good first half tonight
sat in north end zone
lots of fun
kids first bear game
she had fun and has picked up quite a bit of football knowlegde in the short time watching the game
rex was cheered then booed ( must have been lots of cub fans there )
i say let the guy run the show do or die hes better than most of the qb's in the league
so i say bears will win super bowl
yes the bears will win the super bowl this year.
I agree with MIke that its do or die with Rex and we have to stick with him this year. However I'm still going to get pissed at him when he fumbles 3 times and throws 3 picks in a game and we lose by 1 score. He definitely has potential. The defense will be just as good if not better than last year, so watch out!!!
Lance Briggs' Lamborghini was found abandoned and crashed into a light pole on 94 at 3:50am last Monday. Thank god he can afford to abandon a Lamborghini and get the hell out of there and avoid a DUI and possible suspension.
This Rex Grossman thing has to go. He's played in 24 games as a pro and started in the Super Bowl in what really was his rookie year. He threw for 3200 yards and 23 TD's last season. If he continues to improve this could finally be the qb the Bears have been searching for. I have no idea why fans are booing him. Do you really want to see Griese on the field?
Quote from: Dan Michler on August 27, 2007, 01:28:07 PM
Lance Briggs' Lamborghini was found abandoned and crashed into a light pole on 94 at 3:50am last Monday. Thank god he can afford to abandon a Lamborghini and get the hell out of there and avoid a DUI and possible suspension.
I don't think he is going to avoid a suspension. How can Lovie continue to support these guys in public? You would think that he would say something in public about he doesn't condone the behavior of these guys. I know this is from a Packer fan perspective, but it doesn't make sense to me.
I think the league is going to give him a one game suspension.
you think he is getting 1 game for a misdemeanor leaving the scene of an accident offense?
It wouldn't suprise me if Goodel (sp?) comes down on Briggs with a 4-6 game suspension. Look at these other jerks in the league, the pacman jones or ex-bear tank johnson. This league is finnaly trying to control the outside activies of these players...
Ha! Yeah I'm sure Briggs will get 4-6 games for a small misdemeanor. In that case, I guess they will have to kill Vick and all of his family.
I don't think Briggs will get suspended at all. They can't prove that he was drunk driving, or that he was even speeding. Sure, it's almost a guarantee that he was doing one or the other, but they can't prove it unless someone saw him. I don't think it's necessary to suspend a guy for a misdemeanor. I'm sure there were other players on other teams involved in traffic accidents, or even DUI's that didn't get suspended. You just don't hear about it because they aren't the local teams, or big name players.
There isn't a problem with Lovie supporting Briggs. Like I said, no one knows what actually happened, maybe a deer ran out in front of him and he swerved and hit a pole. Unlikely? yes, but Lovie can't jump to conclusions like fans can.
Lance Briggs gets a movie deal!
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Quote from: pearso66 on August 30, 2007, 05:44:33 AM
I don't think Briggs will get suspended at all. They can't prove that he was drunk driving, or that he was even speeding. Sure, it's almost a guarantee that he was doing one or the other, but they can't prove it unless someone saw him. I don't think it's necessary to suspend a guy for a misdemeanor. I'm sure there were other players on other teams involved in traffic accidents, or even DUI's that didn't get suspended. You just don't hear about it because they aren't the local teams, or big name players.
There isn't a problem with Lovie supporting Briggs. Like I said, no one knows what actually happened, maybe a deer ran out in front of him and he swerved and hit a pole. Unlikely? yes, but Lovie can't jump to conclusions like fans can.
You'll have to excuse Tom, he has nothing to look forward to this NFL season except a boat load of turnovers and 20 point losses.
Briggs will get one game off.
He lied to the police. The NFL has a hard time with that. He may have made a wise choice in leaving the scene as nobody can prove he was drinking or doing anything else that would be improper. However, who is kidding who? 330am and he smashes into a sign. Maybe a deer ran into the sign. If that's the case you don't leave the scene and "panic" as he said and lie to the police. Maybe he was up late spending the night with somebody who did not want their liason to be public. That would be a GOOD interpretation of events. Odds are its something more nefarious than that. Lance is lucky. He is not hurt. He did not hurt anybody else. He did not get a DUI. He can afford to eat 150k in damage to his car and he will only lose a game of playing time. I think he skates on this one and hopefully learns his lesson.
Maybe he was visiting sick children at the hospital and is so humble he doesn't want anyone knowing it.
::)
Quote from: Top Banana on August 30, 2007, 11:31:01 AM
Maybe he was visiting sick children at the hospital and is so humble he doesn't want anyone knowing it.
::)
And Rodman was just cleaning his gun in the Pistons parking lot at 3am...Riiiiiiiiiiiiiiiight!!!!!!!!!!!! >:D ;D
Quote from: Jon Brakel on August 30, 2007, 12:07:08 PM
Quote from: Top Banana on August 30, 2007, 11:31:01 AM
Maybe he was visiting sick children at the hospital and is so humble he doesn't want anyone knowing it.
::)
And Rodman was just cleaning his gun in the Pistons parking lot at 3am...Riiiiiiiiiiiiiiiight!!!!!!!!!!!! >:D ;D
Rodman was cleaning Lance's gun?? Whoa, I guess that's a liason you wouldn't want public.... :icon_joker:
Quote from: Mukey on August 30, 2007, 01:50:18 PM
Quote from: Jon Brakel on August 30, 2007, 12:07:08 PM
Quote from: Top Banana on August 30, 2007, 11:31:01 AM
Maybe he was visiting sick children at the hospital and is so humble he doesn't want anyone knowing it.
::)
And Rodman was just cleaning his gun in the Pistons parking lot at 3am...Riiiiiiiiiiiiiiiight!!!!!!!!!!!! >:D ;D
Rodman was cleaning Lance's gun?? Whoa, I guess that's a liason you wouldn't want public.... :icon_joker:
Perhaps you just need to go back to English class. :police: (<---English Police!) The "his" in my sentance was properly referring to Rodman. The word "his" always refers to the last male that was named last. My reference was that if you believe that Lance was "visiting sick children" then you'd also believe that when Rodman was found in the Pistons parking lot at 3am after a game night with a loaded shotgun in his lap, that he was "just cleaning his gun" and had no intention of eating some lead.
Nah, that was an intentional infraction of the English laws. After reading David's "Maybe he was up late spending the night with somebody who did not want their liason to be public" line, the innuendo of Rodman cleaning Lance's gun was too good to pass up, even if grammatically incorrect in the reading. Which is why the :icon_joker:
Was Senator Craig there with Briggs and Rodman?
Quote from: Jon Brakel on August 30, 2007, 02:16:37 PM
Quote from: Mukey on August 30, 2007, 01:50:18 PM
Quote from: Jon Brakel on August 30, 2007, 12:07:08 PM
Quote from: Top Banana on August 30, 2007, 11:31:01 AM
Maybe he was visiting sick children at the hospital and is so humble he doesn't want anyone knowing it.
::)
And Rodman was just cleaning his gun in the Pistons parking lot at 3am...Riiiiiiiiiiiiiiiight!!!!!!!!!!!! >:D ;D
Rodman was cleaning Lance's gun?? Whoa, I guess that's a liason you wouldn't want public.... :icon_joker:
Perhaps you just need to go back to English class. :police: (<---English Police!) The "his" in my sentance was properly referring to Rodman. The word "his" always refers to the last male that was named last. My reference was that if you believe that Lance was "visiting sick children" then you'd also believe that when Rodman was found in the Pistons parking lot at 3am after a game night with a loaded shotgun in his lap, that he was "just cleaning his gun" and had no intention of eating some lead.
Forcing the english police on someone and spelling sentence wrong. Excellent.
LOL. Now, now children.... :)
Back to the point, I hope you guys who keep chirping about how great Wrecks Grossman is, are right.
I heard this morning that Vegas is going to start taking bets on individual players' stats, like over/under 113 yards for LT when he plays Tennessee, and such. Anybody want to bet on what Wrecks' Passer Rating will be any week this season?
Beeeeeyooteefull night for a game!
Quote from: Tom McManus on August 30, 2007, 03:22:34 PM
Quote from: Jon Brakel on August 30, 2007, 02:16:37 PM
Quote from: Mukey on August 30, 2007, 01:50:18 PM
Quote from: Jon Brakel on August 30, 2007, 12:07:08 PM
Quote from: Top Banana on August 30, 2007, 11:31:01 AM
Maybe he was visiting sick children at the hospital and is so humble he doesn't want anyone knowing it.
::)
And Rodman was just cleaning his gun in the Pistons parking lot at 3am...Riiiiiiiiiiiiiiiight!!!!!!!!!!!! >:D ;D
Rodman was cleaning Lance's gun?? Whoa, I guess that's a liason you wouldn't want public.... :icon_joker:
Perhaps you just need to go back to English class. :police: (<---English Police!) The "his" in my sentance was properly referring to Rodman. The word "his" always refers to the last male that was named last. My reference was that if you believe that Lance was "visiting sick children" then you'd also believe that when Rodman was found in the Pistons parking lot at 3am after a game night with a loaded shotgun in his lap, that he was "just cleaning his gun" and had no intention of eating some lead.
Forcing the english police on someone and spelling sentence wrong. Excellent.
Aneewon hoo can't find at leest too wayz to spell a werd just arr not very emaginative!
Ouch!
Knee injuries sideline Bears' Brown, Dvoracek
http://sports.espn.go.com/nfl/news/story?id=3013189 (http://sports.espn.go.com/nfl/news/story?id=3013189)
After seeing Grossman take that hit near the beginning of the game I thought for sure you would see his name come up on an injury list with a concussion or something. My word that was a big hit on him. I don't know if that would have been a blessing or a curse that he wasn't hurt as a result of that play!
Griese+Orton=Blessing.
With Harris and Brown both injured, this defense is weakened severely. I still think if we could atleast play some ball control we can stay in games and have a chance to win against almost any team. The problem is Grossman is not going to be a ball control QB any time soon. Our WR's suck as well. The most significant change we can make at this point is replacing Rex, so I'd give Rex another game or 2 or else bring in Griese.
Griese is obviously not a savior, but its worth a shot to put in somebody who might be able to to move the ball a little and not turn it over 3 times a game. It'd be nice for the defense to not constanty have a short field to defend.
I was listening to some post game coverage on ESPN radio last night (although I may have still been listening to WBBM before switching over), but a caller asked the radio hosts if they felt that Orton would be a good choice to put in as QB because he shows better ball control. I just had to chuckle at that because I don't know how Orton would be any better than Grossman out there. Unless you like endless sideways passes for little to no gain, Orton benefitted greatly from a defense that kept getting turnovers and was keeping the field short for the offense. With the ugly turnover ratio that the Bears have, I don't see how Orton would be an answer at all.
There was speculation that Grossman and Griese will each get an equal number of snaps this week in practice... will be interesting to see what happens.
Grossman is getting the Corey Patterson treatment... it's brutal.
The Bears are definitely in trouble.
Plain & simple. Run the f'ing ball! We gave up a proven RB for absolutely nothing!
Thomas Jones
2006 1,201 yds 4.1 avg 6 tds
2005 1,335yds 4.3 avg 9 tds
Cedric Benson
2007 189 yds 3.2 avg 1 td.
In the 2 losses he's run for 42 & 46 yards with an avg of 2.2 & 2.9. I don't care who we put at QB. If we can't run the ball we aren't going to win.
Quote from: CEValkyrie on September 24, 2007, 05:29:18 PM
The Bears are definitely in trouble.
Plain & simple. Run the f'ing ball! We gave up a proven RB for absolutely nothing!
Thomas Jones
2006 1,201 yds 4.1 avg 6 tds
2005 1,335yds 4.3 avg 9 tds
Cedric Benson
2007 189 yds 3.2 avg 1 td.
In the 2 losses he's run for 42 & 46 yards with an avg of 2.2 & 2.9. I don't care who we put at QB. If we can't run the ball we aren't going to win.
I agree completely. I had a feeling that trading a proven, producing back for one they put money into would come back to haunt them. If they kept Jones around they could've had Benson as his backup and he mighta learned how to hold onto the ball. Core Bears football is great D & the Run. Superbowl loser jinx? They don't seem to have anything working right now and with the injuries on defense, we might all be playing more Sunday doubles rather than watching the games.
Everybody is pining for Jones, yet he is only averaging 3.5 yards per carry, and Benson is at 3.2. Jones also has a fumble this year. Benson has only fumbled 3 times in his career, so it's possible that he won't have many more to finish off the year. I don't think Benson is the whole problem with running the ball, it seems like he has no run blocking, and the play calling has been horrible and predictable.
As for Griese replacing Grossman, he will throw INT's too. I don't think Griese is the answer to anyones question, he's been in the league for what? 10 years? and started probably 5-7 of those, and he has never taken a team to the playoffs. Granted with this D, the QB doesn't have to be anything special, but the Bears will never win a Super Bowl just trying to avoid mistakes on offense. The offense needs to be opened back up for Grossman so he can go back to the deep ball, which will open up the running game. And our receivers need to stop quitting on their routes, or just plain dropping the ball. It seems now that Rex is scared to make mistakes, he is making more. Just let him go out there and play his game, since that's the only way this team will succeed. But if they do decide to pull Rex, I can't argue, since he has been pretty bad at times.
As for Injuries, Harris will probably be fine, as he was just kicked, but if Briggs and Vasher miss any time, that would hurt a lot, as it would if Ruben Brown misses time. You think the Line has been bad so far, the Bears have no backups on that offensive line that are capable of starting in the NFL.
I think if we had a better quarterback, he'd be in the game by now. The coaches all watch the practices and preseason and then they put their best team on the field.
I also think it was a mistake to trade Jones. I was really pissed off about that when it happened. I think Jones/Benson made a great team of running backs. If Jones wasn't working or was tired they'd put Benson in. They have such different running styles that I think it helped keep the defense off balance a little.
The deep ball is not going to save this offense. Their OL is not good enough to hold off the rush for the deep ball most of the time. I think they would do better with putting in some quick timing routes that would give the OL a little break rather than the long throws where they have to hold their blocks longer.
Injuries suck. Good teams win anyway. I watch no matter how bad they are!
So when I get done rinsing tonight i'll have like a dozen Bears discs. Should I be putting these in the freezer for next year or what? ;D
Quote from: Uncle Sam on September 11, 2007, 10:40:58 AM
Griese+Orton=Blessing.
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Orton should never, ever be considered a blessing
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Quote from: stpitner on September 24, 2007, 04:42:48 PM
Unless you like endless sideways passes for little to no gain
I'd still take Grossman over Orton. No question. Though, I would really like to see Griese given a shot.
Peyton Manning wouldn't be lighting it up right now if he was running the Bears offense. Its brutal at every position. Having Thomas Jones would be making zero difference right now. With the lack of talent we have on offense, we need to play it as conservative as possible. Run the ball and don't turn it over. Grossman has proven he can't do this, so give somebody else a shot. We aren't going to dominate teams, so we just need to try to stay in them as long as possible and try to steal wins with defensive turnovers or kick returns.
Quote from: Dan Michler on September 25, 2007, 11:19:22 AM
Peyton Manning wouldn't be lighting it up right now if he was running the Bears offense. Its brutal at every position. Having Thomas Jones would be making zero difference right now. With the lack of talent we have on offense, we need to play it as conservative as possible. Run the ball and don't turn it over. Grossman has proven he can't do this, so give somebody else a shot. We aren't going to dominate teams, so we just need to try to stay in them as long as possible and try to steal wins with defensive turnovers or kick returns.
I hear what you're saying. I just don't think that either of the other quarterbacks is going to be any better. We may find out soon though...
Quote from: Dan Michler on September 25, 2007, 11:19:22 AM
Having Thomas Jones would be making zero difference right now. With the lack of talent we have on offense, we need to play it as conservative as possible. Run the ball and don't turn it over.
This is exactly why they NEED Thomas Jones
when I went to spring training, orton looked really good, better then Griese. I say give them both a shot. Treat this next game against the lions as a full tilt pre-season game and have them each play a quarter. The better of the three plays the 4th qtr.
well we might get to see the difference it makes this weekend.
http://sports.espn.go.com/nfl/news/story?id=3036174 (http://sports.espn.go.com/nfl/news/story?id=3036174)
Quote from: ActionJackson on September 25, 2007, 09:42:20 AM
Quote from: Uncle Sam on September 11, 2007, 10:40:58 AM
Griese+Orton=Blessing.
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Orton should never, ever be considered a blessing
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Quote from: stpitner on September 24, 2007, 04:42:48 PM
Unless you like endless sideways passes for little to no gain
I'd still take Grossman over Orton. No question. Though, I would really like to see Griese given a shot.
Sorry, I meant to say it was a blessing that Grossman was not hurt.
This seems like a panic move. Until yesterday Grossman seemed in no danger of loosing his job. Griese is no savior. I hope this is just a short experiment designed to shake Rex out of his funk, because he is the ONLY real option the Bears have at Quarterback.
Arguing Jones and Benson is not really the point. Don't you need depth? Don't you need more than one quality back? What did we get for Jones? Nothing, that what we got. It was a bad front office move, plain and simple.
Its a long season, and we are in better shape than New Orleans. A lot of people picked Chicago-New Orleans as the favorites in the NFC. It's funny how a few weeks can change things.
if benson doesnt fumble on 2nd and 2 , its a whole different game
the momentum changed right then and there
even if hes stopped and on third down they dont get it and punt
its still a different game
the recievers have been dogging it on several plays
the line hasnt seemed to bad but has had its moments
take the handcuffs off and let the REX man play
look at the list of former bear QB's and tell me who is/was better
Jim Miller before he was body slammed by Hugh Douglas
then maybe Erik Kramer then McMahon
Id rather see Orton than Griese but
LET THE REX MAN PLAY
I heard at lunch time that the Bears officially announced that Rex will be the back-up QB this week.
Steve Dahl's thought of the day: "As of today, Olin Kreutz now has something Griese being inserted between his legs."
wonder how long he's been thinking about what comment he was going to make when the announcement made it official.... :rolleyes:
Griese for a last name in football is not a good last name. It just sounds like a fumble waiting to happen. It's similar to some of the players in baseball that's it's like... do I really want him playing on my team? Examples of this: relief pitcher Ed Balfour, and seattle closer J.J. Putz (I know he says it's pronounce poots). There were a bunch more, but I can't remember them at the moment.
What if he's good at evading the sack? Then one could say he lives up to his name....
Kramer was the best of those, but he had Curtis Conway to throw to which is a far better receiver than anybody we have right now. I'm not sure how our WR seem to have taken such a big step backward from last year.
P.S. you should have included Harbaugh on that list.
P.S.S. Former Pirates starter Bob Walk had a pretty bad name.
P.S.S.S. Spuds, you are on crack. The Rex Man sucks and you don't get 3 seasons to prove yourself as a starting QB in the NFL, so somebody else gets a chance. Whether we think Griese or Orton will be good is irrelevant, we KNOW Rex sucks because he has gotten more than one chance, so lets find out if our backups can do any better leading this offense.
For the record, I kind of doubt this QB change is going to help anything, but it will be nice to know for sure.
Here is the Bears October Collection. I think four of these are Innova.
2 picks inside the 10-yard line = painful. Time to start chanting Orton? Tough loss Bears fans. I couldn't believe the onside kick was returned for a TD, that's just like a slap in the face.
Go Cubbies, or be a packers fan, that's cool too!
Quote from: Jon Brakel on September 25, 2007, 07:28:14 AM
I think if we had a better quarterback, he'd be in the game by now. The coaches all watch the practices and preseason and then they put their best team on the field.
hmm...what to do now?
Quote from: Jon Brakel on October 01, 2007, 01:45:01 PM
Quote from: Jon Brakel on September 25, 2007, 07:28:14 AM
I think if we had a better quarterback, he'd be in the game by now. The coaches all watch the practices and preseason and then they put their best team on the field.
hmm...what to do now?
Play more Sunday doubles with drinks afterwards as a sidebet?
Quote from: Jon Brakel on October 01, 2007, 01:45:01 PM
Quote from: Jon Brakel on September 25, 2007, 07:28:14 AM
I think if we had a better quarterback, he'd be in the game by now. The coaches all watch the practices and preseason and then they put their best team on the field.
hmm...what to do now?
What they should do, is give griese another game, maybe 2, and if they are still playing poorly, they should either A) give the job back to Grossman, to see if he can perform, or B) give the job to Orton, and see what he can do. There is no reason to continue to start Griese if they still stink. Grossman is gone, and if Orton sucks, they have to start at square 1 next year. So hopefully out of the 3 QB's they have, they can figure something out so they can compete next year.
i say we travel back in time and draft a QB in last year's draft such as Kolb and we use this season to develop him for the future.
The Lions suck year after year and they are always trying to solve the quarterback problem. The Bears have been great without a good quarterback. The quarterback isn't the problem.
Exactly, it's the running game. There has been no smash mouth football & Benson goes down with the initial hit.
Quote from: CEValkyrie on October 01, 2007, 05:32:45 PM
Exactly, it's the running game. There has been no smash mouth football & Benson goes down with the initial hit.
I think the problem is the O-Line and the play calling. Benson can't break away from every tackle. When the line is letting guys through and they are hitting him in the backfield, there is only so much he can do. Not even the almighty Thomas Jones could run with what the line is giving them this year
I think the bears should continue to use wolfe and petersen. Combined they seem to be what thomas and benson were last year. And look at how good benson was running after he was taken out after a few series. He needs a fire lit under his backside to show that we still don't have to play him. Make him want to earn playing time instead of being given it for nothing.
There is nowhere to run for the RB's if you actually watch the game. Benson gets initial contact in the backfield half the time. I'm sure Brett is thinking we'd be 4-0 if we had Thomas Jones' 3.4 per carry he's getting with the Jets instead of Benson's 3.2 per carry :D
We suck at every offensive position so lets not blame anybody more than the next guy. I'm not going to be content with a piece of crap QB though even if we have had success with them before. Thats just ludicrous.
Maybe if Leinart keeps running his mouth in the desert the Cardinals will be looking to part ways. just pipe dreams.....
ARE YOU KIDDING ME!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! BEARS WIN! BEARS WIN! BEARS WIN!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Quote from: Dan Michler on October 02, 2007, 12:05:34 PM
There is nowhere to run for the RB's if you actually watch the game. Benson gets initial contact in the backfield half the time. I'm sure Brett is thinking we'd be 4-0 if we had Thomas Jones' 3.4 per carry he's getting with the Jets instead of Benson's 3.2 per carry :D
We suck at every offensive position so lets not blame anybody more than the next guy. I'm not going to be content with a piece of crap QB though even if we have had success with them before. Thats just ludicrous.
You are 100% correct on all points here. I think the difference in the Packers game was that the offensive line was actually starting to move some people around, & protect the QB. The game is won & lost in the trenches.
I'm afraid Cedric Benson is looking more like Rashaam Salam than he is Anthony Thomas. And Anthony Thomas is bad.
Both games Beson has rushed 20+ times we have won. All this talk about Grossman and Griese managing a game is running the ball. If the Bears would committ to running the ball Grossman might still be in there and we might be 4-1 at this point.
The Thomas Jones #'s on the Jets can be thrown out the window. He proved he could move the ball in Chi. He could catch the ball out of the backfield and could avoid inital contact. Both are something Benson has not done yet.
I don't think Benson has been given the chance to show he can avoid initial contact yet. The O-line has blocked terribly for the running game so far this year. The only thing I didn't like about Benson so far this year is 1, the fumbles, but from what I've heard he doesn't fumble much, so that could be a fluke, and one of his fumbles hit the helmet of another player dead on, I doubt anyone holds onto that. And the running out of bounce instead of taking a hit. Benson has been successful at catching the ball out of the backfield so far this year.
If Jones proved he could move the ball in Chicago last year, than so did Benson, as they averaged pretty much the same Yards Per Carry, I believe it was like 3.6 to 3.5. I do agree, the Bears need to run the ball to be successful. They don't have a Brett Favre or Payton Manning type QB where they can do everything, never have. Benson has rushed 20+ times 3 times in his career, and the Bears are 3-0 in those games, Coincidence?
Part of it is play calling also. Benson seems to get more yards running between the tackles rather than trying to go outside. Sometimes it's Benson doing it but usually it's the play call. Keep Benson running upfield most of time and I think he'll do better.
Quote from: CEValkyrie on October 09, 2007, 11:57:25 AM
Both games Beson has rushed 20+ times we have won. All this talk about Grossman and Griese managing a game is running the ball. If the Bears would committ to running the ball Grossman might still be in there and we might be 4-1 at this point.
The Thomas Jones #'s on the Jets can be thrown out the window. He proved he could move the ball in Chi. He could catch the ball out of the backfield and could avoid inital contact. Both are something Benson has not done yet.
Brett, you are insane my friend. You have the cause and effect mixed up. The Bears throwing the ball well and getting ahead causes them to get more rushes in a game. Getting more rushing plays in a game is not the cause of the Bears winning. Also, if they are rushing the ball successfully, then they will get more rushing plays and be more likely to win. Calling running play after running play even when its 3rd and 10 and we are down 7, just for the sake of getting our # of carries up, is not going to help us win.
The offensive line is not the same group it was last year for Jones. Benson ran better with that line also. We need to play small ball and force turnovers to win games. Griese is better at hitting the short to intermediate passes. I think he has displayed that.
Run the f'ing ball!
Week #1
1st & 10--Grossman INT
Week #2
1st & 10--Grossman INT
Week # 3
2nd & 6--Grossman INT
1st & 10--Grossman INT
Week #4
1st & 6--Griese INT
Week #5
1st & 10--Griese INT
Quote from: Jon Brakel on October 09, 2007, 02:44:39 PM
Part of it is play calling also. Benson seems to get more yards running between the tackles rather than trying to go outside. Sometimes it's Benson doing it but usually it's the play call. Keep Benson running upfield most of time and I think he'll do better.
Benson's problem is that he waits for a hole to open. Then it is too late for him to get to it. Football plays are designed to work. So if a play calls for a running back to run between the tackle and the guard then take the ball and run there. Don't wait in the back field to see if it will opens or not. Just run there and run hard. Benson does not do this. Last year Jones did and look how good he was. Until the Bears get a hard running explosive running back again then they will go nowhere.
Quote from: DiscCrazy on October 11, 2007, 08:47:25 AM
Until the Bears get a hard running explosive running back again then they will go nowhere.
Speaking of explosive, Devin Hester is absolutely amazing. Even when he doesn't break another NFL record, he is so much fun to watch. Did you see Antoine Winfield try to cover him on the fly route? He looked like someone tied his shoestrings together.
its simple to just say 'run the ball more'. when you are down 31-17 with 4 minutes left, there isn't alot of choice.
Quote from: Dan Michler on October 16, 2007, 11:23:09 AM
its simple to just say 'run the ball more'. when you are down 31-17 with 4 minutes left, there isn't alot of choice.
If the one consistent part of the Bears (The defense) can't stop the run it's going to be ugly the rest of the way.
The score at half was 14-14. Peterson runs for 73 yards with 4:06 in the 3rd quarter to make it 21-14. Griese throws INT on the next possesion. Lack of controlling the ball on the ground continues to phook the bears. MN kicks field goal to go up 24-14. Why isn't the head of Griese rolling yet? 3 games. 6 picks, 2 fumbles.
wheres henry burris when you need him ?
moses moreno?
will furer ?
jeff george ?
dang vinnie testiverde signed with the panthers
put grossman back in
Quote from: CEValkyrie on October 16, 2007, 11:50:35 AM
Quote from: Dan Michler on October 16, 2007, 11:23:09 AM
its simple to just say 'run the ball more'. when you are down 31-17 with 4 minutes left, there isn't alot of choice.
If the one consistent part of the Bears (The defense) can't stop the run it's going to be ugly the rest of the way.
The score at half was 14-14. Peterson runs for 73 yards with 4:06 in the 3rd quarter to make it 21-14. Griese throws INT on the next possesion. Lack of controlling the ball on the ground continues to phook the bears. MN kicks field goal to go up 24-14. Why isn't the head of Griese rolling yet? 3 games. 6 picks, 2 fumbles.
People are not longing for Grossman back because he threw just as many interceptions in 33 less attempts.
Grossman yds/attempt 5.6
Griese yds/attempt 7.2
Grossman 52.8 comp%
Griese 61.5 comp%
Grossman 1 TD
Griese 7 TD
Grossman rating 45.2
Griese rating 82.0
An 82.0 passer rating for this offense is actually pretty good. That is why Griese's head is not rolling.
A friend of mine who is a Packer fan sent this to me this morning...
Chicago police reported that an individual attempted to "egg" Bears Coach Lovie Smith's house last night.
The report stated; An empty egg carton was recovered at the scene. Three eggs went over his house and hit his neighbor's back door, four eggs hit the houses of each of his next-door neighbors, and the remaining eggs were found broken on the ground near the carton from where the individual threw them. Strangely, Lovie's house wasn't actually hit by any of the eggs.
Police officials say they are considering Rex Grossman as the primary suspect. >:D
97 yard drive with 90 seconds left to win the game on the road....1st time we have ever beaten McNabb.
Griese 27/41 for 322 and a score.....most importantly no turnovers.
whatever Eagle was called for holding on the play that would have given the Eagles a first down near the 2 minute warning better be doing everything he can to apologize and make up for it to the team. That cost them the game!
we listened to the game on the way home
bears go up by 3 , we hit the lake forest oasis and come back and they are down by 4
wtf ?
we are listening to the game and joking that yeah 97 yards in two minutes with no timeouts
NO PROBLEM ! right this is the bears
and then they score Hurray ! thank you PARITY in the NFL
the bears are still in the race
Da Bears !!!!!
who ever the bear was that got the roughing the kicker call on them that allowed Philly to keep going and eventually take the lead, better be giving the offense gift baskets for not making him the scapegoat for the game if they didn't score.
The Bears win one important game! Big deal! Before anyone can say they are back in the race they need to prove they can score more than 20 points in a game that really matters. Yes they did beat the Packers and they played fairly well in that game, but that was one game. Just so everyone knows, the Bears receivers have yet to have a 100 yard receiving in a game this year. And we all know how good the running game is. They play Detroit this week and as bad as Detroit is sometimes they can score points. Even when the Eagles scored 52 against Detroit earlier this year the Lions still managed to score 21 points. Detroit averages 23.3 points a game. That is 10th is the NFL. The Bears average19.6 points a game. That is tied for 18th in the NFL. The Bears have only score 20 or more points in three games this year and won two of those games. Guess who the team was they lost to when they scores 27 points. The Lions!!! Remember this is the game that the awesome Bears defense allowed 34 points in the fourth quarter. So let's not get all excited until the Bears can prove they really can win when it counts. Because if they want to have any chance in winning the division they have to win this weekend. And if anyone is wondering, yes I am a Lions fan!!!! GO LIONS!!!!
OK Detroit fan, at least the Bears have BEEN to a Superbowl. The last time I remember the Lions doing anything decent was when Barry Sanders was still playing. Have fun with your rant, it don't mean a thing until Sunday.
That's fine and I am totally fine with the fact that the Lions suck. At least I know they suck. The Bears had one good year, why I can't explain, but it was only one good year. I hope for a good game this weekend. I love to watch the Bears and Lions play when they have good games. I really don't care who wins. I like watching football. If this game is anything like the first game, regardless who wins, I will enjoy it. I wasn't ranting. Just bringing everything into perspective for some delusional Bears fans that think the Bears might go back to the Super Bowl or even the playoffs this year.
It's all good, just jabbing back. You know how us Chicago fans can be. ;D
The playoffs are the best-case-scenario for them this year. With the D not being as impenetrable as years past, the Bears need to put up points to win, and there have been few times they've done it, like you said.
I think the Bears will be hungry to show the the Detroit loss was a fluke, but then again maybe they'll fold. At least it won't be Grossman at QB this time.
I know if it's decent enough to be outside throwing I'll be doing that vs. watching TV.
Correction. Griese was the quarterback last time. It was the first game he started this year for the Bears. He had 286 years 2 TD's and 3 INT's.
Doh! Shows how much I pay attention! Go Cubs!?! >:D
Quote from: DiscCrazy on October 24, 2007, 02:37:22 PM
Correction. Griese was the quarterback last time. It was the first game he started this year for the Bears. He had 286 years 2 TD's and 3 INT's.
Gotta get to this before Damon, but if Griese had 286 years, he'd be one heck of a QB. :o
Bears will crush Lions on Sunday
Kitna has had so many concussions that he predicted a Lions SuperBowl !
I think the Bears will get back to .500 this week if they can hold Kevin Jones under 100 yards.
By no means will the Bears crush anybody this year, let alone the Lions. When the defense allows an average of more than 20 points a game and over 100 yards of rushing a game it is tough to crush a team. Yes they might win, and not cover the spread, but they will not crush them. It should be a good game for both teams. Whoever the winner is I hope they both bet the Packers for the division. I can't see Green Bay beating Denver Monday night which will make the race that much closer, but it is the NFL and anything can happen. And another note to remember, even if the Bears win on Sunday, the Lions will still be ahead of them in the division.
hmm....
Quote from: Dan Michler on October 24, 2007, 05:51:18 PM
I think the Bears will get back to .500 this week if they can hold Kevin Jones under 100 yards.
wha?
Quote from: airspuds on October 24, 2007, 05:09:49 PM
Bears will crush Lions on Sunday
Kitna has had so many concussions that he predicted a Lions SuperBowl !
sorry guys. best start for the lions since 2000.
I give the Lions some credit. It's taken a while and they've had some busts but they have continued to go out and pick up offensive players. They have improved greatly. Now that the Bears are out of it i'm hoping they win the division.
The Super Bowl calibur defensive years are coming to an end. The Bears continued to ignore the offensive side of the ball and it's starting to come back and haunt them. It didn't help they gave away the better of the two RB's they had. Benson is a bust. He's had one 100yd game and has not had a run over 20 yards all year. The lack of being able to move the ball on the ground has killed us this year. Our defense has been on the field more than any team in the NFL this year.
We need an offensive line first. Then we need a RB. Then we need a QB. Then we need a good possession receiver to go with Berrian and Olsen. Then we need an offensive coordinator who wants to spread things out and get some first downs to keep the defense off the field. The NFL is a passing league and has been for several years now. Having a balanced offense makes things alot easier, but its tough to have a decent rushing game if you have no passing attack. I see teams every week though that give up on the run but throw the ball up and down the field successfully (see the patriots). We need to come up with a solid offseason strategy this year that focuses solely on building an offense quickly.
Quote from: Dan Michler on October 29, 2007, 03:30:22 PM
We need an offensive line first. Then we need a RB. Then we need a QB. Then we need a good possession receiver to go with Berrian and Olsen. Then we need an offensive coordinator who wants to spread things out and get some first downs to keep the defense off the field. The NFL is a passing league and has been for several years now. Having a balanced offense makes things alot easier, but its tough to have a decent rushing game if you have no passing attack. I see teams every week though that give up on the run but throw the ball up and down the field successfully (see the patriots). We need to come up with a solid offseason strategy this year that focuses solely on building an offense quickly.
I'm surprised that you like Berrian so much. I usually agree with most of what you've said about the Bears, but I think that Berrian has one strength; the fly pattern. We used to have a good possession receiver in Marty Booker. Muhammad was a good possession receiver with another good WR on the other side of the field. I don't think he has that right now.
I think both Berrian and Muhammad drop far too many passes for them to be considered even remotely effective receivers.
What do Bears fans and NBC have in common?
At the halfway point of the season they both have given up on the Bears.
NBC decided they didn't want the Seahawks and Bears, they decided to take the New England and Buffalo game instead. Just think how well the Bears would be doing if they still had Dick Jauron.
NBC would be crazy not to make that decision.
Nice to see Rex have to come in and step up. He played without making any major mistakes except maybe that first from center snap and he delivered the game winning pass. Go Bears!!!
Devin Hester, you are ridiculous!!!
http://www.suburbanchicagonews.com/newssun/news/667533,WA26hester.article
Quote from: Mukey on November 26, 2007, 10:09:20 AM
http://www.suburbanchicagonews.com/newssun/news/667533,WA26hester.article
McManus here's your chance to take out Hester :) He'll be in your own backyard!
our offense was absolutely ridiculous all day. denver was up 2 touchdowns which was undoubtedly more than enough to win the game. all you have to do is not have a turnover deep in your own territory, and not allow our special teams to score.............How does Denver F$@$ THAT UP!!!!!!! good times :) that game was a crowd pleaser for sure.
maybe with Mcnabb coming back the bears will play slightly better next year.
There's problems with pretty much all of the Bears game right now. Devin is one reason why they're still fun to watch. I imagine that if the Bears were any good, they'd be dominating. Other teams are spending a lot of practice time getting ready for Devin that it doesn't leave them as much time to practice against other aspects of the Bears' game. But since they don't really have that much game at this point I guess it doesn't matter.
It makes me wonder if part of their problem is confidence. I see them making good plays now and again but not anything consistently. That game tying touch down pass from Grossman to Barrien with 30 seconds left in regulation is the kind of highlight catch that you in weekend highlights from other teams with top notch QBs and receivers...not the Bears. If they could get the kind of confidence to play that way all the time maybe they could deliver some more wins this year.
That games was a highly entertaining game played by a team that showed it is going nowhere. Hester was [insert positive adjective here]. Berrien's catch to tie the game was excellent. However, he and the other receivers left Grossman out to dry most of the game. Grossman played much better than his statistics. He was sharp, made good decisions and only made one bad play- the fumble. His interception was on a play that called for him to let his receivver win a one on one battle. The receiver did a lousy job and the ball was picked. Grossman, despite an [insert negative adjective here] offensive line, moved well to give himself a chance to throw. He has played much better since his return from the bench. Nonetheless, this team has a million holes. Jerry Angelo will earn, or fail to earn, his salary this coming off season. He has a lot of work to do. All that being said, an overtime victory in front of the home faithful with clutch plays and heartstopping returns was a lot of fun to watch.
Quote from: Chainmeister on November 27, 2007, 09:55:35 AM
That games was a highly entertaining game played by a team that showed it is going nowhere. Hester was [insert positive adjective here]. Berrien's catch to tie the game was excellent. However, he and the other receivers left Grossman out to dry most of the game. Grossman played much better than his statistics. He was sharp, made good decisions and only made one bad play- the fumble. His interception was on a play that called for him to let his receivver win a one on one battle. The receiver did a lousy job and the ball was picked. Grossman, despite an [insert negative adjective here] offensive line, moved well to give himself a chance to throw. He has played much better since his return from the bench. Nonetheless, this team has a million holes. Jerry Angelo will earn, or fail to earn, his salary this coming off season. He has a lot of work to do. All that being said, an overtime victory in front of the home faithful with clutch plays and heartstopping returns was a lot of fun to watch.
Agreed. Grossman was uncharacteristically accurate and moved in the pocket better than I've ever seen. Those guys were dropping everything! Jerry Angelo needs to hire somebody to draft offensive players for him.
How come no "inciteful" analysis about the Bears play today?
i have stopped watching NFL games for 2007 and did not watch any of the game, but had I seen the game I would probably tell you that they Bears played as well as expected. Its hard to have good results when you have no good players.
Quote from: Tom McManus on December 02, 2007, 05:24:16 PM
How come no "inciteful" analysis about the Bears play today?
Rex and the rest of the Bears played pretty well in the first half. Then the Bears' coaching staff inexplicably went away from what was working and started trying to jack the ball 50 yards down field and basically stuck a fork in the Bears' offense. I'll watch all the Bears' games that I can until the season is over. I still think that they will finish at .500 but it has been a pretty disappointing season. Sweeping the Pack will feel good though!
Quote from: Tom McManus on December 02, 2007, 05:24:16 PM
How come no "inciteful" analysis about the Bears play today?
I was cooking most of the afternoon so I watched the entire game while chopping vegetables.
Well, there is no new insight We can cite all the same reasons as before. The team cannot run the ball. The offensive line does a poor job of protecting the quarterback and of making holes for the average (at best) running backs.
The receivers drop lots of balls. The defense is porous. They are easier to penetrate than an adult film star. The Giants played really lousy all day and still managed to win. The only insight that I have is that we can stop blaming the quarterback for the team's ills. He did more than enough to win the game. The kicker is awsome. His 43 yarder into the wind barely made it over the goal post but was hit like a bullet and straight as an arrow. He must have been using a wickedly overstable disc to fight that wind. :D
Looking at the box scores this morning it is pretty clear that the Cowboys, Packers, and perhaps the Vikings are the only teams worth watching in the NFC. All the rest of the teams are mediocre. None of them are any better than the Bears. Whichever of the pretenders makes a few plays or gets lucky will get into the playoffs so they can get killed the the aforementioned threesome.
I started watching the game while peeling tape off the Angry Cubs collection:
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It was sad. I enjoyed the Detroit game that was on before the Bears. That was hilarious.
Quote from: Chainmeister on December 03, 2007, 08:52:46 AM
I was cooking most of the afternoon so I watched the entire game while chopping vegetables.
You chopped vegetables for 3 and a half hours? That's a lot of chopped veggies!! The highlight of the game at my house was my spicy orange cheese dip and blue corn chips!
Quote from: Chainmeister on December 03, 2007, 08:52:46 AM
Quote from: Tom McManus on December 02, 2007, 05:24:16 PM
How come no "inciteful" analysis about the Bears play today?
I was cooking most of the afternoon so I watched the entire game while chopping vegetables.
Well, there is no new insight We can cite all the same reasons as before. The team cannot run the ball. The offensive line does a poor job of protecting the quarterback and of making holes for the average (at best) running backs.
The receivers drop lots of balls. The defense is porous. They are easier to penetrate than an adult film star. The Giants played really lousy all day and still managed to win. The only insight that I have is that we can stop blaming the quarterback for the team's ills. He did more than enough to win the game. The kicker is awsome. His 43 yarder into the wind barely made it over the goal post but was hit like a bullet and straight as an arrow. He must have been using a wickedly overstable disc to fight that wind. :D
Looking at the box scores this morning it is pretty clear that the Cowboys, Packers, and perhaps the Vikings are the only teams worth watching in the NFC. All the rest of the teams are mediocre. None of them are any better than the Bears. Whichever of the pretenders makes a few plays or gets lucky will get into the playoffs so they can get killed the the aforementioned threesome.
To incite: to move to action :
stir up : spur on : urge on
Dave, refer to Brett's comments on the Packers Cowboys game. I thought the quotes made it pretty clear.
Quote from: Tom McManus on December 03, 2007, 05:16:43 PM
Quote from: Chainmeister on December 03, 2007, 08:52:46 AM
Quote from: Tom McManus on December 02, 2007, 05:24:16 PM
How come no "inciteful" analysis about the Bears play today?
I was cooking most of the afternoon so I watched the entire game while chopping vegetables.
Well, there is no new insight We can cite all the same reasons as before. The team cannot run the ball. The offensive line does a poor job of protecting the quarterback and of making holes for the average (at best) running backs.
The receivers drop lots of balls. The defense is porous. They are easier to penetrate than an adult film star. The Giants played really lousy all day and still managed to win. The only insight that I have is that we can stop blaming the quarterback for the team's ills. He did more than enough to win the game. The kicker is awsome. His 43 yarder into the wind barely made it over the goal post but was hit like a bullet and straight as an arrow. He must have been using a wickedly overstable disc to fight that wind. :D
Looking at the box scores this morning it is pretty clear that the Cowboys, Packers, and perhaps the Vikings are the only teams worth watching in the NFC. All the rest of the teams are mediocre. None of them are any better than the Bears. Whichever of the pretenders makes a few plays or gets lucky will get into the playoffs so they can get killed the the aforementioned threesome.
To incite: to move to action : stir up : spur on : urge on
Dave, refer to Brett's comments on the Packers Cowboys game. I thought the quotes made it pretty clear.
Yeah, yeah, Tom. You were clear. It seemed that after the Bears lost a game the Giants desperately tried to give to them you were trying to incite the Bears fans with your insight in a season where the end (for us) is clearly in sight and the local fans have nothing to look forward to other than playing spoilers when the cheddar tribe comes to their site. ...ok enough... Regarding the comments on the Packer thread- anything sounds like whining coming from a Bears fan but it sure looked like the Packers got away from their game plan and paid for it. They looked awfully good on the first drive...hey Thursday's game sounds like Sundays game if you look at it that way. ;D
How did this Gumbel dude end up doing play by play for football? He should be announcing figure skating or something.
Quote from: Dan Michler on December 06, 2007, 05:13:18 PM
How did this Gumbel dude end up doing play by play for football? He should be announcing figure skating or something.
780AM beats the TV guys for most games. Someone needs to tell Griese that the bears are wearing the dark shirts today. :P
GO BEARS!!!!!!!!! :wav:
Quote from: discpro99 on December 07, 2007, 08:13:12 AM
GO BEARS!!!!!!!!! :wav:
Yes, go & lose. I hope the Bears start experimenting down the stretch and lose these last 3 games. Please draft some offensive players.
i think they should give orton a shot and see what he can do. what do they have to lose
meybe they need ultimate players fro recievers and sumo wrestlers for an OLine
Quote from: skipache on December 07, 2007, 09:10:33 AM
meybe they need ultimate players fro recievers and sumo wrestlers for an OLine
Whats a fro reviever O0?
The bad news is the Bears suck. The good news is I only have to watch 3 more games!
Only 4 more months til Opening Day and warmer weather for disc golf.
In the meantime..... :jerk: :jerk: :jerk: :jerk:
Quote from: discpro99 on December 07, 2007, 08:55:02 AM
i think they should give orton a shot and see what he can do. what do they have to lose
Maybe someone was listening... Orton to start on Monday vs. Minnesota. Now we can see if he should have been playing all season.