Lake County Forest Preserve

[Tom McManus]

The finance committee of the Lake County Forest Preserve District voted 7-0 in favor of having disc golf on a forest preserve property. The following members are on the committee:

Chair, Stevenson Mountsier, Lake Barrington
Vice Chair, Pamela O. Newton, Vernon Hills
Anne Flanigan Bassi, Highland Park
Stephen Carlson, Gurnee
Terese Douglass, Grayslake
Audrey H. Nixon, North Chicago
Randy Whitmore, Wadsworth

Pam Newton is a big supporter of disc golf and has been very supportive of adding a course to one of the forest preserve properties. Stevenson Mountsier, Anne Flanigan Bassi, and Terese Douglas were also vocal in their support of disc golf.  Please visit the Lake County Forest Preserve website and thank these individuals for supporting disc golf. http://www.lcfpd.org/index.cfm?fuseaction=home.view

The next step is in choosing a location.  The direction that the discussion went today is that they are looking to create a championship caliber course, that also has tees for recreational players.  They are also considering this to be a pay to play course with minimum daily fees or the opportunity to buy an annual pass.  This is great news.  Please show your support of disc golf by contacting these members.

[CEValkyrie]

Tom,
   
   That is sweet news!!! Nice work today & thanks for attending the meeting.

[DiscGolfSchodt]

 This is very good news!!!!    Just sent in my thank you letter.
Thanks Tom

[lafrill]

location location location...
great news, cross fingers and lcfp may surprise everyone with a world class course.
27 hole course would be wonderful..
multi pins and multi tee pads please.

long, treachorous, and demanding . keep the lassies at home.

[Tom McManus]

location location location...
great news, cross fingers and lcfp may surprise everyone with a world class course.
27 hole course would be wonderful..
multi pins and multi tee pads please.

long, treachorous, and demanding . keep the lassies at home.

This is not the attitude that should be presented to the Lake County Forest Preserve Board.  We want a championship course, but we would also like a course with alternate tee placements that is user friendly to all residents of Lake County.  The best chance of getting a course in place is to be all inclusive and to welcome players of all skill levels. That course can still be a championship caliber course.

Please contact the Board Members that are listed on one of the previous posts and show your support for disc golf. You can make a difference. One voice can make a difference, don't wait for someone else to speak up and have the board move on to another issue.  Thanks.

[damonshort]

and if it's a well-designed course, 18 holes are plenty. It's not like a course has to be either 9 holes or 27, after all. Quality, not quantity. 

[tjdub42]

keep the lassies at home.

Lassie was a bad ass.

[CEValkyrie]

Dear Brett...

Again, the board has not gone on record as "supporting" disk golf.  Staff
was directed to consider sites, costs, potential impact and alternatives.
The dacision has not yet been made.  I am not saying I will not support disk
golf.  As I stated in the meeting, I have concerns.

Steve Carlson

[Bruce Brakel]

I was talking to a Kensington police officer today while he was helping me out with a minor mechanical problem.  He mentioned that they were thinking of pulling the course and moving it for a couple of years to let the land recover.  I agreed that that was a good idea.  He mentioned that the shenanigans at the disc golf course keep them busy, "But it's not the serious players like you; it's the kids who aren't very good at the game.  We never get any trouble from the players on the Tobbogan course."  I told him, "If you have any input into that meeting, tell them that the way to reduce littering, vandalism and all that is to build a course that's tough as hell.  The serious players love that kind of course and the riff-raff will all go somewhere else.  Make the average hole 500 feet.  Problem solved." 

[Working Stiff]

Build a tough course.  Make it pay for play.  Good players who will be respectful of the rules will drive past free 9-hole pitch-N-putts to pay you money to play on a challenging course.  The riff-raff who cause all the problems will stay away.  Problem solved. 

[discmonkey]

After my experiences this summer with chuckers, stolen discs, trashed courses, broken limbs, and various other issues, I would play almost exclusively at such a pay to play course.  I'm tired of driving to Brown Deer, let's get something like that or better down here.

[CEValkyrie]

I was at the meeting today. They are sending the topic of disc golf to all of the committees. http://www.lcfpd.org/about/index.cfm?fuseaction=about.viewBoardMeetings   

Today is was the Land Preservation and Acquisitoin Committe.
I can never remember the guys name but he has given the basic details to the board at each meeting. I do not believe he belongs to any of the boards. He does a pretty good job with the information. They then talk about the LCFPD policy, let visitors speak, committe gives their opinion, then a vote it taken. Below, the names that are in red are totally against disc golf. They did motion to move disc golf forward so it's advancing down the lines.


Land Preservation and Acquisition
Chair, Ann B. Maine, Lincolnshire
Vice Chair, Diana O'Kelly, Mundelein
Stevenson Mountsier, Lake Barrington
Suzi Schmidt, Lake Villa
Angelo D. Kyle, Waukegan
Larry Leafblad, Grayslake
Michael Talbett, Lake Zurich


Here is what it all comes down to. This has been discussed in the past but it's their "policy" that is keeping this back.

1. The board members that vote no say this is an activity that can be offered and is offered in the local park districts. They don't understand what disc golf is and think all these 9-holers offer plenty of disc golf in the area. Soccer, dog sledding, and the model air planes are always discussed when this topic comes up. They are worried that if disc golf is offered it opens the flood gates. This is what we are battling.

[CEValkyrie]

Do you want a quality 18 hole disc golf course in Lake County?

From the beginning i've never gotten my hopes up or even thought disc golf had a realistic chance of getting installed in the LCFPD. The only reason i've tried is because there is absolutely no land in any park district that can offer a quality 18 hole course. There are so many conservative people on the board and there are so many hoops to jump through I thought it was impossible but attempted anyway. However, over the last few meetings there are quite a few people interested in disc golf and giving it a chance. Many of them see this as a chance to bring many people into their forrest preserve. I think there is a 50/50 chance of this happening.

I was irratated today as usual. I was more irratated when one of the board members said she didn't think there was a demand for disc golf. She said she's had a few e-mails and that is it. They really have no clue how big disc golf is in this area and how big it's getting. Here is your chance to voice your opinion. I hear guys complain all the time. This is your chance to do something. Below is link to the board members that will be voting on this topic in the future.  Please call, please e-mail. Contact these people. Below are the links to every member. Their e-mails are right there. Here is the phone number. General Offices - 847-367-6640.  Monday - Friday, 8 am - 5 pm

In your response give them
1. Name
2. Age
3. Address
4. Why you want a disc golf course on LCFPD land. Make sure it says something to the extent that the local park disctricts cannot offer you a quality place to play and poor mantained courses.
5. Other, Lifelong fitness. I don't use the LCFPD but would if disc golf. I'm 60 years old and play, I'm a female & play. I have a family that plays, etc.. etc... etc...


Finance, Administrative and Education
http://www.lcfpd.org/about/index.cfm?fuseaction=about.viewCommittee&group=24557

Land Preservation and Acquisition
http://www.lcfpd.org/about/index.cfm?fuseaction=about.viewCommittee&group=24558

Planning and Restoration
http://www.lcfpd.org/about/index.cfm?fuseaction=about.viewCommittee&group=24554

Executive Advisory
http://www.lcfpd.org/about/index.cfm?fuseaction=about.viewCommittee&group=24556

[CEValkyrie]

Please Help!!

http://www.ipetitions.com/petition/newcourse/

[stpitner]

I'm not sayin... but you know... I'm mentioning... am I reading that right that it's all the women are fully opposed and all the men are open to it?  I'm not saying anything ... just curious if there's anything to it.

[Tom McManus]

I'm not sayin... but you know... I'm mentioning... am I reading that right that it's all the women are fully opposed and all the men are open to it?  I'm not saying anything ... just curious if there's anything to it.

Scott you are 100% wrong on this. Pam Newton who is on the Board is our biggest supporter of disc golf. This was only one committee. And this response is for you, but it is also for other people who may sign the petition.  I appreciate you taking the time to sign the petition, but your comments on the petition are not going to help the cause, in fact it may hurt the cause. The Forest Preserve is looking for a type of course that will bring in Lake County Residents.  A championship style course will do that, but we don't want to give them ammunition that it is going to be exclusionary. A championship style course can bring in the casual player, and one way of doing that is having multiple tee placements.   A course with red, white, and blue tees. The goal of the board, which is not going to change is to enhance the Forest Preserve experience. We are looking for a course that will bring out old and young alike. A course with multiple pin placements that help to maintain the natural flora and fauna. But also a course that caters to the experienced player and will provide a challenge to those highly skilled players. The Forest Preserve has the property and the means to provide such a course.

I think focusing on being inclusive instead of exclusive is what would help. There is no need to mention a "bunch" of other disc golf courses, the board does know about the number of courses in the area.

[CEValkyrie]

This will make your contacts easier. Copy & paste.

smountsier@co.lake.il.us, pnewton@co.lake.il.us, abassi@co.lake.il.us, scarlson@co.lake.il.us, tdouglass@co.lake.il.us, anixon@co.lake.il.us, rwhitmore@co.lake.il.us, amaine@co.lake.il.us, dokelly@co.lake.il.us, sschmidt@co.lake.il.us, akyle@co.lake.il.us, lleafblad@co.lake.il.us, mtalbett@co.lake.il.us, ccalabresa@co.lake.il.us, sgravenhorst@co.lake.il.us, mcunningham@co.lake.il.us, jmartini@co.lake.il.us, bpaxton@co.lake.il.us, rpowers@co.lake.il.us, bsabonjian@co.lake.il.us, cspielman@co.lake.il.us, dstolman@co.lake.il.us, bcarter@co.lake.il.us

[spudsair]

i signed petition
and to answer post in the other section
from fox metro
no it doesnt cost anything

brett are u going to post petition on other area sites ?

i cant do anything from work

[stpitner]

that's why I was "sayin but not sayin..." I think it's great that Pam is a supporter.  I just didn't see her name on the list.  I just noted that it was 3 women listed that were completely against it and 4 men that were not.  I was really more curious if there was any reason for a division along gender lines.

[mirth]

That was just this particular committee, Scott.