn't a fluke. The Bears pass rush needs to get to Rodgers repeatedly, and we need to get a couple turnovers to have a chance.
I'm thinking its going to be a 70 or 80 point game and it will come down to a field goal in the last seconds by Gould to put the Bears ahead for the win!
I'm not a big NFL follower but I enjoy a good match up and as a person who really doesn't get excited for football games, this one has got me goin. I'm pumped to see this rivalry go down tonight. Go Bears!
Well that was a different game than I thought it would be. Not really surprised that they lost (it is the Packers in their own house) but just that it wasn't an offensive showcase for both teams. Disappointed that the O line still sucks. Disappointed that the Bears still can't seem to make adjustments in the game plan on the fly. Disappointed. Ugh.
You're right about the need for in game adjustments. With Marshall being double covered on most pass plays, the other recievers should have had single coverage. Of course none of that matters when the O-line plays the way it did.
Lost the turnover battle 4-2, gave up a fake FG for a TD, and had zero protection for Cutler all night long. The only thing that is surprising is that the Bears only lost by 13!
Either the Bears defense has improved quite a bit from last year (unlikely), or the GB offense is not playing very well right now. This division could be pretty wide open this year.
It was not just the O line that sucked last night. It was the entire offense. Even when Cutler had time, he still managed to throw poorly and 1 even went for an INT. Marshall dropped a TD that hit his hands! The other receivers barely managed to get open while Marshall had at least 2 guys stuck on him most of the game.
I could go on, but I'd rather just forget about last night as quickly as possible. >:(
On the bright side, we have the Rams coming to Chicago next week.
Woo hooo!!! How many more shitty teams do we play this year? :D
A few days behind being out of town. How was this game not a huge blowout? This should have been a Packers 35/42 killing. Hopefully the Bears bounce back. Everything that could go wrong did go wrong. Hopefully the rematch is much better than this let down.
12 man on the field challenge that gave the Packers a first down and 3 points.
Fake field goal for TD. This was the play of the game.
The game could have easily been 0-0 going into halftime.
Marshall TD dropped.
8 penalties for 65 yards.
4 Jay Cutler Picks.
Matt Forte out most of 2nd half.
The Packers offense is definitely not the same as it was thru the season last year. Hopefully that changes of my fantasty team is effed!
Quote from: Jon Brakel on September 13, 2012, 09:26:01 AM
I'm thinking its going to be a 70 or 80 point game and it will come down to a field goal in the last seconds by Gould to put the Bears ahead for the win!
:D
Looks like the Bears are struggling and are turning to the general public for help:
(http://s17.postimage.org/ewhlq3yz3/bears_player.jpg)
Bears defense has been shockingly good this year. Rams just 160 total yards on Sunday. Bears offense has been not-so-surprisingly inconsistent, and once again looked rough on Sunday.
I expect the Bears to lose next Monday night @DAL, but would not be suprised if they win. Both teams look pretty inconsistent right now.
Only undefeated teams remaining are Arizona, Houston, and Atlanta. Its still early, but Houston and Atlanta look like they'll be awfully tough to get by this year if they end up with home-field advantage.
Being 2-0 against crappy teams is way better than being 0-2 against crappy teams. :D
I wasn't expecting this much out of the front 4 on D. That has gone a long way in helping the rest of the defense.
The offence always seems like its on the verge of turning the corner and getting good. The corner is much longer than I had anticipated. I'm not sure what to expect in the game against Dallas. I haven't seen Dallas play yet this year.
2-1 start is as expected.
How long are they going to use the Hester experiment on offense? He's a terrible WR and taking reps away from qualified WR's that can catch the ball. I really wish we had Knox to go along with this group.
This division is down right tough. Can't believe MN beat SF yesterday.
Quote from: CEValkyrie on September 24, 2012, 05:46:50 PM
How long are they going to use the Hester experiment on offense?
I thought the same thing during the opening game when Hester was listed as the #2 starting WR ahead of Bennett and Jeffery. What does Hester have to do to prove he's a terrible WR? He's just plain awful, and now we actually have some options. Through 3 games he has 2 catches for 27 yards, ranking 6th on the team. He can't run a route and he can't catch the ball. He's also not the sharpest tool in the shed. I don't want to see him lining up on offense ever. Not even for a reverse or a WR screen. Marshall is much better suited for those plays. I'd be fine if they just cut Hester. He's not worth anything close to the money he gets paid. Let somebody else return kicks.
I'm afraid that Knox won't play professional football ever again.
Hester is frustrating. You know that they tell him every week in practice like a thousand times that when he's returning the ball to just follow his blocks and run up field. Almost all of his returns for TDs he got doing just that. Almost none of his returns for TDs were done by reversing course, running backwards for 20 yards and all of that bull shit. On the other hand he has a gift for speed, acceleration and elusiveness that you can't teach and is so much fun to watch when it happens.
I wouldn't mind if Hester was listed as number two to appease his ego as long as the Bears didn't feel it necessary to keep him in the game at WR so much. The fan in me likes the guy because of what he's done with his kick returns and I've never been one to really care how much any player gets paid. But I can tell you that as a fan I don't recall any great catches he's made. Ever. I do remember some great returns though!
I'm sure we'll see Hester playing cornerback by the time the Bears are done trying to get him involved.
Quote from: tacimala on September 25, 2012, 09:12:19 AM
I'm sure we'll see Hester playing cornerback by the time the Bears are done trying to get him involved.
I'd be willing to give him a crack at Left Tackle.
My prediction for tonight's game...Bears 17, Dallas 16. Hopefully I do better with this prediction than I did with the Bears-Packers prediction.
My honest feeling...Dallas 31 Bears 16. Hope I'm wrong bigtime.
But we've got JAX next week, so things should be okay!
Quote from: Dan Michler on October 01, 2012, 04:06:00 PM
My honest feeling...Dallas 31 Bears 16. Hope I'm wrong bigtime.
But we've got JAX next week, so things should be okay!
I really need to go into the game thinking the Bears can. I figure they will only win a low scoring close game. Go Bears!
wow. Who are these guys??
Quote from: Dan Michler on October 01, 2012, 04:06:00 PM
My honest feeling...Dallas 31 Bears 16. Hope I'm wrong bigtime.
But we've got JAX next week, so things should be okay!
Almost right on Dan! Just flip flop 'em. :D
Great start to the season. 3-1
nice win !
go bears !
Bears defense is alot better than anybody expected this season. I actually thought this might be a year where the offense carries the defense! Obviously we haven't played too many talented offenses so far, but we've absolutely dominated the offenses we've played. Even in GB, we only allowed 1 offensive TD that game (the other was on a fake FG).
Bears defensive ranks:
Points Per Game - 4th
Rush Yds/Game - 3rd
Pass Yds/Game - 13th
Yds/Game - 5th
Takeaways - 1st
3rd Down Conv. - 4th
Sacks - 1st
Defensive TD's - 1st
I hope GB fans enjoyed that loss to the Colts.
Looking at the schedule, it will be interesting to see how the Bears perform against a well balanced team in the Houston Texans on 11/11. The schedule so far and in the near future is nothing short of awesome for stats.
Quote from: tacimala on October 08, 2012, 07:20:23 AM
Looking at the schedule, it will be interesting to see how the Bears perform against a well balanced team in the Houston Texans on 11/11. The schedule so far and in the near future is nothing short of awesome for stats.
If you completely dominate mediocre or bad teams, that usually means your a pretty good team. I'm not declaring the Bears to be as good as San Fran or Houston, but I do think they are on that next level. We certainly look a whole lot better than the Bears team that started 7-3 in 2011 before losing Cutler and Forte.
Right now I'd say Atlanta, SF, Houston, and maybe Baltimore are on that elite level. The Bears are the next step down with a handful of other teams.
And I'm certainly not counting Green Bay out at 2-3. They could easily be 4-1 (although if we are playing that game, they also could easily have lost that New Orleans game if not for the holding call on the go-ahead FG). They do look shaky on both sides of the ball though. Rodgers completion % is actually higher than last season, which tells me he's still playing at an elite level. The difference is he's averaging over 2 yds less per attempt. He just doesn't have any downfield threat this year, which may have something to do with that Jennings' injury.
I read yesterday (so this would be before yesterday's games) that after the bye week the Bears next three opponents have a combined record of 3 - 11. So, they have a really good chance of finishing the first have of the season with a record of 7 - 1. That really gives them a realistic chance of going to the playoffs this year. They really just have to continue to improve on the O-line. Hopefully having these successful games will give the line some confidence and the chance to find their collective rhythm.
I'm pretty sure you just put the whammy on us Jon. Watch us lose these next 3 now.
Quote from: Dan Michler on October 08, 2012, 08:19:47 AM
I'm pretty sure you just put the whammy on us Jon. Watch us lose these next 3 now.
I don't buy that after Sunday. EVERYONE was saying that the Bears were going to destroy Jacksonville and they did! :D
Hopefully Philly just physically abuses Detroit. Lovie Smith and the Bears have been really good after a Bye. They are 5-3 after a Bye under Lovie.
Yes I would much prefer to see my team win against a team full of injuries rather than beat them while at full strength...
Quote from: CEValkyrie on October 08, 2012, 04:42:34 PM
Hopefully Philly just physically abuses Detroit. Lovie Smith and the Bears have been really good after a Bye. They are 5-3 after a Bye under Lovie.
Not sure if that is gonna matter or not. Detroit is looking more and more like the same old, team that we have been accustomed to over the past 30-40 seasons. ;)
Quote from: tacimala on October 09, 2012, 08:34:10 AM
Yes I would much prefer to see my team win against a team full of injuries rather than beat them while at full strength...
The NFL is about matchups and catching teams at the right time. Last night was a perfect example. The Jets were thrashed the week prior and embarassed. They came back strong the week after.
No one cared last season playing the Bears after Forte, Cutler, & Know were gone. Wins are wins in the NFL. The only 2 things that matter are the Wins and Loss Columns.
Sounds like you missed the Excuses column.
Quote from: tacimala on October 09, 2012, 11:26:45 AM
Sounds like you missed the Excuses column.
There is no excuse column in NFL football.
Quote from: tacimala on October 09, 2012, 11:26:45 AM
Sounds like you missed the Excuses column.
That only exists in Doug's version of NFL stats. :laughing7:
Like every other season, the schedule never looks the same half-way in as it did before Week 1.
Bears final 8 games:
vs HOU @ SF vs MN vs SEA @MN vs GB @AZ @DET
That schedule looks alot tougher than it did 6 weeks ago. It would be great if the Bears can take care of business the next 3 games and get to 7-1, which would give them a shot at a 1st round bye in the playoffs. Right now everybody in the NFC has 2 losses except the Falcons and Bears. That being said, you can never take any game for granted in the NFL. Every game is a potential loss. 3 weeks from now we could be laughing at the fact we thought the Bears were good and the Packers looked bad.
That game at home against GB in Week 15 could have alot on the line for both teams.
It is still early but the the NFC is completely dominating the AFC. There are three teams with winning records in the AFC and all of their losses have come against NFC teams. This season has been pretty exciting up to this point. The end of the early games yesterday were unbelievable. The coaching in Dallas is atrocious, they should have won that game.
It wasn't pretty but a win is a win. The Bears defense is stout!
This is great winning all these games with the defense, but I'm not sure if its sustainable. Especially when we come up against teams like Green Bay, New York, and Atlanta.
We've got to come up with some sort of passing attack. Right now 25th in yards per game, 24th in efficiency, 25th in completion %, 21st in TD passes, and we've been sacked the 5th most in the league.
Cutler has not played well this year. You can't say he doesn't have any targets. Bush and Forte have been a nice RB duo. The offensive line totally sucks, but not any more than it has the last 2 seasons. So, I'm not sure why he is putting up worse numbers now that he has better weapons? I keep hearing that Tice has improved things because he lets Cutler roll out more than Martz did. Really? Why aren't we scoring more points then?
I have a feeling the Bears are going to need an above average passing game before this season is over. The defense can not keep playing this well. They are good, but they aren't 1985 Bears or 2000 Ravens good. We need a passing game!
If the Bears had as good of an offence as they did in '85 they would have a lock on the division even if this defense isn't quite '85 good. But any win is a good win!
One of the Fox Network NFL guys was talking about the NFC North standings before the games on Sunday. He was talking about how solid MN is and how Greenbay is reay to surge. Then they brought up the standings graphic and he says "Of course the Bears are still TECHNICALLY in first" but I think this race belongs to the Vikings and Packers. What a moron. I don't even think he realized that the Bears were in first until they brought up the graphic. Just glad that they are still "technically" in first place this morning! :D
The Bears are getting respect from ESPN. Up to #5 in this week's power rankings.
http://espn.go.com/nfl/powerrankings
Listening to sports radio they have said in Vegas that the Bears are seen as the most over rated team in the NFL... Only one way to prove them wrong and thats to keep them W's comin!
Quote from: Clonan on October 23, 2012, 09:50:52 AM
Listening to sports radio they have said in Vegas that the Bears are seen as the most over rated team in the NFL... Only one way to prove them wrong and thats to keep them W's comin!
People on sports radio don't know what that term means! :D
Overrated or not, it doesn't matter. The good thing about the NFL is it will get settled on the field.
Well that game did nothing to make me feel better about the Bears chances this year. Outgained 416 to 210, time of poss. 36 min CAR 23 min CHI at home against a 1 win team. Just dumb luck Steve Smith fell down and we got that pick 6.
Happy to get the win, but a little bummed that this offense is showing zero signs of improvement. If things stay the way they are, I have a feeling that once the wheels fall off its going to get real ugly real fast.
Also, has anybody noticed that Devin Hester sucks?
Ugly win. Offence looked good on the first drive and then they just fizzled. I think the Bears' defense would have dominated the game if the officials would have called at least half of Carolina's O line's holding.
That game was unbelievable. The Bears had no business even having a shot to win it. Totally manhandled on the offensive side of the ball. There were 3 perfectly throw balls that were dropped on 3rd downs (Hester, Marshall, & the TE). The offense is pretty bad. The missed FG didn't help either.
On the other side of it wow the Bears defense is unreal. They bend but don't break. Another scoring TD. Forced Newton fumble at the goal line and almost took more points off the board.
Any win is a good win. Time to move on. If the offense doesn't eff up we have a shot to win every game.
I always fly a flag in front of our house. Something that I looked forward to when we bought our place because we always had a flag at the house I grew up in. Anyway, on game day I have a Bears flag that I fly. Goes up in the morning and comes down after the game if they lose. If they win, it stays up. So its been flying since the week after the Packers game. Really surprised it didn't come down today.
Peyton Manning would be a strong candidate for MVP at the half-way point. For me this is his most impressive season of his career because of the number of major changes and uknowns he has encountered. He never missed a game before last season and he played his entire career under the same offensive coordinator. Not to mention he now plays outdoors in Denver for a team that was 31st in passing last season and he underwent 3 neck surgeries since last playing a game.
He has the highest passer rating in the NFL and is 2nd in yards per game. With the AFC looking shaky, I think Denver is poised to make a run at one of the top 2 playoff seeds. The only above .500 team left on their schedule is Baltimore.
Quote from: Dan Michler on October 28, 2012, 01:18:51 PM
Well that game did nothing to make me feel better about the Bears chances this year. Outgained 416 to 210, time of poss. 36 min CAR 23 min CHI at home against a 1 win team. Just dumb luck Steve Smith fell down and we got that pick 6.
Happy to get the win, but a little bummed that this offense is showing zero signs of improvement. If things stay the way they are, I have a feeling that once the wheels fall off its going to get real ugly real fast.
Also, has anybody noticed that Devin Hester sucks?
Hester the WR sucks...no question about that.
Hester the Returner's mere presence on the field caused the Panthers to give up good field position all day. I believe the average starting point for the Bears O was the 37 or 38...which is ridiculous.
Watching that Panthers punt go out of bounds after 5 or 6 yards was not something you see in an average NFL game. It was windy out there, but not that windy.
Tice needs to figure out how to call more running plays ASAP, which will give the O Line some confidence and open up more passing plays. Cutler's audibles have been hindering the progress. I hope they can figure it out soon because the D appears to be Super Bowl worthy.
The bears were the big winner on the throwback bowl with the steelers. Those bears throwbacks were nice. I like that classic look. Those steelers uniforms were brutal.
Quote from: Tom McManus on October 29, 2012, 06:50:15 PM
The bears were the big winner on the throwback bowl with the steelers. Those bears throwbacks were nice. I like that classic look. Those steelers uniforms were brutal.
The Steelers throwbacks looked like they had all broken out of prison together!
glad I was not around in 1939 and had to watch a full season in those ugly things! I could honestly only watch the Steelers on offense. standing still it was okay, but when the players moved around, after awhile I got a headache!
But the Steelers win was nowhere near as UGLY as the Bears win was!!
and I can't wait until next years Bears thread.
Steelers get to beat up on the Bears next year. the 2 oldest defenses facing off. a tough QB against a pussy QB(Cutler) can't wait to see the topic silent for an entire week after the Bears get blasted!! ;D
Quote from: pdga#7648 on October 30, 2012, 11:33:18 AM
and I can't wait until next years Bears thread.
Steelers get to beat up on the Bears next year. the 2 oldest defenses facing off. a tough QB against a pussy QB(Cutler) can't wait to see the topic silent for an entire week after the Bears get blasted!! ;D
Strange comment. There are lots of things one can say about Cutler. Lots of them nasty and most of them true. However, one thing that certainly cannot be said about a quarterback who went out for the season last year while making a tackle, who led the league in getting sacked, who pretty much refused to come out of the Lions game after getting his ribs injured, who stands without flinching to throw knowing he is going to get killed...is that he is a pussy. Tool? Probably. Pussy? Not. Also, the latter word is a poor choice to use in comparing the two quarterbacks because it is precisely the problem that has plagued the Pittsburgh player. His predilection for it almost precluded him from playing. >:D
I was going to post a response to Doug's bullchit, but Barish summed it up quite nicely. :o
was referring to that NFC Championship game where someone got hurt and rode a stationary bike, then poutted on the bench.(Brees and Rivers played with that same injury) The Pittsburgh player plays with broken bones!! Ben is in the Elite QB talk, Cutler NEVER is!!
and Jason, you talk about my BS, what about your's when you said the Bears D is SB worthy?? who have they beat over .500? Indy at 4-3 is it. all other wins are from sub .500 teams. Lets see how they fare against the Texans, 49ers, Packers and Vikings!? beat a team that has a winning record then maybe get excited. But honestly, this offense wont beat a Giants, or Packers in the playoffs. so put the pipe down and wait until January to talk about being SB worthy. geeeessh ::)
Almost everything you post on the football threads is bullshit Doug because thats pretty much all you post. You post about things that haven't happened yet. Who can argue against that? You complain about the Bears schedule. No one here made the schedule so who can argue about that. You post vile things like an eight year old stirs up a hornets nest with a stick. You post all of this bullshit just so you can sit back and giggle like a little boy about how clever you are. You and your rapist QB have a lot in common.
Doug I did some pretty extensive research and saw that the Steelers have actually lost to two teams with losing records. As a Pittsburgh fan, would you prefer to lose to teams with losing records, or beat teams with losing records?
Quote from: Jon Brakel on October 30, 2012, 02:35:42 PM
Almost everything you post on the football threads is bullshit Doug because thats pretty much all you post. You post about things that haven't happened yet. Who can argue against that? You complain about the Bears schedule. No one here made the schedule so who can argue about that. You post vile things like an eight year old stirs up a hornets nest with a stick. You post all of this bullshit just so you can sit back and giggle like a little boy about how clever you are. You and your rapist QB have a lot in common.
never once did I complain about anyones schedule. just stated the obvious.
I have said it once, I guess I have to treat you like an 8 yr old and say it again, you don't have to read my posts. if I always post bullshit, why would you even want to read it?
and the last comment, if you care to clarify, you can do it like a man, and not a moderator, hoping I will say something out of line, or on the computer period, you can talk like that to me face to face, if you feel you need to??
Quote from: tacimala on October 30, 2012, 02:45:46 PM
Doug I did some pretty extensive research and saw that the Steelers have actually lost to two teams with losing records. As a Pittsburgh fan, would you prefer to lose to teams with losing records, or beat teams with losing records?
glad I got you doing something productive Taylor. about time you did research on a good team ;) (how bout the Tigers?)
but to answer your question, I would rather win versus every team! but if I had to choose, I would want to beat teams with the losing record. But come on, I had to respond to the SB worthy comment. very suprised I waited 2 days!
And we are not talking about the Steelers were we? Losing to Titans and Raiders pretty much put us in a very deep hole. Luckily the Ravens are gonna struggle without Ray and Webb in that lineup. even with a loss against the Giants this week, the Steelers can still win those 2 games against Balt and win the division. I don't get excited 7 weeks in, I am usually just done watching baseball at this time ;)
But I will just come back to this thread in January and see how excited they are. Dan is the only one talking any sense about his team. and we know he knows his teams.
Quote from: pdga#7648 on October 30, 2012, 02:03:21 PM
was referring to that NFC Championship game where someone got hurt and rode a stationary bike, then poutted on the bench.(Brees and Rivers played with that same injury) The Pittsburgh player plays with broken bones!! Ben is in the Elite QB talk, Cutler NEVER is!!
and Jason, you talk about my BS, what about your's when you said the Bears D is SB worthy?? who have they beat over .500? Indy at 4-3 is it. all other wins are from sub .500 teams. Lets see how they fare against the Texans, 49ers, Packers and Vikings!? beat a team that has a winning record then maybe get excited. But honestly, this offense wont beat a Giants, or Packers in the playoffs. so put the pipe down and wait until January to talk about being SB worthy. geeeessh ::)
#1, I said the D
appears to be Super Bowl worthy. Time to get those old eyes checked again? They have only played 7 games and they look great so far, but the O must improve to make it through the playoffs or it will not matter how good the D is.
#2, Other than San Fran...is there a better Defense in the NFL right now????
#3, I can't wait for the Bears games against the Texans and the 49ers!!!
#4, Right now, your Steelers only look like a playoff bound team because of the easy schedule. :rolleyes:
If the Steelers look like a playoff team, no one should be suprised. That's the norm for them. although for several years now it has been 2 years in playoffs then miss 1 year. well this is the year after 2 straight appearances, so who knows?
But I will let you all enjoy the wins as they come, since we all know you guys are not really used to Chicago teams looking good at all. I will come back to this topic later in the year and see how all my Chicago friends are doing ;D Best of luck.
and oh yeah Jason, I will be thinking about you after the Texans and 49ers games. no posts will be necessary though, as you will be laying low, probably not even on here at all? lmao
Quote from: pdga#7648 on October 30, 2012, 03:29:19 PM
Quote from: Jon Brakel on October 30, 2012, 02:35:42 PM
Almost everything you post on the football threads is bullshit Doug because thats pretty much all you post. You post about things that haven't happened yet. Who can argue against that? You complain about the Bears schedule. No one here made the schedule so who can argue about that. You post vile things like an eight year old stirs up a hornets nest with a stick. You post all of this bullshit just so you can sit back and giggle like a little boy about how clever you are. You and your rapist QB have a lot in common.
never once did I complain about anyones schedule. just stated the obvious.
I have said it once, I guess I have to treat you like an 8 yr old and say it again, you don't have to read my posts. if I always post bullshit, why would you even want to read it?
and the last comment, if you care to clarify, you can do it like a man, and not a moderator, hoping I will say something out of line, or on the computer period, you can talk like that to me face to face, if you feel you need to??
I try to let more stuff slide in the off topic areas because they're off topic. I don't like it when people derail tournament threads.
Anyway, take what I said in my rant with a grain of salt. I can only take so many of your baited posts before I take the bait. It will always irritate me that you take a Bears thread and turn it into a discussion about the Steelers. My comparison of you to your QB was just that you both have an irritating cock-sure attitude about yourselves. You only online. I haven't found you to be offensive in real life. I do try to skip over your posts as much as possible but when you post in my favorite off topic thread it makes it more difficult as I can't follow the conversation without reading all the posts.
just to clarify, this thread was started on 9-912. I posted once on 9-10 and 9-16 not realted to the Steelers unless Taylor asked a question. I had not been back for 5 pages of posts until Tom and yourself brought up the ugly STEELERS uniforms. I chimed in. I don't turn this topic into the Steelers, you guys do!! Talk about my favorite team, of course I will say my 2 cents, like it or not.
Cock-sure attitude?? seriously? like Monday nights, CMON MAN!! I am sorry I cheer for teams that win year in and year out. hard not to be confident when they are in the playoffs as much as they are. but to hold that against me is pretty childish. Me and Dan used to go back and forth, but as you can see that has stopped. He chose to ignore my posts. Again, sorry if I remind you of how bad your teams usually are. But the street runs 2 ways. when I get TEBOWED, like last year, I am one that has to return the fun! and that is all this is to me, sorry you guys aren't able to ignore it. Now if I did it daily I could understand, but I only usually chime in when I get back up off the floor from laughing so hard. ;D
and I don't think I have ever derailed a tourny thread. I post here where it is "shoot the breeze".
Enjoy the season!
Great first half of the season. This Bears D is unreal. I'm a believer. If Trent Dilfer can win a SB this team is capable of it.
Unlike the last time the Bears played in a SB, this season's version includes noticeable upgrades at QB and WR.
I can't wait to see how the Bears stack up against Houston on Sunday night!!!
Quote from: CEValkyrie on November 05, 2012, 07:14:38 AM
Great first half of the season. This Bears D is unreal. I'm a believer.
I have never seen anyone punch a ball out as good as Tillman did it yesterday! 3 times he punched out a fumble! Hard to believe that before the late games, the Bears D was somewhere behind #1 S.F. and #2 Pittsburgh for overall defense?? :o thats what the announcers said anyway?
Quote from: CEValkyrie on November 05, 2012, 07:14:38 AM
Great first half of the season. This Bears D is unreal. I'm a believer. If Trent Dilfer can win a SB this team is capable of it.
I'm a believer that our defense is playing at an extremely high level right now. I'm not quite a SB believer yet. I want to see the next 2 games (vs HOU, @ SF) before getting too carried away. I'm not saying we have to win both games to be considered a serious contender. But, I'm really looking forward to seeing how this team performs against those 2 teams. Should be interesting.
Quote from: jasonc on November 05, 2012, 07:54:50 AM
Unlike the last time the Bears played in a SB, this season's version includes noticeable upgrades at QB and WR.
I can't wait to see how the Bears stack up against Houston on Sunday night!!!
Can't argue with that. However, its hard to argue the overall offense is better than 2006. In 2006 the Bears were ranked slightly above average in both Rushing and Passing. They were the 15th best offense overall in terms of yardage. In 2012 the Bears are near the bottom, 25th in terms of total yardage. That number is perhaps skewed a bit by the fact we've gotten out to some big leads and have been able to play it conservative. But, I'd still say the 2006 offense out-performed the offense that I've seen over the first 8 games of 2012.
Quote from: Dan Michler on November 05, 2012, 11:56:17 AM
Quote from: jasonc on November 05, 2012, 07:54:50 AM
Unlike the last time the Bears played in a SB, this season's version includes noticeable upgrades at QB and WR.
I can't wait to see how the Bears stack up against Houston on Sunday night!!!
Can't argue with that. However, its hard to argue the overall offense is better than 2006. In 2006 the Bears were ranked slightly above average in both Rushing and Passing. They were the 15th best offense overall in terms of yardage. In 2012 the Bears are near the bottom, 25th in terms of total yardage. That number is perhaps skewed a bit by the fact we've gotten out to some big leads and have been able to play it conservative. But, I'd still say the 2006 offense out-performed the offense that I've seen over the first 8 games of 2012.
I think the difference is the O line. Better QB, WR and a good RB but they just can't get any consistency with that line. At times the line seems to be better than last year...just hope that turns into some better production on Sunday.
Quote from: Dan Michler on November 05, 2012, 11:56:17 AM
Quote from: jasonc on November 05, 2012, 07:54:50 AM
Unlike the last time the Bears played in a SB, this season's version includes noticeable upgrades at QB and WR.
I can't wait to see how the Bears stack up against Houston on Sunday night!!!
Can't argue with that. However, its hard to argue the overall offense is better than 2006. In 2006 the Bears were ranked slightly above average in both Rushing and Passing. They were the 15th best offense overall in terms of yardage. In 2012 the Bears are near the bottom, 25th in terms of total yardage. That number is perhaps skewed a bit by the fact we've gotten out to some big leads and have been able to play it conservative. But, I'd still say the 2006 offense out-performed the offense that I've seen over the first 8 games of 2012.
Sure the number is skewed, but the O Line needs to figure out how to improve on pass protection. The '06 version of the Bears line was much better. It will be interesting to see how they handle JJ Watt, especially on passing plays Sunday night. I believe he will be matched up primarily against Carimi unless the Texans decide to move him around.
Tice's play calling has been a source of concern as well. I hope they stick with the running game.
I'm still a believer in this team. The defense is fantastic. As bad as that was we had opportunities. Our TE's and WR's are awful outside of #15.
Side note. If #15 continues this pace he'll crack the all time Bears top 50 in WR yards.
On the downside, the offense still looks terrible. On the upside, anybody's offense would have looked terrible in the conditions last night. I don't think we learned anything from that game.
Plenty of opportunities to prove ourselves lie immediately ahead. @SF, vs MN, vs SEA, @MN, vs GB
Win 3 of those 5 and a good chance we go 12-4 and get a 1st round bye. If the offense continues at this horrid pace, there is a decent chance we'll lose 3 or 4 of those games, go in as a WC team, and be 1 and done. This is a QB driven league. Nobody is going to come in and save this offensive line. Cutler has to play better with what he has, period.
I wish that they just would have run the ball in the last 10 minutes of the game. Four yards and a cloud of mud!
Quote from: Dan Michler on November 12, 2012, 05:26:57 AM
On the downside, the offense still looks terrible. On the upside, anybody's offense would have looked terrible in the conditions last night. I don't think we learned anything from that game.
Plenty of opportunities to prove ourselves lie immediately ahead. @SF, vs MN, vs SEA, @MN, vs GB
Win 3 of those 5 and a good chance we go 12-4 and get a 1st round bye. If the offense continues at this horrid pace, there is a decent chance we'll lose 3 or 4 of those games, go in as a WC team, and be 1 and done. This is a QB driven league. Nobody is going to come in and save this offensive line. Cutler has to play better with what he has, period.
No sacks allowed by the Bears O Line last night. I'd say that is a remarkable feat against the Texans who have racked up at least 2 sacks in every other game they have played this year.
Tice is still the worst part of the O. At this point, can he really be considered an upgrade over Martz?
The sad part is there were opportunities to make plays that could have changed the outcome of the game. Gould missed FG, Cutler over the line?, Marshall dropped TD, Bush Fumble after a huge 4th down, David dropped pass & fumble.
It still took Houston one heck of a Foster TD catch to beat us.
It could be the battle of the backup QB this week.
I read that this is Cutler's 4th concussion in college and pro. I read in another article that it was his 6th. How many is too many? There's more to life than football. I hope he will know when to say when.
Quote from: Jon Brakel on November 12, 2012, 11:14:18 AM
I read that this is Cutler's 4th concussion in college and pro. I read in another article that it was his 6th. How many is too many? There's more to life than football. I hope he will know when to say when.
12 is too many. 11 and you're fine. So Cutler is in the clear.
Quote from: CEValkyrie on November 12, 2012, 10:33:25 AM
The sad part is there were opportunities to make plays that could have changed the outcome of the game. Gould missed FG, Cutler over the line?, Marshall dropped TD, Bush Fumble after a huge 4th down, David dropped pass & fumble.
It still took Houston one heck of a Foster TD catch to beat us.
It could be the battle of the backup QB this week.
As a sports fan, you deserve alot of credit for playing "If That Didn't Happen" game at about a 1092 rated level on a consistent basis. Its impressive. When you can make every team you root for just 47 tiny unlucky things away from a championship on a yearly basis, it merits some recognition. ;D
I have no clue what to expect @SF. The Bears should be down a bit off the pedestal they were on after playing 6 consective NCAA teams. Maybe this will get Tice to call plays a bit more conservatively? SF just tied the Rams, so they aren't riding a high right now either. Both QB's are questionable. Both QB's haven't played that great anyways. Both defenses are clearly very very good. I can see this game going any number of ways.
Quote from: Dan Michler on November 12, 2012, 11:21:14 AM
Quote from: Jon Brakel on November 12, 2012, 11:14:18 AM
I read that this is Cutler's 4th concussion in college and pro. I read in another article that it was his 6th. How many is too many? There's more to life than football. I hope he will know when to say when.
12 is too many. 11 and you're fine. So Cutler is in the clear.
:D This really is funny because I'm not sure if Dan hates my post or the way the NFL deals with concussions or both or neither. But its still funny!
The glass is half full analysis-
Half the game is played with a backup quarterback.
coaching staff gives the backup QB a little league playbook to use
four turnovers
two of those turnovers are picks thrown by the starting quarterback
game played against the #2 team in the ESPN power rankings
home team never has a lead
home team loses both challenges and the reasons are still a bit of a mystgery.
They still come very close to winning the game. You have to be very good to play that lousy, get such lousy breaks and still be in a very good position to beat a very good team.. If Cutler can return and play football the team will be just fine notwithstanding all its documented problems. If he cannot come back the outcome is not hard to predict. It has already happened.
One floundering offense found its stride last night. Unfortunately that wasn't the Bears. Could be a very bumpy road ahead. Hopefully we get back on track vs MN next week. We're tied with the Packers now. Looking ahead, if we can't win the division we're looking at a 1st round road playoff game. Unless the offense gets it together quick, its looking like a one and done year.
I don't even see them getting the wildcard spot if their 5 offensive linemen can't block a 3 man rush! It does show how good and tough Cutler is. Campbell didn't get hit really hard any one time but by the end of the third quarter he was having more difficulty getting back up after he finished a play on the ground.
Quote from: Jon Brakel on November 20, 2012, 08:17:30 AM
I don't even see them getting the wildcard spot if their 5 offensive linemen can't block a 3 man rush!
You might be right about even missing the playoffs. There are some good looking 6-4 and 5-5 teams knocking at the door if the Bears continue to falter. I think 10 wins gets us a wildcard spot.
My personal opinion, we aren't as good as we looked in Tennessee and we aren't as bad as we looked in San Fran. The truth lies somewhere in between. Right now it almost feels like the MIN game is make-or-break. We win, we're 8-3 and looking like a virtual lock for the playoffs. If we lose, we're 7-4, possibly outside the playoff picture at that point, and staring at a possible 8 or 9 win season.
All signs pointing to another 2nd half collapse. However, Cutler is expected to return unlike last season. That should work out to another 2-3 wins, which would be good enough for a playoff appearance, but probably not a W in January. :-[
No comments on the defense getting destroyed? I found that more surprising than the offense having a hard time against one of the best defenses in the league.
the Bears defense thrives on the take-away. If they don't get turnovers, they struggle to win. That game was over in the first or second series it felt like.
Quote from: tacimala on November 20, 2012, 12:00:07 PM
No comments on the defense getting destroyed? I found that more surprising than the offense having a hard time against one of the best defenses in the league.
Yes, our rapidly aging defense that we expected to continue its decline from last season, got destroyed. It was a little surprising, but they had to come back to earth at some point. Every team in the league is going to throw up at least 1 or 2 clunkers during the course of the season. The Texans just went to OT at home to scrape by the 1 win Jaguars. It happens. For now I'm chalking it up as a bad game, if we lose to MIN next week....hit the panic button.
Not on a fishing trip here Dan, I'm just surprised that all comments went directly at the offense.
Quote from: tacimala on November 20, 2012, 12:25:07 PM
Not on a fishing trip here Dan, I'm just surprised that all comments went directly at the offense.
Every phase sucked last night. I just couldn't get over that five O linemen were all beaten by a three man rush.
The defense pretty much played solidly lackluster. They didn't embarrass themselves so much as they didn't make the big plays and didn't shut them down on third downs.
And WTF was Hester doing on that punt return?
Quote from: jasonc on November 20, 2012, 11:49:23 AM
All signs pointing to another 2nd half collapse. However, Cutler is expected to return unlike last season. That should work out to another 2-3 wins, which would be good enough for a playoff appearance, but probably not a W in January. :-[
:-*
Jon, I've been wishing the Bears would cut Hester for 2 years now. Are you finally on board? I loved Devin Hester from 2006-2009. Those days are long gone. Time to move on.
I would also love to move on from the Mike Tice era as soon as possible. Don't get me wrong, he's done wonders with that offensive line :D And his play calling is genious! Gabe Carimi was HIS guy. He refuses to give up on Jamarcus Webb.
This is Lovie's 4th offensive coordinator. Terry Shea. Ron Turner. Mike Martz. Mike Tice. Maybe stop letting Lovie have any say in who the offensive coordinator is? Here is the Bears ranking in Total Offense each year since Lovie Smith took over. We get different OC's, different GM's, different QB's, different WR's, different RB's, but its the same story year after year after year.
2004 - 32nd
2005 - 29th
2006 - 15th
2007 - 27th
2008 - 26th
2009 - 23rd
2010 - 30th
2011 - 24th
2012 - 30th
I'm finally on board with cutting Hester. If he was returning like he did 6 years ago then I'd say make him the highest paid returner in the NFL and he could be like 6th or 7th on the depth chart for receivers. But since he doesn't return kicks very well and he sucks as a receiver, then I don't see any reason to keep him. When the opposing team is double teaming Marshall and Hester is in the game you just know that there's probably going to be a sack or a throw away or an interception. Just makes me cringe.
When Hester was at his best he was giving the offense such good field position that they didn't have to be that good. Maybe they should make Hester a healthy scratch for one game. Then tell him if he wants a shot at returning again then he needs to catch the ball and then follow his blockers up field. Take what you can get.
It's time to offer Sean Peyton an amount he cannot refuse.
After winning the 'must win' game in convincing fashion, things are looking pretty good again atop the NFC North despite some injuries. 6-5 is currently in the playoffs, so 2 wins in the next 5 games essentially locks the Bears in. The game @GB in a few weeks may decide who gets to play a home game in the 1st round.
Harbaugh took alot of flack for starting Kaepernick over Alex Smith this week, but Kaepernick played great again, so maybe Harbaugh knows what he's doing.
With Seattle, Dallas, MIN, Tampa, and New Orleans all losing, the race for the last NFC wild card spot is wide open. 6 teams within 1 game of each other for that spot.
MVP race looks like Brady vs P.Manning once again.
Was the difference in the performance of the O line a result of:
1) personnel changes
2) play calling
3) opponent's performance
4) the knowledge that their jobs were on the line
5) something else
some combination of the above?
Quote from: Jon Brakel on November 26, 2012, 10:47:35 AM
Was the difference in the performance of the O line a result of:
1) personnel changes
2) play calling
3) opponent's performance
4) the knowledge that their jobs were on the line
5) something else
some combination of the above?
They know their jobs are always on the line.
Therefore, I'd say it was more like this:
1) Play Calling (Tice finally figured out how to even things out on the run/pass ratio!!!)
2) Opponent's Performance
3) Personnel Changes
The Webb situation is maddening. After the 49ers game, I thought he would be benched for sure. Not only does he keep his job while Rachal and Carimi get benched, but he comes back and turns Jared Allen into a non-factor while holding him to 4 tackles and Zero sacks. :o
Despite the loss, the Bears are still 2 games clear of the last Wild Card spot. If we win 2 of the final 4, we are most likely a lock for the playoffs. @MN vs GB @AZ @DET
Honestly I can see the Bears winning all of those games, and I can also see us losing all of those games. You're never a lock to win any game when you can't score points.
I heard some talk on ESPN about Jay Cutler as an MVP candidate. Please...stop. That is embarrassing. We are 31st in passing. I'm not an expert, but I think passing is Jay Cutler's job. Outside of the obvious candidates (Manning, Brady, Rodgers), I think RG3 would be an interesting choice. The Redskins have a real shot at the playoffs. His efficiency passing the football has been incredible (T2 with Manning with a 104.6 QB rating). Granted, he doesn't have to throw it nearly as often as those other guys. But when you factor in his 650 yards 6 TD running the ball, he's a huge factor in every game. I did not see it coming. I thought he'd be a bust as the #2 pick.
I've heard the argument but they're thinking of Most Valuable Player wrong. The Bears don't win without Cutler and they win most of the time with him. That makes him the most valuable player to the BEARS, not in the NFL. If you had the choice of any QB in the league to come to Chicago to be the starting QB and you don't select Cutler then he's not the mvp! I think there would be at least 3 or 4 QBs I'd pick to lead the Bears before Cutler. I really like Cutler. I'm just saying that he's not the best in the nfl.
ESPN will create a story just to put it on the air or on the net.
The Cutler MVP talk this season is the same as Manning for MVP last year....yes, the team suffers without them. No, that does not mean anything to MVP voters at the end of the year.
Cutler is not even the best QB in the division. Him and Stafford are this/close to grabbing the #2 spot behind the cheesehead.
Sounds like Urlacher is most likey out the rest of the regular season with a hamstring issue. How much do you think that hurts the Bears?
Lets face it, he's not exactly our best player on defense anymore. I don't think we have alot of depth at LB though, so the impact might be significant. He's also the on-field leader of the defense, but we have a veteran defense so I wouldn't expect that part of it to really hurt us.
The Bears have not extended his contract after this season, so who knows, with all the injuries (especially the knees) this could be it for him.
The only way that Urlacher has been able to keep up this year is because of his knowledge and experience. Depth is a problem at LB but its not going to kill them. If this is his last year I hope he's able to get some game time in. The hardest part about pro players retiring is that their best games are behind them but they always think that they can have one more great game...just one more time...
Man, it has been quiet around here.
Here is an excerpt from an SI article, this would be great:
December in the NFL makes for plenty of drama and suspense, but I really want to skip ahead to January and the first round of the playoffs right now. If we could keep everything exactly the way it stands at the moment, the postseason would open with a spectacular quadruple-header straight out of the league's wildest TV-ratings fantasy:
In the AFC, we'd have No. 6-seeded Pittsburgh at No. 3 Baltimore, the rubber match between the two bitter AFC North rivals, and their third meeting in the span of eight weeks; and No. 5 Indianapolis at No. 4 Denver, with Peyton Manning vs. Andrew Luck and all the multi-layered history that surrounds that particular pairing. Nothing to chew on there.
In the NFC, it'd be the Karma Bowl, No. 6 Seattle at No. 3 Green Bay, in a Lambeau Field rematch of that replacement-ref-inspired Week 3 Monday night fiasco of a finish; and No. 5 Chicago at the No. 4 Giants, in a showdown of traditional NFL rivals and two of the league's monster TV markets. Where do we sign?
How much fun would that first round be? Then we'd get coast-to-coast divisional-round games hosted by New England and San Francisco, with Houston and Atlanta also kick-starting their playoff drives to meet in the middle, meaning in New Orleans' Superdome in early February.
December is fun, but the playoffs this season could be fantastic. Waiting another four weeks might be the hardest part. Now on to this week's rankings...
I think I'd like the Bears chances @ the Giants. Really, they can beat any team if the defense plays great and the offense and special teams play ok. Not sure what the chances of that happening all the way through the super bowl is though!
This is a huge weekend after last week. What a brutal game that was. Both sides of the ball and the coaching staff had chances to win that game. I still think the Bennett drop was the biggest of them all. That would have put them up 14-0 and set the tone. Lovie would have taken the 3 instead of going for it.
At least Harvin is out of the season. This is a must win game. I want to see next weeks game mean the top of the division.
Quote from: CEValkyrie on December 06, 2012, 04:34:28 PM
This is a must win game.
Which games are not 'must win games'? If we lose this week, is the season over? We'll still be firmly in the playoff picture. I still say we have to win 2 more games. If we lose this week and next week, then the next game is a must win. I think it perhaps feels like a must-win if you are assuming we'll lose to the Packers next week. But, if you're assuming we can't beat the Packers at home, then we might as well pack it up now and be done with the season anyways.
Absolutely pathetic!
I felt bad for Cutler yesterday.
Why trade away draft picks and pay big money to an above average QB and give him a rookie Offensive Coordinator calling plays for the first time in his life??? He seemed like a good O Line coach and installing him as the OC seemed like a reach at the time.
Tice continues to make rookie mistakes in Week 14. This just does not make sense with a roster full of veteran players. :dontknow:
GB, AZ, DET left on the schedule. If we win 2 of 3, the only team we need to really worry about is Washington. They have CLE, PHI, and DAL left. All games they could easily win. I'm not sure who the tiebreak would go to. If the Bears lose 2 of the next 3, then they'd need quite a bit of help to get in the playoffs. Also, if we win this game against GB, the division is still up for grabs.
So, big game for both teams this Sunday.
At times it seemed like only Cutler, Marshall and Briggs had a desire to win yesterday. Yesterday was not a must win to get into the playoffs but I also no longer have any notions of them winning a game in the playoffs. They will win 2 out of their next 3 games, make it into the playoffs, lose but having done well enough that we'll be stuck with Lovie, Tice and crew for at least another year.
Quote from: jasonc on December 10, 2012, 05:28:23 AM
I felt bad for Cutler yesterday.
Why trade away draft picks and pay big money to an above average QB and give him a rookie Offensive Coordinator calling plays for the first time in his life??? He seemed like a good O Line coach and installing him as the OC seemed like a reach at the time.
Tice continues to make rookie mistakes in Week 14. This just does not make sense with a roster full of veteran players. :dontknow:
Does my sleeper pick in Washington, still make you laugh?? they are just behind you guys, and should be tied with them after this next game!
Quote from: pdga#7648 on December 10, 2012, 12:16:05 PM
Quote from: jasonc on December 10, 2012, 05:28:23 AM
I felt bad for Cutler yesterday.
Why trade away draft picks and pay big money to an above average QB and give him a rookie Offensive Coordinator calling plays for the first time in his life??? He seemed like a good O Line coach and installing him as the OC seemed like a reach at the time.
Tice continues to make rookie mistakes in Week 14. This just does not make sense with a roster full of veteran players. :dontknow:
Does my sleeper pick in Washington, still make you laugh?? they are just behind you guys, and should be tied with them after this next game!
Yes...just not as much as in the preseason. Bob Griffin has certainly performed better than most people thought in August.
Quote from: Jon Brakel on December 10, 2012, 09:05:14 AM
At times it seemed like only Cutler, Marshall and Briggs had a desire to win yesterday. Yesterday was not a must win to get into the playoffs but I also no longer have any notions of them winning a game in the playoffs. They will win 2 out of their next 3 games, make it into the playoffs, lose but having done well enough that we'll be stuck with Lovie, Tice and crew for at least another year.
I'm not as confident as you that they will win 2 of the next 3. Nothing is a given when you struggle to score more than 1 TD in a game. Who would have ever guessed that the Bears early season success against terrible teams that handed our defense 2 TD per game, was not sustainable? Oh wait...pretty much every non-Bears fan predicted that one. The Bears are a laughing stock.
I'm also not as confident as you that Lovie and crew will be back for next season. I think Lovie has 1 more year left on his contract. Its very typical for teams to walk away from that final year instead of having a lame duck head coach. I also think it would be very natural for Emery to want to bring in his own guy. I won't be shocked if this is Lovie's final year in Chicago.
Quote from: Dan Michler on December 11, 2012, 12:27:26 PM
Quote from: Jon Brakel on December 10, 2012, 09:05:14 AM
At times it seemed like only Cutler, Marshall and Briggs had a desire to win yesterday. Yesterday was not a must win to get into the playoffs but I also no longer have any notions of them winning a game in the playoffs. They will win 2 out of their next 3 games, make it into the playoffs, lose but having done well enough that we'll be stuck with Lovie, Tice and crew for at least another year.
I'm not as confident as you that they will win 2 of the next 3. Nothing is a given when you struggle to score more than 1 TD in a game. Who would have ever guessed that the Bears early season success against terrible teams that handed our defense 2 TD per game, was not sustainable? Oh wait...pretty much every non-Bears fan predicted that one. The Bears are a laughing stock.
I'm also not as confident as you that Lovie and crew will be back for next season. I think Lovie has 1 more year left on his contract. Its very typical for teams to walk away from that final year instead of having a lame duck head coach. I also think it would be very natural for Emery to want to bring in his own guy. I won't be shocked if this is Lovie's final year in Chicago.
I'm not sure of my confidence level either. I just think that would be a worst case scenario. Do just well enough that they don't make any coaching changes this year. After they dumped almost everyone except for Lovie, I figured he was here to stay. He's Virginia's boy!
A coaching system would work for the Bears since they have none. Hester wasn't a receiver in High School and College for a reason, he isn't one. Tight ends are needed to win Championships, we have none. Offensive lines are where wins and losses start and we have none. And why the hell are the Bears only 3 point dogs this Sunday? Bet the house on Green Bay, I'm going Xmas shopping!
;D
Quote from: Sr. on December 12, 2012, 03:05:29 PM
A coaching system would work for the Bears since they have none. Hester wasn't a receiver in High School and College for a reason, he isn't one. Tight ends are needed to win Championships, we have none. Offensive lines are where wins and losses start and we have none. And why the hell are the Bears only 3 point dogs this Sunday? Bet the house on Green Bay, I'm going Xmas shopping!
;D
This man is wise beyond his very advanced years.... ;)
I don't think the final result would have been different, but that officiating was pretty one sided in favor of the Packers today.
I thought 2 of the offensive PI calls on Jeffery were not needed. Typically they just let the guys play when both sides are getting physical like that. The one where they called it on Shields after Jeffery grabbed him by the face mask and threw him out of bounds seemed to precipitate the rest of the calls. It got a little ridiculous.
No matter how you shake it down, the Bears still couldn't score points. I mean, 1st and Goal from the 5 and we took 4 cracks at it and came up empty. Tells you all you need to know.
Maybe Arizona will do us a favor and put us out of our misery next week. It'd be nice to have a dog in the fight for the playoffs, but watching the Bears score 1 TD per game is just getting depressing. I'm ready for it to be over.
It would be fitting for us to start 7-1 and finish 1-7. A palindrome season to finish out Lovie's career as a Bear.
The Bears D is old and beat up. As bad as Martz was last year, Tice is even worse this season. How is it that Cuter is STILL not on the same page with his receivers in Week 15???? >:(
The refs should never be as involved in any game as they were in yesterday's debacle.
Unfortunately, I believe Lovie will be back next year if he wins 1 more game.
Quote from: jasonc on December 17, 2012, 07:42:45 AM
Unfortunately, I believe Lovie will be back next year if he wins 1 more game.
I don't see what is pointing you in that direction.
Quote from: Dan Michler on December 17, 2012, 08:18:45 AM
Quote from: jasonc on December 17, 2012, 07:42:45 AM
Unfortunately, I believe Lovie will be back next year if he wins 1 more game.
I don't see what is pointing you in that direction.
While I'd like to believe that Emery can and should make the call to fire Lovie, he is due $5,000,000 next year. Historically, the McCaskeys have not been willing to pay someone to do nothing. Also, mama bear Virginia loves Lovie.
If Lovie can finish with a winning record, Virginia and Emery will not agree on Lovie's future.
Nearly every single NFL coach goes into a season with at least 2 years remaining on their current deal. 2013 is the last year on Lovie's current contract. If the Bears do not make the playoffs now, how could Emery feel comfortable giving Lovie an extension?
I hope that at the end of day the McCaskeys remember why they hired Emery and allow their General Manager to do his job.
Another wasted season of having a championship defense. All the offense has to do is not totally suck. Average sucking and this team would be 2-3 loss team. What a joke!
Quote from: CEValkyrie on December 17, 2012, 10:46:01 AM
Another wasted season of having a championship defense. All the offense has to do is not totally suck. Average sucking and this team would be 2-3 loss team. What a joke!
Cutler, Marshall and Forte. If the rest of the offense would have been just marginally ok they would have clinched the division already.
I don't know who all is to blame but I'm ready for a change. "When its time to change, its time to rearrange..."
Quote from: jasonc on December 17, 2012, 09:09:19 AM
While I'd like to believe that Emery can and should make the call to fire Lovie, he is due $5,000,000 next year. Historically, the McCaskeys have not been willing to pay someone to do nothing. Also, mama bear Virginia loves Lovie.
Actually they fired the last coach, Dick Jauron, with 1 year remaining on his deal.
Quote from: Dan Michler on December 17, 2012, 05:27:55 PM
Quote from: jasonc on December 17, 2012, 09:09:19 AM
While I'd like to believe that Emery can and should make the call to fire Lovie, he is due $5,000,000 next year. Historically, the McCaskeys have not been willing to pay someone to do nothing. Also, mama bear Virginia loves Lovie.
Actually they fired the last coach, Dick Jauron, with 1 year remaining on his deal.
That is true, but Jauron went 4-12 and 7-9 after his only playoff appearance (a loss at home to the Eagles). His final record with the Bears was 35-45 when he got fired.
Lovie's current record is 79-63.
Look like it comes down to 1 game? Bears have to win and MN has to lose to GB.
This is a win/win to me.
If the Bears win and MN loses we are in the playoffs.
If the Bears lose or MN wins Lovie Smith gets fired!
I don't view the Bears losing as a win, regardless of whether Lovie gets fired. I would like to see a new look for this team though. The Lovie days have been somewhat successful, but its gotten stale. He's a talented defensive coach, no doubt about it. I think this city just wants to see some points scored for once. We need offensive minded people making the decisions.
It annoys me that the GB/MN game was flexed back to 330pm. If the Bears win, I'm not looking forward to watching that game and rooting for the Packers.
just win and let the rest decide itself
go bears !
Season done. Of course the MF'in Packers couldn't help us out. I pray to Jesus that the Vikings beat them again next week.
My gut tells me Lovie will head into next year as the head coach. Without an extension though, he'll be coaching for his job next year. Mike Tice will be gone and the search for Lovie's 5th OC in 9 years will begin immediately. The defense is old. Its going to be tough to make it through another season staying as healthy as they did. I don't know how they plan to improve the offensive line, but I certainly hope they at least have a plan. I hope Kellen Davis and Devin Hester have played their last games in a Bears uniform.
Well the Packers sure look like crap going into the playoffs, which is cool. No way Lovie is going to be back next year. I think that decision was made about 3 games ago whether the bears made the playoffs or not. Sean Payton PLEASE!!!
from SB worthy, to NO Playoffs!! lmao didn't even have to wait until January. and go ahead and bring up the Steelers. I never talked about them and a SB! see ya next year kids!
Lovie Smith is 19-41 against teams with an above .500 record. OUCH! :o
Quote from: jasonc on December 17, 2012, 09:09:19 AM
While I'd like to believe that Emery can and should make the call to fire Lovie, he is due $5,000,000 next year. Historically, the McCaskeys have not been willing to pay someone to do nothing. Also, mama bear Virginia loves Lovie.
Now the Bears have fired their last 2 head coaches with 1 year remaining on their deal. Historically, that is what they seem to do.
I think the Saints already locked up Payton to a new contract Tom. $8M/year. I'm interested to see who Emery goes with.
Yesterday morning ESPN ran this piece called "Safe or Out" where Jaworski and Hodge let everyone know which coaches were safe and which were out. They went through about 8 coaches and didn't even include Lovie Smith becaues thats how safe they apparently thought he was. I thought that was really odd considering the rumors in Chicago have been swirling for months now. Apparently the East Coast is the only thing that matters on ESPN. They talked about Rex Ryan for about 5 minutes.
"Apparently the East Coast is the only thing that matters on ESPN. They talked about Rex Ryan for about 5 minutes."
Big reason why I do not listen to ESPN 1000, thier national shows at least. I have been told after the national shows are done that they are better than 670 The Score but i have not given it a chance yet. Anyways carry on ...
It's about time. When you have 3 weapons like Marshall, Cutler, & Forte you deserved to the the axe.
Quote from: Tenny Schimo on December 30, 2012, 05:18:55 PM
Well the Packers sure look like crap going into the playoffs, which is cool. No way Lovie is going to be back next year. I think that decision was made about 3 games ago whether the bears made the playoffs or not. Sean Payton PLEASE!!!
Crap? Losing on a last second field goal on the road to the team with the league MVP isn't exactly crap. They may not make the Super Bowl, but they are one of the favorites going into the play-offs.
Last two seasons:
Aaron Rodgers 84 touchdowns 14 interceptions
Jay Cutler 32 touchdowns 21 interceptions
Quote from: Tom McManus on December 31, 2012, 04:52:31 PM
Quote from: Tenny Schimo on December 30, 2012, 05:18:55 PM
Well the Packers sure look like crap going into the playoffs, which is cool. No way Lovie is going to be back next year. I think that decision was made about 3 games ago whether the bears made the playoffs or not. Sean Payton PLEASE!!!
Crap? Losing on a last second field goal on the road to the team with the league MVP isn't exactly crap. They may not make the Super Bowl, but they are one of the favorites going into the play-offs.
Last two seasons:
Aaron Rodgers 84 touchdowns 14 interceptions
Jay Cutler 32 touchdowns 21 interceptions
I wouldn't count the Packers out and I would agree that Rodgers is better than Cutler. Sometimes I think I'm the last person in Chicago that likes Cutler but I'd take Rodgers in a second!
Minnesota was going to be hard to beat on Sunday. I think the whole team wanted to get AP the record and they all knew it was win or be done. I wish the Bears would have at least another game to play but they just weren't good enough this year. Looking forward to seeing what kind of coaching and player changes they make during the off season.
I'm not sure how Devin Hester's retirement threat is making headlines. I thought the Bears might cut him after the season anyways? He averaged 8.3 yds per punt return and had 242 receiving yards. I'm not sure what we're paying for with him. Him threatening to retire in response to Lovie's firing is just laughable. Maybe he's trying to use some reverse psychology? He's just not very bright.
Tom, I'm going to agree with Schimo, the Packers did not look great on Sunday. That was a big loss. And I think the MVP vote is going to be close between AP and Peyton Manning.
If Hester is back as a WR I'd be shocked. Any decent offensive minded coach would be out of his mind to keep this guy on the field. I'm looking forward to a fresh start.
Quote from: Dan Michler on December 31, 2012, 11:40:32 AM
Quote from: jasonc on December 17, 2012, 09:09:19 AM
While I'd like to believe that Emery can and should make the call to fire Lovie, he is due $5,000,000 next year. Historically, the McCaskeys have not been willing to pay someone to do nothing. Also, mama bear Virginia loves Lovie.
Now the Bears have fired their last 2 head coaches with 1 year remaining on their deal. Historically, that is what they seem to do.
I think the Saints already locked up Payton to a new contract Tom. $8M/year. I'm interested to see who Emery goes with.
Yesterday morning ESPN ran this piece called "Safe or Out" where Jaworski and Hodge let everyone know which coaches were safe and which were out. They went through about 8 coaches and didn't even include Lovie Smith becaues thats how safe they apparently thought he was. I thought that was really odd considering the rumors in Chicago have been swirling for months now. Apparently the East Coast is the only thing that matters on ESPN. They talked about Rex Ryan for about 5 minutes.
As I said previously, I am very happy to see that the Bears allowed Emery to do his job and look for a new Head Coach after too many years of settling for 8-8 or similar results. Maybe the McCaskeys really did want Lovie gone, but didn't want a family member to publicly make the call???
Either way, it's good to see the Bears moving in a new direction. ;D
I hate reading and hearing about this from most of the usual sports outlets and their fans. I see so many calls for the return of Ditka. Not only is this never going to happen but he was the worst coach. The only good thing I can say about Ditka is that he picked good assistant and positional coaches.
I am a much more casual football fan than many of you. However, last Sunday I sat down and watched football all afternoon. I saw the Bears win a game because their opponent was lousy and their defense was generally good. It was an overall boring game that held my interest only because the local heroes were fighting for a playoff spot.
I saw a very entertaining game between the Packers and Vikings. I thought Rogers was tremendous and he almost willed his team to victory. However, he was beat by an unbelievable performance by Adrian Peterson. The Bears would not have beaten either team based on their performance Sunday. Sure, they would have held Peterson to less yards but Vikings would still have scored more than enough to win a game against the listless Chicago offense. I was disappointed when Green Bay lost but was satisfied that I had watched a good football game.
Cutler is not as good as Aaron Rogers. Few are. However, he is more than good enough to win if he had the NFL median offensive line. He may have the strongest arm of any of them. However, you can only use that strength if you have time to throw. Lovie Smith had a lot of positives as a coach. His players clearly feel very strongly about him. However, he had to be held accountable for the failure to deal with the offense. It may be the GM's responsibility for getting players but the coaching staff still has to deal with the talent they have. Even if they have a lower echelon offensive line they are still professionals and the coaching staff can still find ways to be somewhat effective and help that talent reach whatever potential it has. Is Gave Carimi really a bust or will a new regime make him at least adequate if not better?
As for the Packers...they are a flawed and hurt team. However, I would never count Rogers out of any game. They can flame out and lose again to the Vikings. They could also win it all. I don't see any great teams, I see a lot of good teams.The playoffs should be interesting. I don't see any real favorites but I have not seen enough of New England to form am opinion about them.
Of course what do I know. I am more of a baseball fan.
Quote from: Jon Brakel on January 02, 2013, 10:05:56 AM
I hate reading and hearing about this from most of the usual sports outlets and their fans. I see so many calls for the return of Ditka. Not only is this never going to happen but he was the worst coach. The only good thing I can say about Ditka is that he picked good assistant and positional coaches.
I have not seen or heard about any serious calls for Ditka to return. Anyone who actually wants to see that happen is a moron.
Maybe Lovie should have allowed Ditka to pick his coordinators and assistant coaches???? That seemed to be Lovie's major flaw, at least for the Offense.
Quote from: Jon Brakel on January 02, 2013, 10:05:56 AM
I hate reading and hearing about this from most of the usual sports outlets and their fans. I see so many calls for the return of Ditka. Not only is this never going to happen but he was the worst coach. The only good thing I can say about Ditka is that he picked good assistant and positional coaches.
Ha, its funny to think about. I think any coach would have been successful with the defensive talent the Bears had in the 80's. Buddy Ryan left for Philly after the 1985 season, and the Bears went 14-2 and allowed even fewer points the following season. Most any defensive scheme will work when you have that kind of talent to execute the plan. I think its more complicated to run a good offense and call the right plays. Hopefully the Bears get the right guy this time around.
The only serious rumors I have heard were about the Bears interviewing the GB and DEN offensive coordinators. Unfortunately, neither would come with Peyton Manning or Aaron Rodgers as a package deal :o
I would like to say this about Ditka. He tells us every Sunday whats wrong with the Bears, and 99% of the time he is correct. 7-1 to no playoffs, is worthy of being fired itself. Not trying to kick ya while your down guys, my team is watching just as well.
On a side note, I am glad 1 DIE HARD took my bet after the 7-1 start. Good ol Thor Batchelor took $50 saying the Bears would play in the NFC Championship game. :o :o he actually said they would win but the bet was to just make it there.
Hope the Bulls aren't next behind the Bears and the Summer Slumpers!
Emery pointed out that there are three teams in the playoffs with worse offensive lines than the Bears. Its not just the O line. That's just the thing that's easiest to see. If it were only the line then I think the Bears would have beaten the Vikings and would be in the playoffs. I'm hoping the coaching refresh will turn it around for them.
Quote from: Tom McManus on December 31, 2012, 04:52:31 PM
Quote from: Tenny Schimo on December 30, 2012, 05:18:55 PM
Well the Packers sure look like crap going into the playoffs, which is cool. No way Lovie is going to be back next year. I think that decision was made about 3 games ago whether the bears made the playoffs or not. Sean Payton PLEASE!!!
Crap? Losing on a last second field goal on the road to the team with the league MVP isn't exactly crap. They may not make the Super Bowl, but they are one of the favorites going into the play-offs.
Last two seasons:
Aaron Rodgers 84 touchdowns 14 interceptions
Jay Cutler 32 touchdowns 21 interceptions
They made Christian Ponder look like an all pro. Good Luck with that. Who said Cutler was better that Rodgers????
Quote from: Jon Brakel on January 02, 2013, 02:50:55 PM
Emery pointed out that there are three teams in the playoffs with worse offensive lines than the Bears. Its not just the O line. That's just the thing that's easiest to see. If it were only the line then I think the Bears would have beaten the Vikings and would be in the playoffs. I'm hoping the coaching refresh will turn it around for them.
Who are the 3 teams with worse O lines than the Bears that are in the playoffs? I'm not seeing it. I think if you put an above average LT on that line and add a solid TE, everything else would look a lot better and our offense would have a chance to at least be average. Those are the 2 spots I think Emery has to try and fill by any means necessary. We'll also need some more depth at LB and in the secondary. I don't think its a total rebuilding process for the Bears. Fill a couple holes and get a competent OC in here and who knows what can happen.
Quote from: Dan Michler on January 03, 2013, 06:08:50 AM
Quote from: Jon Brakel on January 02, 2013, 02:50:55 PM
Emery pointed out that there are three teams in the playoffs with worse offensive lines than the Bears. Its not just the O line. That's just the thing that's easiest to see. If it were only the line then I think the Bears would have beaten the Vikings and would be in the playoffs. I'm hoping the coaching refresh will turn it around for them.
Who are the 3 teams with worse O lines than the Bears that are in the playoffs? I'm not seeing it. I think if you put an above average LT on that line and add a solid TE, everything else would look a lot better and our offense would have a chance to at least be average. Those are the 2 spots I think Emery has to try and fill by any means necessary. We'll also need some more depth at LB and in the secondary. I don't think its a total rebuilding process for the Bears. Fill a couple holes and get a competent OC in here and who knows what can happen.
The audio clip I heard was not very long and he did not say on it what teams they were. His point was just that they needed to change more than just the offensive line. They needed a new head coach to begin with. I think they could have worked with this line better with different play calling and only starting receivers that can run a route.
Any thoughts on the new coach of the Bears?
Quote from: Tom McManus on January 16, 2013, 07:48:37 AM
Any thoughts on the new coach of the Bears?
Really have no clue but the offense can't get worse can it?
Quote from: CEValkyrie on January 16, 2013, 07:59:09 AM
Quote from: Tom McManus on January 16, 2013, 07:48:37 AM
Any thoughts on the new coach of the Bears?
Really have no clue but the offense can't get worse can it?
New O-Line coach is a good start. Welcome to Chicago, Aaron Kromer.
http://www.nfl.com/news/story/0ap1000000127063/article/aaron-kromer-accepts-oc-role-with-chicago-bears
Trestman coached in Canada and has some Grey Cups, but far from the NFL!! good luck rebuilding! poor Chicago fans. always rebuilding terrible teams!
From the little bit I've read about him, I don't know why anybody wouldn't be excited about having him as our coach. He's worked in the NFL for many years and has a strong endorsement from some pretty high profile players. Steve Young worked with him in San Fran and he called him a great offensive mind and a great playcaller, both things the Bears have sorely lacked. And Steve Young of all people has certainly worked with his share of successful offensive coaches.
I think its a great hire.
only time will tell. but honestly, Bruce Arians was great in Pittsburgh and did a fine job of filling in for Pagano in Indy. I think he would have been a great fit for Chicago. Trestman may be the guy, but there is a reason I'm sure to why he was in the CFL for years, and didn't have a job still with the NFL???
Quote from: pdga#7648 on January 16, 2013, 10:49:26 AM
Trestman may be the guy, but there is a reason I'm sure to why he was in the CFL for years, and didn't have a job still with the NFL???
Head coach, winning championships with a three-year contract to fulfill. He was working in the NFL in the off-season as a quarterback trainer.
If he lets Cutler out of the pocket, they made the right choice!! Cutler to Marshall would be heard all year long if Jay would scramble. Just look at his TD's/INT's while in Denver out of the pocket! Cutler has 1 of the strongest arms in the NFL!
I listened to the entire interview this morning. I enjoyed a lot of what I heard.
I don't expect miracles but the score had an interesting stat. He took over a bad Montreal team. The previous year they threw for 600+ pass attempts and the QB was sacked 68 times. The next season they threw 700+ times and the QB was sacked 22 times.
Bears terminated Johnny Knox's contract today.
Sucks for Knox but it was pretty classy of the Bears to keep him on contract last season. He was on salary and got medical rehab for the entire year.
I agree, it was good to see the Bears help out Knox like that when they certainly were not required to do so.
It appears that he will never make it back to the NFL as a player.
For a franchise long known to be cheap, they appear to be shifting gears over the last few years with moves like this along with the big money spent on Cutler, Peppers, etc.
Knox is lucky to be able to walk. From reports though he was running at about 75% of his speed before his injury. But he was never medically cleared to do any "football" drills or training besides running. I'm glad it sounds like he'll have normal mobility and ability. I guess he announced that he won't be returning to football. But that's no surprise. I wonder if it was significant in any way to Knox's pension benefits or anything else that the Bears kept him on the PUP list instead of the IR?
I was reading on ESPN and I read that there is a rumor that TO could be playng with the bears next year.
My opinion I can see bringing his to training camp and give him a chance. Last official stats with a full year with the Bengals in 2010
played in 14 games with 983 Receiving yards with 9 TD. Say he does make the team I dont expect him to have these kind of numbers but it will give us a nice advantage against the opponent's defense this year instead of only focusing on Marshall.
My initial thoughts of the Bears 1st round draft pick is that it was a reach. A lot of productive talent left out there. Only time will tell.
Quote from: CEValkyrie on April 26, 2013, 10:55:13 AM
My initial thoughts of the Bears 1st round draft pick is that it was a reach. A lot of productive talent left out there. Only time will tell.
Well at least next season we won't be able to say 'why don't the Bears ever address the O line'. The offensive line was clearly the 1st, 2nd, and 3rd priority this offseason. Credit to Emery. Hopefully we see some results. I'm hoping the offense actually outperforms the defense for once next year. With the age of some of the guys on the defensive side, I think we may need it.
Howie Long's son was a very good pick! Cutler needs to be protected to be efficient!
I just find it very funny that Mel Kiper has the Bears with the WORST draft of all teams! ;D I'm saying it again, Chicago teams have no clue when it comes time to drafting! Period!
I agree Cutler has to be protected.
I was surprised to hear this during the draft. The entire scouting staff under Angelo is still working for the Bears. Nothing has really changed but Angelo in terms of evaluating talent. I thought it was a bad draft and no surprise. The ESPN crew was mind boggled with the 2nd round draft pick. They had him ranked 75th to 100th+.
I always hold out until I see them play. I always hope that the Bears saw something in them that no one else did. Lance Briggs was a third rounder. Did the Bears see something great in him or just get lucky?
They were trying to trade their 1st round pick for two later picks. I think they looked at who was out there and what they needed and decided they didn't need to pay first round draft prices for what they needed. That's probably the first thing that they tell Kyle Long.