2005 ILLINOIS OPEN SERIES

[shawn]

that should be interesting considering it is a turnover shot from the deck....  if your shot is a thumber, your just stacking the hole in your favor..   sound fair... no, but your the TD.  so do it...

[Bruce Brakel]

Is #9 the one with tall weeds and scattered schule on the left and  woods on the right with cut grass for a fairway after you get over some schuly woods in front of the elevated tee?  

Like Damon, if I remember the hole, I'm not sure why this one needs to be made harder.  

As much as I can remember of the course, I really cannot think of any hole there that needs yellow rope.  There are a couple of lame holes, but on a course like that a couple of lame holes are a respite.

[Dan Michler]

yeah, thats #9 bruce.

[Dan Michler]

that should be interesting considering it is a turnover shot from the deck....  if your shot is a thumber, your just stacking the hole in your favor..   sound fair... no, but your the TD.  so do it...

alright, i half-jokingly started the whole "brett throws a thumber on that hole so thats why he wants OB there" thing.  but i know him and i'm sure thats not really the reason he is thinking of putting OB there.  i highly doubt his objective in setting up a course for the tournament is to give himself a competitive advantage.  for most hole setups i think his reasoning was always based in trying to make the tournament fun for everybody.

that being said, i still don't really understand any reasoning behind roping off OB on #9.

[CEValkyrie]

I was actually thinking about making a huge island hole with a drop zone but i was hoping to keep that a secret until the morning of the event. It wouldn't play any different for any type of thrower. You either throw it in the circle or you don't. I'll put Bruce in charge of all rope for now on. . Bruce, make sure you bring all 3 spools of rope.   .

[Dan Michler]

that sounds good.  bruce just said he can't think of any hole that needs rope.

[Bruce Brakel]

I don't recall that hole having a fair route to the short grass for anyone other than a someone with a big thumber.  And it seems to me that when you don't make it to the short grass you are screwed.  But I have not played the course since probably the Safari round there in 2003 so what do I know.

[CEValkyrie]

that sounds good.  bruce just said he can't think of any hole that needs rope.

I guess you don't know Bruce too well. You give him some rope the morning of & he turns into another man . Call him the Incredible Rope.    

[Dan Michler]

i've always said that  More Rope = More Fun    

[Dan Michler]

I don't recall that hole having a fair route to the short grass for anyone other than a someone with a big thumber.  And it seems to me that when you don't make it to the short grass you are screwed.  But I have not played the course since probably the Safari round there in 2003 so what do I know.

thats true bruce.  its not an easy hole to get close to unless you have a big thumber.  the hyzer route has alot of danger and the anhyzer isn't easy either.  there is no straight route.

[Jon Brakel]

Alright, alright! I can't tell who is joking about what anymore!!! Except for Dan. Everything that Dan posts is either a joke or a lie. Other than that I don't nothin' from nothin' on this thread anymore. I think I'm the TD on the pro day...so make sure to let me know where the yellow rope is before teeoff.    

[Dan Michler]

well at least i'm consistent.  

[CEValkyrie]

I also liked Mike Clark's idea of turning #4 into a hole like at the USDGC with the clown's mouth. Hole #15
http://www.usdgc.com/media/video/index.html  

[Bruce Brakel]

I also liked Mike Clark's idea of turning #4 into a hole like at the USDGC with the clown's mouth. Hole #15
http://www.usdgc.com/media/video/index.html

I'm still the guy three states away who is fuzzy on course routing.  Does #4 play along a road with a park-like lawn and maybe seven scattered trees and a patch of schule on the right?  

My thought on adding mandos is no mandos unless we have a spotter-official-volunteer on the hole all day, both rounds.  If someone reliable like Damon were volunteering for that role, then I'd defer to Jon and Brett on course design.  

[Bruce Brakel]

My merch plan is to load up on Innova for IOS #1.  The timing looks good to have the new Discwing driver for IOS #2, and that's a course with some longer open holes so that will fit great if it works out.  As soon as I get some artwork I like I'll do a Discraft custom stamp order.

The artwork needs to include as design elements "2005 IOS 7" and "www.brasscash.com".  

I am going to work up something tonight to submit to the design review committee.  I'd rather go with something cool than what I'm about to do.  If you've got something, e-mail it to me or post it here.  

[Dan Michler]

I also liked Mike Clark's idea of turning #4 into a hole like at the USDGC with the clown's mouth. Hole #15
http://www.usdgc.com/media/video/index.html

thats not a bad idea, at least its the same for every type of thrower.  i still think that this course is good and it would be most fun if it were just played the way that it is though.  goofy stuff ends up pissing more people off than it does making people think its cool.  major tourneys can do that stuff cuz they don't have to worry about pissing people off.  everybody wants to play them regardless.

[damonshort]

I also liked Mike Clark's idea of turning #4 into a hole like at the USDGC with the clown's mouth. Hole #15
http://www.usdgc.com/media/video/index.html

I'm still the guy three states away who is fuzzy on course routing.  Does #4 play along a road with a park-like lawn and maybe seven scattered trees and a patch of schule on the right?  

My thought on adding mandos is no mandos unless we have a spotter-official-volunteer on the hole all day, both rounds.  If someone reliable like Damon were volunteering for that role, then I'd defer to Jon and Brett on course design.

Damon's not volunteering that weekend.    Damon's playing disc golf Saturday and music on Sunday.

but I'm flattered that Bruce thinks I'm reliable.

Honestly, I don't see any reason to mess with Parkside's design for this, especially from the long tees. I could see the reasoning behind roping off parts of Fairfield, but Parkside is just fine the way it is.

[CEValkyrie]

Please pre-register if you plan on playing Parkside. It will make things much easier.

Also, renew your PDGA memberships.  

[Clonefan94]

I really want to play this. I have a couple of things working against me though. This would be the first tournament I have ever played in and the first time I ever would have played parkside. So, I need to get up there and get a couple of rounds in first. With a daughter just under two at home and another due in June, time is becoming very short around my house on weekends. I'm really hoping to get up there in the next couple of weeks. If I see that happening, I'll sign up. If not, I don't know if I want my first tournament to be somewhere I've never played.

[CEValkyrie]

David,
    Sounds like a busy time. How have you been? I've started to get to courses early and throw a few drives on each. No upshots or putting. I can play an 18 hole course in under 30 minutes this way. You can get a good feel what you need to do off the tee. Putt prior to the round starting. That works for me. Hope to see you sometime this year.