Safari Series 2003

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Jon Brakel (07-10-2003 10:44 p.m.):

The Brakels are offering to host a post safari/pre second round cook out for all those interested. I was thinking after we play the safari at Vollrath, we can see how many people are interested and pick up supplies on our way to the other course. Then I'll set up my portable grill at the other course.

I'm in, and can pop for some brats. (it *is* Sheboygan, after all..)



There's a picnic area at the park in Manitowoc (actually between the front 9 and back 9) that might even have grills. Availability is another question... ;)

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Jim (07-11-2003 08:54 a.m.):

I take it the "other course" is Manitowoc?

(sigh...) yes, Jim, this was brought up in message #295 of this thread...how could you have missed it?



Ya need a translation into Lithuanian or what??





;p

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Jon Brakel (07-11-2003 05:22 p.m.):

The Safari Ace Pool is at $47 plus whatever gets paid in at Vollrath. I'm about due for another ace, I think! ;)

Chances are excellent that somebody will finally collect this at that course tomorrow...just hope it's not Jon ;)

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Bruce (07-22-2003 09:16 a.m.):

There are long tees on 1, 4, 9, 10, 12, 13, 14, 15, 19, 23 and 24.  

There's a long tee for #1? Where?

Jon Brakel (07-22-2003 09:26 a.m.):

Also to not play the red cliff shot for the hole where the white tee is not a cliff shot is to miss out on a cool little hole.

....hey, I thought Bruce was the lawyer (and I thought I wrote convoluted sentences...)



You're talking about #4, right?

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Jon Brakel (07-22-2003 11:34 a.m.):

Damon, the long tee on hole #1 is behind the short tee. That's why they call it a long tee. :) But seriously, its about 50-75 feet behind the short tee, right next to the bench that has the sitting part about 4 feet off the ground (really high!).

...that's weird. I always thought that the one by the bench was the *only* tee for #1. Even playing the 'white' tees in a tournament a few yrs ago, that's the tee we shot from.

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Bruce (07-22-2003 08:02 p.m.):





Hole 1 has been Hole 1 in every configuration since the first time I played the course.  It has always had long and short tees.

I guess I'll figure it out the next time I go there, but I've never seen a 2nd tee on #1, always thought the 'high bench' was for both; never saw anyone tee off from anywhere else... ???



not that I'll lose any sleep over it... ;)

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Jay:



You got scorecards for Joliet? Remember it's 24 holes...



(the 27 for IL Champs included extra holes...)



and everyone's playing the longs, correct?

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I was one who suggested switching the May safari from Madison to Streamwood, back when it looked like Token Creek might not open in time. I also had a vested interest in that I knew I couldn't make it anyhow and really wanted to play that course, but I don't recall that there was a suggestion to move the date or time. (if I made one, I was wrong.) It turned out that TC was open and fine so the whole issue was moot. Still want to get over there sometime this year though.



There are always going to be conflicts with *something*, dg-related, personal or whatever. I think the lightest turnout was the 5 we had in Rockford on a gorgeous day with no other tournaments going on (I don't think) so figure that one.



1pm has struck me as a reasonable start time for all the reasons Jon mentioned. Unless it should happen that there's an event scheduled for the same course we're playing Safari on the same day, I feel strongly that we should just leave things alone, take your chances, make your choices, etc.

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We haven't had an argument, I mean, discussion about Safari for a couple of weeks so I figured I'd start one. (work is slow again today....)



There are 4 rounds left, and with the 'best 7 scores' rule (which I don't disagree with) there are still lots of possibilities for the final standings.  I've been wondering about the tie-breaking situations should any occur; the only thing I can find is an old post from Jim (also dug out by Brett a few weeks ago):

Jim (01-09-2003 09:27 a.m.):

At the end of any round of 18 and there is a tie, the two+ players tied will go back to Hole #1 and play full holes until the tie is broken.

If there is a tie at the end of the entire series, a 9-hole final playoff will be played from Bevier's 19-27 Holes one week after the December Safari date.

...that would be Saturday, December 20th. Is that really the agreed-upon rule? If so I'd say it's a rather yucky solution, but if it's 'official', so be it. (although tied individual rounds have actually been decided by CTP, so maybe things are still bendable.)  It could all be moot, but you never know, and I think that an eventual tie somewhere is fairly likely.



But if not, or in case it doesn't come up before discussions for next year's Safari (and before I forget, could Madison *not* be scheduled for May next year??), there are several other solutions I can think of:



"If there are any ties after 'best 7' scores, ties will be broken on:



Best 8 scores

Best 9 scores

etc. up to 12 scores



(...problem with this is that it 'violates the concept' of only having to show up 7 times to be in the running – but an extra playoff round a week later (right before Christmas, no less) violates that as well)



Total strokes for all 'common' rounds (i.e. courses that everyone involved in the tie played during the series)

Lowest single-round score for all 'common' rounds



Throw out single best/single worst finish of 'best 7'; if still tied, most # 10s, most 9s, etc.

Throw Jim into the pond at Bevier (or slide him across the ice).



That's enough, I guess. Discuss amongst yourselves... I suppose I should get back to work.

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I used to play a lot of competitive chess, and when I started playing disc golf it was pretty amusing to discover that I was already a Master, and now I'm gonna be a Grandmaster...



I beat a few 'Experts' and drew a couple of 'Masters' but pretty much gave it up because there were too many weird people. Weirder than musicians; even weirder than most disc golfers...

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CE-Valkyrie (08-29-2003 03:57 p.m.):

Damon,

     You bring up some very valid points. I'm not exactly sure what rules will be used. I posted very early about getting rules for the Safari set.

anyone else have any ideas? I'm probably not going to be able to make the next meeting to discuss any of this, but I think this should get resolved sooner rather than later...

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The problem I have with a playoff is that it adds an additional obligation to show up at a terrible time of year when one of the original concepts of the Safari was that your score is based on 7 rounds out of 12 'set-in-stone' dates. There seems to be enough ways to break ties from the rounds actually played during the year without adding an additional round at a course we've already played, even if it is the home course.

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Bruce_Brakel (09-02-2003 09:36 a.m.):

First, I must agree that Jim's rules were perfect, unassailable, and inspired.  They just don't work for me!  :D



Why not do some kind of playoff right then and there, whereever then and there is for the December event?   [Checking .... Lipold Park.]  I could possibly finish tied with Brett, Jon or Shawn, I think, under various scenarios of differing degrees of plausibility.  I'd rather not make the drive back a week later.  



Bruce's proposal:  A three hole playoff round beginning at Hole 1, Lippold Park, 30 minutes after last card is submitted, for all tied spots receiving prizes.  If any ties remain unbroken after three holes, proceed to sudden death commencing on Hole 4 until tie is broken.

That'd be fine, except if one of the players involved in the tie doesn't happen to be at Crystal Lake that day. ;)



The 'total strokes from courses that everyone played' tie-breaker strikes me as the fairest; it rewards consistency at any rate.

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Jon Brakel (09-02-2003 11:31 a.m.):

If its going to be a playoff, it needs to be right then on the day of the last event. People just need to know in advance that if they are in a contention situation, they should show up for the last event, or risk losing the playoff by a no show.

but that puts undue importance on the last round, imo. If for whatever reason somebody would be in a tie and can't make it out to Crystal Lake in the middle of Dec it doesn't seem fair to penalize him after making the minimum 7 rounds. I'm just suggesting ways to break ties based on actual performance through the year.

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Bruce, the ideas you put forth in that post from June or whatever sounded pretty good...

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Steve (09-03-2003 02:00 p.m.):

 The scores at 24-hole Anna Page Park in Rockford shouldn't be compared to the scores at 18-hole Parkside in Kenosha for obvious reasons (for those of you that missed them, the reason is one park has 6 more holes than the other...).  

I think you mean Joliet... Rockford only *seemed* like it was a 24-hole course... ;)



although if you're counting total strokes for common courses it wouldn't matter, since 'everybody' has played the same courses and, ergo (koff koff) the same # of holes.  Um, that's why they're called 'common rounds'.



Speaking of Kenosha (I wasn't, but you did), when are they moving the baskets to a 'normal' position?

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Steve (09-03-2003 02:13 p.m.):

Damon (09-03-2003 02:12 p.m.):

Speaking of Kenosha (I wasn't, but you did), when are they moving the baskets to a 'normal' position?

Ask and ye shall receive!  Looks like everything except hole 18 was moved back to a more 'normal' setting.  Except 11 & 16, which some masochist moved into the long positions.  :)

#11, way down and left? #16, way down and right?



Hee hee hee.....



Last I heard Jay said we'd all be playing longs, but he's not much for official announcements or website updates these days.... ;)

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what's the parking situation there on weekends these days?

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Bruce (09-03-2003 06:04 p.m.):

Jay:  Check your e-mail

If this is similar to Bruce's post #290 in this thread, I think it's a great set of ideas for next year.



I think the Safari is a very cool concept, but the way it's set up now, there's not a lot of incentive to show up by this point if you're not 'in the hunt', and conversely it's rather anti-competitive to be able to pick up 7-10 pts just for showing up (like I've done ;) )



The stuff Bruce suggests in that earlier post solves a lot of these problems, at least theoretically.

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Bruce (09-04-2003 07:57 a.m.):

How about super ultra long number 8, where you back up the tee all the way to Bevier #8?

Hmm...that'd be south of the basket at Parkside, whereas the existing tees are north. There are some trees to the south of the basket that would cause a problem if the tee was in Waukegan.